1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 58

 

SURAH 58: AL-MUJADILAH (The Pleading)

(Medina, Late 627 or early 628 AD)

 

001  "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 58/1e: "- - - (prayer) - - -". What is the idea with prayer in Islam? If Allah has predestined everything long time ago, and according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change, like the Quran states many places, also prayers can change not a thing.

003 58/2b: "- - - truly - - -". Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim. See 2/2b above.

When used in the Quran words like "true", "truth", "truly", "sure" "surety", "surely", "verity", "verily", etc. are claims, not proved facts. Also see 2/2b + 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones - and as for contradictions to the Bible also 40/20b. Also the latter half of the comments to 41/39a is very relevant. These and similar words cannot be taken at face value unless they are proved.

004 58/2c: "- - - truly Allah is the one who blots out (sins) - - -". This he only can do if he exists and if he is a god. Ant if he is able to change his Plan concerning you.

005 58/2d: "- - - (sin) - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. We also may mention that just this word often covers very different deeds, acts, words, and thoughts in the Quran and Islam, than in more normal religions (Islam is a religion of war - in spite of its loud slogans), not to mention how much its meaning in the Quran often differs from the basic of all human moral; "do against others like you want others do against you". Read the surahs from Medina and weep.

One small remark: As Yahweh's religion and f.x. moral code at many points are totally different from Allah's, you may qualify for Yahweh's Paradise even if Muslims condemn you to Hell - if both exist. One more of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

006 58/2e: "- - - Allah - - - forgives (again and again)". There only are 2 who can forgive; the victim and a god. Thus Allah only can forgive if he exists, and he only can forgive sins not against himself if he in addition is a god - none of which is proved. There only are undocumented claims from a man of doubtful ethics and moral, and a man benefiting much from making others believe in his new religion.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

007 58/3b: "- - - Allah is well acquainted with (all) that ye (people*) do". See 2/233h above.

008 58/4e: "Those are the limits (set by) Allah". As the Quran is not from any god, included the claimed Allah, Allah has not sent these limits, unless extra proofs are produced for this. Who in reality made these limits?

009 58/5b: "Those who resist Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) will be humbled to dust - - -". This only could come true if Allah exists, and in that case he had power to humble people all over the world in his name. Or Muhammad could rise to enough power to humble people in the name of his god, but then only in the area where he gained power. History has shown that people only were humbled - or killed - in the areas where Muhammad and his followers gained power or at least some power.

010 58/5c: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad's standard but never proved mantra for gluing himself to his god and his power.

011 58/5d: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 63/5a below.

012 58/5f: "- - - We (Allah*) have already sent down Clear Signs". In case here is meant the Quran - the language in the Quran is not always quite clear: No god ever sent down a book with that many errors. Actually it is an insult and heresy and slander of a god even to claim so.

013 58/5g: “- - - Clear Signs - - -.” See 2/39b and 2/99 above.

014 58/6b: "On that Day Allah will raise them (the dead*) all up (again) - - -. Contradicted by the Bible, which claims this will be done by Yahweh, not by Allah. Also see 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

015 58/6c: "- - - the Truth - - -". That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. See 2/2b, 13/1g and 40/75 above.

016 58/6d: "- - - Allah is Witness to all things". Why then does the Quran so often tell about his needing witnesses? And why 2/233h above?

017 58/7a: “- - - Allah doth know (all) that is in the heavens (plural and wrong) and on earth - - -”. Not if the Quran is a copy of a “mother book” (13/39b, 43/4, 85/21-22) he reveres in his Heaven - much is wrong . See 13/1g and 40/75 above.

018 58/7b: “- - - Allah doth know (all) that is in the heavens (plural and wrong) and on earth - - -”. See 2/233h above.

019 58/7d: "- - - the truth - - -". See 13/1g above.

020 58/7e: "For Allah has full Knowledge of all things". But why then does he so often use or need witnesses in the Quran? And why does he have to test even his followers? With absolute power and total knowledge that does not make sense.

