1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 71

 

SURAH 71: NUH (Noah)

(Mecca, 621 - 622 AD)

 

001  "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 71/1a: "We (Allah*) sent Noah - - -". Contradicted by the Bible: According to the Bible this was done by Yahweh, not by Allah. Also see 67/9c above - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

003 71/1-20: Like Muhammad at this time (621 - 622 AD), Noah (and other claimed prophets Muhammad told about) had limited success - just like Muhammad. "Ergo" Muhammad was a normal prophet with normal problems. True? More or less all claimed and real prophets in the Quran were parallels to Muhammad at the time when the different surahs were told - just read the Quran with open eyes, and you will see this. We may add that even though the story roughly follows the Bible, the details are very different. As they are not from the Bible and not from a god - no book with so much wrong like the Quran is from any god - where did Muhammad get them from?

004 71/3a: "- - - worship Allah - - -". Contradicted by the Bible, which says the god of Noah was Yahweh, not Allah.

005 71/3b: "- - - fear Him (Allah*) and obey me (Noah*) - - -". This was one of Muhammad's demands, and then it was good psychology that other claimed prophets said the same - in the Quran even Jesus said this according to Muhammad, even though Jesus just said "follow me", not "obey me" - something very different - according to NT. One more indication for that those two were not in the same religion. Also see 71/1-20 above.

006 71/4a: "So He (Allah*) may forgive - - -". There only are 2 who can forgive: The victim and a god. This thus only can be true if Allah exists and in addition is a god (not f.x. something from dark forces pretending to be a god, like parts of the Quran and parts of its moral code may indicate).

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

007 71/4b:: "- - - sins - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. We also may mention that just this word often covers very different deeds, acts, words, and thoughts in the Quran and Islam, than in more normal religions (Islam is a religion of war - in spite of its loud slogans), not to mention how much its meaning in the Quran often differs from the basic of all human moral; "do against others like you want others do against you". Read the surahs from Medina and weep.

One small remark: As Yahweh's religion and f.x. moral code at many points are totally different from Allah's, you may qualify for Yahweh's Paradise even if Muslims condemn you to Hell - if both exist. One more of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

008 71/4c: "- - - for a stated Term - - -". = For the term Allah has predestined.

Full predestination does not exist in the Bible. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. If they had been, such a central point as this had been the same from the two.

009 71/4d: "- - - when the Term given by God (here Allah*) is accomplished, it cannot be put forward". When Allah has predestined something and made it part of his Plan, nothing and nobody can change it - what Allah has predestined, cannot be changed. (Then why f.x. prayers, as nothing can change his predestinations according to the Quran?)

010 #71/6: “- - - (the non-Muslim’s*) flight (from the Right (Islam*)).” Can a religion building on (a book similar to) the Quran with all its mistakes, contradictions, etc., be the right one? See 13/1g and 40/75. There is good reason for doubt. And if Islam is a made up religion like so many others - what then with all Muslims if there exists another religion which is right and there is a next world? - - - and they are blocked from looking for it.

If not Islam proves differently, all the errors, etc. in the Quran prove that Islam is not a right religion - too much is wrong.

011 71/7a: "- - - that Thou (Allah*) mightest forgive them (non-Muslims*) - - -". There only are 2 who can forgive - the victim and a god. Then this is wrong unless Allah exists and is a god. Remember here that it is no sin to doubt Allah the god, if he is no god.) 

012 71/7c: (YA5710): “- - - (non-Muslims*) cover themselves up with their garments - - -.” But is it literally or figuratively meant here? – vanities, evil habits, customs, traditions, and their ephemeral interests and standards? It is anybody’s guess.

013 71/10a: "Ask forgiveness from your (peoples'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". See 71/4a above.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

014 71/10b: "- - - He (Allah*) is Oft-Forgiving". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, and the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands, introduced rules and deeds, we always believe in the demands, introduced rules and deeds - words are too cheap to use and disuse.

015 Also Allah cannot forgive anyone unless he exists and is a god.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran is something nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

016 71/11: "He (Allah*) will send rain to you in abundance - - -". See 11/7a above - plus this is one of the Arabisms in the Quran - only in dry countries rain is a top favor.

017 71/13a: "What is the matter with you (non-Muslims*), that ye place not your hope for kindness and long-suffering in Allah - - -". The matter is that we do not believe Allah exists, and if he exists, he at least is no god - the errors, etc. in the Quran proves 100% or more that something is seriously wrong with the Quran, with Muhammad and hence with Islam. The people of Noah may have understood the same if Noah preached Islam. (Something which is contradicted by the bible, For one thing the Bible does not tell about Noah as a man trying to be a missionary for his religion. For another all these details are not from the Bible at all - from where are they as they are not from a god (no god was ever involved in a book of a quality similar to the Quran)? And for a third: According to the Bible Noah's god was Yahweh, not Allah.

