1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 64


SURAH 64: At-Taghabun (The Mutual Loss and Gain)

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001  "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 64/1a: “Whatever is in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth, doth declare the praise and glory of Allah - - -”. No. 62/1a above is cemented. Besides: It is said "whatever", not "whoever" = animism and/or anthropomorphism. (You meet this some places in the Quran. Animism and anthropomorphism you normally meet in primitive religions and in fairy tales.)

003 64/1c: "- - - to Him (Allah*) belongs Praises and Glory - - -". See 1/1a and see if you agree.

##004 64/1e: (A64/1): "- - - all human beings are endowed with the instinctive ability to perceive the existence of the Creator - - -". This is so stupid a claim that it is not even wrong - it is plain imbecility. It also is totally un-scientific - no scientist has till this day found even traces of such an ability. It is a pure al-Taqiyya (lawful lie - something you only find in Islam of the big religions), likely dictated by the fact that Islam has not one single valid proof for its god (lots and lots of claims, but not one real proof - and the word of a man like Muhammad is not much worth), and they are groping for handholds where they can - if you go looking, you will find a number of such invalid claims about indications for a god in Islamic literature. There is a drive or a need for something strong - a god - in a minor part of humanity (may be 5 - 10% of the population). But no-one - included science and included Islam - have ever found even traces of an ability in man to perceive a god.

It also is a fact that small children easily accept the claim that there is religion behind reality - but any religion, not a special one or a special god. But that is it.

Islam has not one single proof for Allah. But they feel the need for one, and use many "clever" ways to try to find something. One recurring claim is this that human instincts can feel/perceive/have knowledge about the god. This is one of the cases.

The only two things such wishful thinking proves, is that Muslims feel the need for proofs for their claimed god very strongly - so strongly that they forget to use their brain. And that they have no such proof - if they had, they would use that proof instead of using more or less occultism and wishful dreams for "arguments".

005 64/1f: "- - - He (Allah*) has power over all things". At least he during 1400 years has never one single time unmistakably shown that power.

006 64/2a: “- - - it is He (Allah*) Who has created you - - -”. According to science man was not created, but evolved from an earlier primate. At least man cannot have been created in any of the 13 different ways in which the Quran tells the single person Adam was created - see 6/2 + 38/75 + 55/3 and more. Finally: Islam and the Quran only offers a claim that any religion and any person can make for any god they like, as long as they have to prove nothing. Lose claims without proofs can be the basis for belief - even for strong belief - but they are without value as basis for knowledge, as long as they are not proved. This especially is so as it is an extremely serious matter if there really is a god somewhere, and this god is not Allah. If the god is not Allah, and at the same time Muslims have been denied the possibility to search for this possible god, by blind belief forced on them by unproved claims anyone can use free of charge about their imagining god(s) and by glorification of blind belief - well, then they are in for a rude waking up if there is a next life.

007 64/2d: "- - - Allah sees well all that ye do". If he exists and is something supernatural. Also see 2/233h above.

008 64/3a: “He (Allah*) has created heavens (plural and wrong*) and earth in just proportions”. Often claimed, never proved. Besides: Did he just say that what nature had made, were the just proportions? Also see 11/7a above.

009 64/3c: "- - - to Him (Allah*) is the final goal (at the Day of Doom*)". Often claimed, never proved - one of the many claims in the Quran any believer in any religion can make on behalf of his/her god(s) free of charge, as long as all requests for proofs can be evaded, like Muhammad did.

010 64/4a: “He (Allah*) knows what is in the heavens (plural and wrong) and on earth - - -”. According to the Quran, he knows only parts of it - too much is wrong. See f.x. 40/75 - and 2/233h above.

011 64/4c: "- - - Allah knows well the (secrets) of (all) hearts". Why then does he have to test his followers - f.x. by sending them into war to kill fellow human beings or be killed or mutilated (an alternative the Quran never mention), even though he claims to be a benevolent and good god?. Something is wrong also here.

012 64/4d: "- - - Allah knows well the (secrets) of (all) hearts". If he exists and is something supernatural.

013 64/5c: "- - - a grievous Penalty". See 3/77b above.

014 64/5d: (A64/4): "This ('evil results of their conduct') is an allusion to the disasters and the suffering which, as history shows, inevitably befalls on every community or nation bent on rejecting the basic ethical truths and, thus, all standards of morality". A comment which sounds ironic from a religion and a culture which has no ethical philosophy and no moral philosophy (only the question: "What did Muhammad say or do in a similar situation?"). Not to mention: One of the few religions rejecting the standard basic ethical and moral basic rule: "Do to others like you want others do to you".

015 64/6b: “- - - Clear Signs - - -“. There never was a clear sign for Allah. See 2/39b or 2/99 above.

016 64/6d: "- - - (the Message) - - -". Islam - based on copies of the claimed "Mother Book" in heaven, copies similar to the Quran claimed sent down in the past to all claimed prophets and messengers preaching Islam for Allah in the past. Neither science nor Islam has found a single trace from them. Believe in them if you are able to.