021 58/7g: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 26/83a above.

022 58/8b: "- - - the Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 63/5b below.

023 58/8f: "Why does not Allah punish us (skeptics*) for our words". One of the many requests for a proof for Allah and for Muhammad’s connection to a god. Muhammad never was able to prove anything at all concerning central parts of his religion.

##024 58/9b: "- - - disobedience to the Messenger (Muhammad*)- - -". This is one of the places in the Quran where Muhammad makes a slip and indirectly admits that - at least sometimes - it is Muhammad and not necessarily Allah you shall obey.

025 58/9c: "- - - the Messenger (Muhammad*)- - -". See 63/5a below.

026 58/9e: "- - - righteousness - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

027 58/9f: "- - - fear Allah - - -". There is reason for this if he exists and is something supernatural. Not if not.

028 58/9g: "- - - Allah, to Whom ye (Muslims*) shall be brought back (at the Day of Doom)". Often claimed, never proved. And impossible if Allah does not exist or is not a major god, none of which is proved. Well, there is another possibility: If Allah is from the dark forces, it also may be possible for him to fix some bringing.

029 58/10e: "- - - but he (the Devil*) cannot harm them (people/Muslims*) in the least (= make them sin*), except as Allah permits - - -". Islam is rather harmful to Muslims - at least in this life - and even more so to Muslim women. This means either that Allah does not exist and thus do not decide anything about this, or he permits it.

###030 58/10f: "- - - in Allah let the Believers put their trust." Rather risky in such a serious question to believe blindly in a man of doubtful moral, believing in the use also of dishonesty, and with a lot to gain from your believing blindly in his tales. In all other aspects of life, that is the blueprint for the surest way to be deceived.

031 58/11c: A sample of Islamic good deeds (and also see next comment just below): "And when you are told to rise up, rise up - - -". Muhammad Asad's translation in the Swedish 2002 edition: "And when you are told 'Rise up!' - then rise up (at once)". Muhammad Asad's comment (A58/20, translated from Swedish 2002 AD edition): "Many of the classical commentators, among them especially clearly Tabari - - - means that the underlying meaning here is: "If you are told: 'Raise up and do good', follow then this incitement". - According to Ibn 'Abbas and Al-Hasan al-Basri, quoted by Ibn Kathir, the underlying meaning in this connection is "- - - prepare for going to war".

The Good Deed may be going to war to kill and rob and rape and suppress.

The religion of peace(!!)

###032 58/11d: And a sample of honesty in Islamic religious debate: The same text and comment as in 58/11c just above, but from the adjusted and more "correct" English 2008 edition:

Muhammad Asad's translation according to this edition (and NB: According to our knowledge he died long before 2008 AD): "And whenever you are told, 'Rise up (for a good deed)', do raise up - - -". And his claimed comment: (A58/20): "The interpretation implied in the words 'for a good deed' interpolated by me (Asad !!*) is analogous to that offered by most classical commentators, and most explicitly by Tabari (see 58/11c just above*); in the words of Qatadah (ibid.), "Whenever you are called to do a good deed, respond to this call".

The words that it means going to war - see 58/11c just above - have "disappeared", and this is not done by Muhammad Asad, as he was dead by then, but the book does not tell the readers that it is someone else who has made the book more politically "correct". Islam is too peaceful to be honest about such things.

Honesty and reliability in Islamic religious literature and debate.

How much is really honesty and reliability in Islamic religious literature and debate - not to say propaganda?

Do you understand why we say that it is heavy work to study Islamic literature, because every piece of "information" have to be checked to find out if it is true or not?

033 58/11f: "And Allah is well acquainted with all that ye do." See f.x. 2/233h, 58/7c and 58/7d above.

034 58/12e: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive no-one unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

035 58/12f: "- - - Allah is - - - Most Merciful". See f.x. 1/1a above and judge if he is merciful. When there is divergence between nice words - even many times repeated nice words - and reality, we always believe in the reality.