018 71/13c: "What is the matter with you (non-Muslims*), that ye place not your hope for kindness and long-suffering in Allah - - -". Read 1/1a above and see what hopes there in reality are for kindness - perhaps with the exception of the possibility of becoming rich by stealing from others or by destroying their lives. That is what is the matter with us.

019 71/14a: "Seeing that it is He (Allah*) who has created you - - -". I do not see that - not without very strong proofs. This is typical technique from Muhammad: Pretending that a starting point (here that Allah has created) is true and proved, and then making deductions from that. But as long as the starting point is not proved, it has nothing to do with logical deduction - but such technique often is used by cheaters, swindlers, charlatans, deceivers, etc. to cheat people. And you frequently meet this technique also from Islam and from Muslims.

020 71/14b: "- - - He (Allah*) who has created you in diverse stages". This is old Greek and perhaps Persian zoology and physiology - f.x. the great Greek thinker Galen thought a fetus was made in stages, and this - as you see from this verse in the Quran - was what was correct science in Arabia, too, at the time of Muhammad. Any god had known that the making of a fetus is a continual process.

###021 71/15a: “- - - Allah has created the seven heavens one above another - - -”. Wrong - it hardly is possible to be more wrong as there are no 7 heavens. But you find these claims about 7 heavens/firmaments/tracts in 2/29d+e, 17/44a, 23/17a, 23/86a, 41/12a+b, 65/12a, 67/3a+b and 71/15a+b - all together the Quran mentions "heavens" in plural at least 199 times; there is no doubt the Quran means there are 7 heavens (and as the stars are fastened to the lowermost of them - f.x. 67/5a - they have to be material ones - if not the stars could not be fastened to it). In 67/3 you also are told they are places one above the other, which means they of course are built successively higher above the Earth - which also is clear from most places in the Quran where the place of the heavens are indicated. Some modern Muslims try to place the heavens in space, deep space included. But among others 67/3 prohibits this, as "up" and "down" ("one above the other") has no meaning as part of the real space. Besides: How to live and breathe in space? - no air, no shady clouds, zero gravitation, etc., etc.

By the way: 65/12b also claims there are 7 Earths, and gives their names according to Islam. Also see 67/5d above.

022 71/15b: "- - - seven heavens - - -". There are no 7 heavens - - - but the claim is in accordance with the wrong Greek and Persian astronomy one believed in at that time - a fact no Muslim ever mention. (One observed 7 movements on the firmament - the stars, the sun and the moon, plus Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (the other planets were not visible to the naked eye) - and thus needed 7 invisible heavens to fasten them to, to explain why they did not fall down on Earth. Any - any - god had known better. Then who made the Quran?

023 71/15-16a: “- - - Allah has created the seven (material - see the Mega Mistakes*) heavens, one above the other - - -.” It is not possible to be more wrong. Who above 3. grade primary school needs a comment here? 7 (material) heavens and the moon in between them somewhere (and remember the stars are fixed to the lowest heaven (37/6-7, 41/12), so they are below the moon!) We do not bother to comment this. But also see 67/5d above.

024 71/15-16b: “- - - Allah has created the seven (material- see the Mega Mistakes in our Book A*) heavens, one above the other, and made the moon a light in their midst - - -.” The moon is in between them somewhere (and remember the stars are fixed to the lowest heaven, so they are below the moon!)!! We do not bother to comment this - except that the moon is not behind and beyond the stars. If the Moon (Luna) had been beyond even the nearest star, we hardly had been able to see it even in a space telescope. Not to mention what had happened if a star had been between us and Luna where it is now!

025 71/16a: “And made the moon a lamp in their (the heavens’) midst - - -.” The moon is not in the midst of the 7 heavens (= somewhere among the stars or actually above them, as the stars are fastened to the lowest heaven (37/6-7, 41/12)) of Muhammad. Any even baby god had known better, Muhammad not. Who made the Quran?

026 71/17a: "- - - Allah has produced you - - -". See 11/7a above. Also not possible unless Allah exists and is a god.

027 71/17b: "- - - Allah has produced you from the earth - - -". Wrong. See 6/2b above. (Though perhaps it here is meant that you have grown because you have eaten food grown on the earth. Unclear.)