017 64/6e: "- - - Allah is - - - worthy of all praise". Read 1/1a and see if you agree.

##018 64/7b: “The Unbelievers think that they will not be raised up (after this life*)”. Wrong. Islam wants to be a religion for the entire world, and most religions it met and meets have a second life. But what was difficult for the old Arabs - and others - to accept, was that Muhammad told that not only your soul - or something similar - was to be resurrected, but your complete and exact body and mental self, except that you are to be resurrected as a young and good-looking person - there is said nothing about people born with mental or physical handicaps, or babies/children in this connection. (There is one inconsistency, though: 2-3 places the Quran tells that your women in Paradise will be of “suitable age” - f.x. 78/33. Why? - if everyone will be young and then of roughly the same age?) If bodily resurrection is believable or not, anyone will have to decide for himself or herself.

We should mention, though, that the old Pagan Arabs did not pay much attention to a possible next life. But if that is what Muhammad here meant, that is an Arabism, because this was a rarity except among the old Arabs.

019 64/7f: "- - - (the truth) - - -". See 13/1g and 40/75 above.

020 64/7g: "And that is easy for Allah". Only if he really exists and has such power.

021 64/8a: “Believe, therefore, in Allah and His Messenger - - -". As for believing: See all the mistakes, contradictions, invalid claims/logic, etc. – not to mention highly immoral laws that are not made by any benevolent god. Believable?

But was Muhammad really a messenger? - there only is his word for it, and the Quran proves that he far from was a reliable person + with strong motifs for using also dishonesty.

022 64/8c: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad's standard Mantra for gluing himself to his source of power; his god. Here the mantra is strengthened by the two words in front of it: "Believe - - - in - - -".

023 64/8g: "- - - the Light (the Quran*) which We (Allah*) have sent down". No omniscient, benevolent god ever sent down a book of a quality like the Quran.

024 64/8i: "And Allah is well acquainted with all that ye (people*) do". The old warning: Be a good and obedient Muslim or else - - -. But the threat/promise only is valid if Allah exists and is something supernatural.

025 64/8j: "And Allah is well acquainted with all that ye (people*) do". See 2/233h and 64/4c above.

026 64/9e: "- - - righteousness - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

027 64/9f: "- - - He (Allah*) will remove from them (Muslims bound for Paradise*) their ills, and He will admit them to Gardens beneath which rivers flow - - -". If he exists, if he is benevolent, and if he has the power.

028 64/9i: "- - - to Dwell therein forever - - -". Verse 11/108c may indicate that it is not quite forever (and f.x. 6/128c and 11/107b, 43/74c, 51/13c, and 78/23 may indicate that also Hell may not be forever, at least not for Muslims. Islam is a little perplexed over theses verses).

029 64/9j: "- - - that (Paradise*) will be a Supreme Achievement". Certainly - if this is not one of the many, many mistakes in the Quran - or one of the sporadic lies in the book.

030 64/10d: "- - - falsehood (and not falsehood*) - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like these, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code and its own partly twisted reality.

031 64/10e: "- - - those who reject Faith - - - will be the companions of the Fire". Often claimed, but never proved. It also only can be correct if Allah exists and in addition is a god - not f.x. something from the dark powers pretending to be a god. For this claim to be correct, it also is necessary that the non-Muslims do not believe in another, real god, f.x. Yahweh - a god who according to both the Bible and the Quran has proved both his existence and his power (though the Quran wrongly mixes him with Yahweh). Allah on the other hand has never been able to prove anything about himself.

032 64/10f: “- - - Our (Allah’s) Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39 above.

033 64/10i: "- - - to dwell therein (Hell*) for aye - - -". But 6/128c, 11/107b, 43/74c, 51/13c, and 78/23 all indicate that may be Hell is not quite forever - at least not for Muslims. (And 11/108c indicates the same for Paradise). Islam is not quite happy over these verses, at least not about 11/108c.

034 64/11a: "No kind of calamity can occur, except by the leave of Allah - - -". Allah decides and predestines everything.

035 64/11c: "- - - (Allah) guides - - -". If he guides according to the Quran, he is no good guide - too much is wrong and parts of the moral code are horrible (compare it to "do to others like you want others do to you" and weep - or laugh at Islam's claim of being the pinnacle of good moral).

036 64/11d: "- - - for Allah knows everything". The ever recurring question: If he knows everything, why - why - then does he have to test his followers, f.x. in war? There exists no logic in it, as he can learn exactly nothing from it - - - not unless the claims about test in reality is Muhammad's excuse and explaining away his own need for warriors for raids and wars for riches (for attracting more followers like explained in the Quran) and power.

037 64/12b: "- - - his (Allah's*) Messenger - - -". Something is wrong. See 63/5a above.