036 58/13b: "- - - regular prayers - - -". This demand for regular prayers - 5 times a day - was so essential for Allah (he even wanted more often according to Hadiths) that it became one of the 5 "pillars" of Islam. For Yahweh such formalism was so totally without any interest, that no similar rule - not even the idea - at all is mentioned in the entire Bible: Pray when there is a reason or a need or a wish. One of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Also see 23/9b above.

037 58/13d: "- - - obey Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*)". A strengthened version of Muhammad's standard, but never proved mantra for attaching himself to his source of power; his religion and his god.

####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more for him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.

038 58/13g: "And Allah is well acquainted with all that ye do." See f.x. 2/233h, 58/7c and 58/7d above.

039 58/14d: "- - - the Wrath of Allah - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists. And even if he should happen to exist, his wrath does not matter very much unless he is a major god. There never was a clear indication for that he even exists, not to mention for that he is a major god.

#040 58/14f: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) swear to falsehood knowingly". This claim is pretty ironic. In most religions false oaths are sins - it happens, but are sins. In Islam it is permitted and even advised if a broken oath will give a better result - but Muhammad scolds others for doing the same. The sooty kettle calling slightly dirty snow black?

041 58/14g: "- - - falsehood - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

042 58/15c: "- - - evil indeed are their (non-Muslims*) deeds". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code and partly as immoral and unethical ethical code - compare with the gold standard: "Do onto others what you want others do onto you" and weep - or shiver in disgust.

043 58/16b: "They (non-Muslims*) have made their oaths a screen - - -". But is this worse than when Muhammad in the Quran advices his followers - and practices himself (f.x. in the episode with the riding camels) - to break ones oaths, if this gives a more satisfying result? In reality as ironic as 58/14d above. If you put this point beside 2/225, 5/89, 16/91, or 66/2, you may get a hearty, ironic laugh.

044 58/16c: "- - - the Path of Allah - - -". The road to Allah and his Paradise. The road may exist if Allah exists and is a god.

045 58/17b: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) will be Companions of the Fire - - -". Possible - if Allah exists, if he is a major god, if the non-Muslim do not believe in another, really existing god (f.x. Yahweh whom both the Bible and the Quran claims exists, though the Quran wrongly mixes him with Allah) - - - and if the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth.

046 58/17e: "- - - to dwell therein (Hell*) (for aye)!" f.x. 6/128c, 11/107b, 43/74c, 51/13c, and 78/23 give indications for that may be Hell is not quite forever (and 11/108b for that also the Quran's paradise may not be quite forever).

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical.

047 58/18b: "One Day will Allah raise them all (people*) up (for Judgment) - - -". Often claimed, never proved. Possible only if Allah exists, is a major god - - - and if the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth about this.

048 58/18f: "They (non-Muslims*) are but liars". This is one of the ironic sentences in the Quran, as ####the only one of the big religion which accepts lies in many cases and advices it in some cases, is Islam - f.x. al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), betrayal (following the shining idol Muhammad's example), and broken words/promises/oaths "if that gives a better result" (though in some cases you should pay expiation afterwards) - 2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2.

049 58/19c: "Satan has got the better of them (non-Muslims*) - - -". This was a much more tempting "explanation" for Muhammad to use, than the plain truth: That the real reason why many did not want to join him, was that they saw much was wrong in his teaching.

050 58/19d: "- - - he (Satan*) has made them (non-Muslims*) loose the remembrance of Allah". This in case means Satan has more influence than Allah.

This sentence may also be referring to Muhammad's claim that once upon a time everyone were Muslims, but false teachings and falsified holy books lead all people astray. The claim is proved wrong, as neither science nor Islam has found one single unmistakable trace of Muslims older than 610 AD when Muhammad started his teaching.

##051 58/19e: "They (non-Muslims*) are the Party of Satan". This is one of the sentences you should remember if/when you meet Muslims claiming that Islam or Muhammad is slandered or worse - it is difficult for them to get sympathy from a judge when they are saying worse things themselves. And few opposers of Islam use as strong words as here. Hate and distaste mongering.