028 71/18b: "- - - and raise you forth (again at the Resurrection)". Again this interesting claim, as neither Muhammad nor Allah ever was able to prove Allah’s power of resurrection - and also nothing else of any consequence. Whereas if the old books tell the truth on that point, Yahweh proved he had such power several times.

##029 71/19: “And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread) out.” The Quran describes the Earth flat - may be round like a disc, but flat. Wrong. (Similar description in 15/19, 20/53, 43/10, 79/30, 88/70). Actually it is nowhere directly said that the Earth is flat - it was such a matter-of-course that there was no reason for mentioning it. But everything the Earth is compared to in the Quran, is flat.

##030 71/21b: (YA5719-A): "Sinners always resent it as a reproach, that righteous men (!) should speak to them in their own good". Like Muslims resenting being told for their own good about the mistakes in the Quran?

031 71/21-28: This is not from the Bible. As it also is not from any god (no god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran), from where did Muhammad get it? (The only alternatives are: Dark forces, a sickness (TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy - like modern medical science suspects?), or a cold brain (Muhammad?).)

032 71/23b: "Wadd - - - Suwa' - - - Yaghuth - - - Ya'uq - - -Nasr - - -". 5 gods which were cherished in Arabia at the time of Muhammad. But Muhammad claimed these gods were cherished by Noah's people somewhere in southern Mesopotamia (now southern Iraq) 2500 years earlier. What were the chances those people had the same gods as in Arabia some 100 generations later? Muslims of course say these gods were imported from Mesopotamia and were are-old - but there exist no documentation for this at all; just one more of Islam's many not proved claims. Worse: Science believes they were imported from Syria, so they in case must have made a long detour + that in the old times when there were no books to make ideas permanent, gods slowly changed over the generations - they were not the same through 2500 years. (Just compare to all the chances the god Il went through: First he was the main god Il somewhere in the east (perhaps in south Mesopotamia where one also believes Noah lived - if he is not fiction). Then in Arabia he slowly became the moon god al-Ilah, at least in the southern part. Then he developed into the main god of Arabia, al-Lah and got lots of daughters - angels and goddesses. Then his name drifted towards Allah, but still a pagan main god. And finally Muhammad dressed him up to become the monotheistic god Allah. He also may have been represented by a statue named Hubal, bought further north, for some centuries. (But unless everything in the Quran is true, included the never proved claim that the book is from a god, Allah still is a pagan, made up god.)

Wrong unless Islam proves - proves, not claims - differently.

033 71/24b: "- - - Wrongdoers - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

034 71/25a: "- - - sins - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. We also may mention that just this word often covers very different deeds, acts, words, and thoughts in the Quran and Islam, than in more normal religions (Islam is a religion of war - in spite of its loud slogans), not to mention how much its meaning in the Quran often differs from the basic of all human moral; "do against others like you want others do against you". Read the surahs from Medina and weep.

One small remark: As Yahweh's religion and f.x. moral code at many points are totally different from Allah's, you may qualify for Yahweh's Paradise even if Muslims condemn you to Hell - if both exist. One more of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

035 71/25b: "- - - the Fire (of Punishment) - - -". Hell.

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical.

036 71/25c: "- - - in lieu of Allah - - -". This sentence is invalid unless Allah exists and is a god.

037 71/26b: Noah prayed: "Leave not of the Unbelievers a single one on earth". Here is something wrong, for according to the Quran one of his sons were non-Muslim (in the Quran Noah is a good Muslim), and Noah also prayed for his salvation from the water - in vain though. These two prayers contradict each other. (This part of the story is not from the Bible, and is not in accordance with the Bible - there all his 3 sons entered the Ark and were safe).

038 71/27: "- - - Thy (Allah's*) devotees - - -". According to the Quran, Noah was a good Muslim. Contradicted by the Bible: According to the Bible his god was Yahweh. Also see 67/9c above - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

039 71/28a: "(Allah*). Forgive - - -". See 71/7a above.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

040 71/28d: According to Muhammad and the Quran, Noah prayed: "- - - to the Wrongdoers grant Thou (claimed to be Allah*) no increase but in perdition". This is claimed to be in a message from Allah. Compare this to NY - f.x. "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the lost sheep" (Matt.18/12-14), "the lost son" (Luke 15/11-31), "the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8/13) - and you have one more 100% for that Yahweh and Allah were not the same god, and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion or line of the moral rules.

041 71/28f: "- - - Wrongdoers - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

8625 + 41 = 8666 remarks.

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Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".


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