038 64/13a: "There is no god but He (Allah*) - - -". Even if we omit all other claimed gods, we are back to the problem with Yahweh, whom the Quran admits exists (though it wrongly mixes him up with Allah), as it is clear the Islamic claim that the two are the same god, is wrong. A disturbing fact here: Allah has never proved neither his power, nor his existence anywhere. But if either the Quran or the Bible tells the truth, Yahweh has proved both several times. Thought provoking? Yes, especially if Allah is a made up god. Also see 2/255a and 25/18a above.

039 64/13c: "- - - on Allah - - - let the Believers put their trust". A good idea if Allah exists and is a benevolent god. A bad idea if he exists, but is something dark pretending to be a god - the blood thirst, the belief in dishonesty, parts of the moral, ethical and judicial codes, etc. may indicate this in case. And also a bad idea if Allah is a made up god.

040 64/14b: "Truly - - -". Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim. See f.x. 2/2b and 61/4a above.

041 64/14c: "- - - verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See f.x. 2/2b and 61/4a above.

042 64/14d: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive exactly nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

043 64/14e: "- - - Allah is - - - Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, and the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we always believe in the demands and deeds - words are too cheap to use and disuse, reality is more reliable.

044 64/15a: "Your riches and your children (children are the second kind of riches in Islam, therefore so many children*) may be but a trial - - -". But why does the omniscient god Allah, whom the Quran time and again and again claims knows everything, need to try his followers? - where is the logic? - - - if it was not Muhammad who wanted warriors and needed "explanations"? - in that case everything fits neatly. 

045 64/15b: "- - - in the Presence of Allah, is the highest Reward". This may be right if Allah exists and is a benevolent god. It is wrong if Allah exists, but is something dark pretending to be a god - many points in the Quran may indicate this. And it is wrong if Allah does not exist - lots of points in the Quran may indicate this, as they make it clear that the Quran is not from a god. Not to forget how wrong it is if Allah does not exist, but there somewhere is a real god Muslims have been prohibited to look for (and the pinnacle will be if that prohibition is placed there by a religion made up by dark forces).

##046 64/16a: "- - - fear Allah - - -". Why? - unless he exists and is something supernatural? Nothing of which has ever been proved. Not one single time has Allah manifested himself or done anything which clearly is his work. There only is the tales of a man with provable (in f.x. the Quran) dubious moral, a man who provably (f.x. in the Quran) believed in the use of dishonesty and even broken oaths, a man who liked (easy to see f.x. in the Quran) respect, power, riches for more power, and women, and a man who used (easy to see f.x. in the Quran) his god and religion as his platform of power - like many a self proclaimed "prophet" have done throughout the times, and do even today, and not to forget: A man who provably made at least a few lies even in the Quran (f.x. that real proofs for Allah/miracles would make nobody believe).

047 64/17b: “If you loan to Allah, a beautiful loan, He will double it to your (credit), and he will grant you Forgiveness - - -“. Very similar thinking to the worst medieval excesses made by the Roman Catholic Church once upon a time. But good slogans for recruiting warriors – and gaining money via dishonest means (stealing/looting, extortion, slave taking/trading).

######There is a lot more like this - much of it just with other words. Add this to all the other pep talk for warriors in the Quran, and you get something that should never be forgotten - not even by USA.

And of course there is the problem of never knowing who the few are who will turn terrorists, and the not few who are willing to help them - with money at least. The 5. column. Some 30% of Muslims at least have sympathy for or “understands why” terrorists are at work, international polls show - more and much more in some places.

And all the same: Never forget that the majority of Muslims absolutely do not want anything but peace and a quiet family life. The ideology of hate and war and suppression is detestable, but not so all the ones of them who are normal people.

It is too late to keep Islam at a distance - too many have emigrated to the west. The absolute majority have moved vest for economical reasons, but for Muslims to move into “enemy” territory and then later to try to take control, is a strategy of war frequently advocated in the Quran. That f.x. was what happened in Indonesia. Besides a scattered few may move west because of or partly because of that ideology - but then it only takes a few to wreak havoc. May be one should not make the problem bigger until we see how the ones already here will develop - how the integration and the culture will develop. Though Paris and other places may be sinister warnings.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

048 64/17d: "- - - He will grant you (Muslims*) Forgiveness - - -". There only are two who can forgive: The victim and a god. Is Allah a god - - - if he exists?

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran is something nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

049 64/17e: "- - - Allah is Most Ready to appreciate (service)". Once more: Only if he exists and is something supernatural - white or dark.

050 64/17f: "- - - Allah is - - - Most Forbearing - - -". One of the oh so many not proved claims in the Quran.

051 64/18c: "(Allah is) exalted in Might - - -" - - - which he in case has never unmistakably showed in 1400 years.

052 64/18d: "(Allah is) Full of Wisdom". Wrong if he made the Quran.

8317 + 52 = 8369 remarks.


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