052 58/19f: "They (non-Muslims*) are the Party of Satan". One of the many of Muhammad's negative - here strongly negative - names for non-Muslims. This is one of the names you meet also today - f.x. "USA is the Big Satan.

But claims like this never were proved by valid proofs.

053 58/19g: "Truly - - -". Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim. See 2/2b above.

When used in the Quran words like "true", "truth", "truly", "sure" "surety", "surely", "verity", "verily", etc. are claims, not proved facts. Also see 2/2b + 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones - and as for contradictions to the Bible also 40/20b. Also the latter half of the comments to 41/39a is very relevant. These and similar words cannot be taken at face value unless they are proved.

054 58/20a: "Those who resists Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) will be among those most humiliated". So whatever you do, do not even think about resisting Muhammad! Allah is dream god for any dictator - is he really real? - or is he made to measure for Muhammad? The fact that the Quran is too full of mistaken facts, etc. to be from a god, and also that the god so often was used as a factor in his private life or to intervene for him in the community, may make one think.

055 58/20c: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad's standard, but never proved mantra for imprinting on his followers his position of power - is it a lie? A claim does not become truer by being repeated often, but many repetitions may make people start believing this claim anyhow. Remember Goebbels: "If a lie is repeated often enough, people start believing it".

056 58/21a: "It is I (Allah*) and My Messenger (Muhammad*) who must prevail". This decree has no value if not Allah exists and in addition is a major god. But all the same this may become true, as war cultures often wins over peaceful cultures - in spite of all propaganda about "the religion of peace" (an al-Taqiyya (a lawful lie)) Islam is a religion of war. If you want to protest on this fact, read first the some 22-24 surahs from Medina - the ones which really counts in many cases, according to Islam's rules for abrogation (making verses invalid), because they are the youngest ones - made after Islam changed from rather peaceful to the use of weapons, robbery, raids, and war in/after 622 AD.

Also: There never was a valid proof for that Muhammad was the representative of a god - Allah or any other.

057 58/21f: "- - - Allah is One full of strength, able to enforce His Will". But not in one single case since 610 AD - 1400 real years and some 1442 of the artificial Muslims years (in 2010 AD) - has Allah clearly been able to enforce his will, except by means of the sword of human followers or other means of force or pressure backed by such swords, included terrorism - and there it always was brutality, not proved divine engagement which did the deed - - - or misdeed.

#058 58/22j: "- - - (Allah has*) strengthened them (Muslims*) with a spirit from Himself". This only may - may - be true if Allah exists and is a god - - - or from the dark forces. Another thing is that strong believers often feel strengthened by their religion - even clearly false ones -, but this goes for believers in any religion.

059 58/22l: "- - - to dwell therein (in Paradise*) (for ever)". Verse 11/108c may indicate that perhaps Paradise is not quite forever. Muslims have problems with explaining this one, but often claim that it just means that the inhabitants will be transferred to an even better Paradise, but this is not said in the Quran.

060 58/22m: "Truly - - -". Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim. See f.x. 2/2b or57/22g above.

061 58/22n: "- - - they (Muslims - will be pleased*) with Him (Allah - in Paradise*)". If he exists, if he is a god, and if the Quran has told the full truth and only the truth about him and about the next life.

062 58/22o: "Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve Felicity". This will partly depend on the word "Truly" (see 2/2b or 57/22g above), but overwhelmingly on if the Quran is from a god or not.

When used in the Quran words like "true", "truth", "truly", "sure" "surety", "surely", "verity", "verily", etc. are claims, not proved facts. Also see 2/2b + 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones - and as for contradictions to the Bible also 40/20b. Also the latter half of the comments to 41/39a is very relevant. These and similar words cannot be taken at face value unless they are proved.

It also will depend much upon if Allah at all exists, if he in case is a powerful god (and not f.x. from the dark forces, like many points in the Quran may indicate), and if he in case is correctly described among all the mistaken facts, etc. in the Quran.

8059 + 62 = 8121 remarks.

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Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".


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