1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 53

 

SURAH 53: AM-MAJM (The Star)

(Mecca, 612-615 AD)

 

001  "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 53/1c: (A53/1): “By the star as it goes down - - -.” But the Arab word “najm” may also mean “unfolding” – something that appears gradually. And then another meaning appears: “Consider this unfolding (of Allah’s message (the Quran*)), as it comes down from the high!” The “down-to-earth” scholars mostly go for the first one, some others for the second one – wishful thinking may sometimes have strong influence. Also see 53/1f below.

003 53/1d: (YA5085): “By the star as it goes down - - -.” But even if the Arab word “hawa” may mean “go down” or “set”, it also may mean “rise”. A pretty confusing language used by Allah – or by someone. Also see 53/1f below.

004 53/1e: M. Asad - English 2008 edition: "Consider this unfolding - - -". A very different meaning, and even more so as it is no oath any more. Also see 53/1f below.

005 53/1f: M. Asad - English 2008 edition: "Consider this unfolding (of Allah's message), as it comes down from the high!" Can this be the same Arab sentence like what is translated above?

#006 53/2b: “Your Champion is neither astray nor being misled.” Many skeptics thought this about Muhammad. All the mistakes, etc. proved that he at least was somewhat - or more - astray. Though all the hallmarks of a cheat, deceiver and swindler may indicate that may be he was not misled - that those last 3 words may be true, as may be he was misleading. There also is the question of TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) which in case will explain much.

007 53/3: “Nor does he (Muhammad*) say (aught) of (his own) desire”. It will take strong proofs to prove that surahs like no. 66 or no. 111 are worthy of a god and belongs in a Mother Book in Heaven - one that may be has existed since eternity. And also to prove they are worthy a book revered by an omniscient and omnipotent god in his home. And what about "the Mother Book"/the Quran repeatedly solving Muhammad's domestic problems?

Not to mention how strong proofs it takes to prove that a god sent down all those mistakes, contradictions, etc.

And as for prophesies few things Muhammad said, came true – like it has to do for a person saying many things through many years – and most of what he said that did not come true, was forgotten (also this is what normally happens). The main things here are that Muhammad never indicated that anything of what he said was meant as prophesies, he never indicated, not to mention pretended to or claimed, that he had the gift of prophesying, that it nowhere is documented that all/most of what he said about the future came true (point 2 in the definition of a prophet), and finally both he and Islam said and say that there were no miracles connected to Muhammad “except the Quran” – prophesying is a kind of miracle. (This fact also is a solid proof for that all the miracles connected to Muhammad mentioned in the Hadiths, are made up stories). Also see 30/40a and 30/46a above.

Muhammad in reality simply was no real prophet. Perhaps a messenger for someone or something or for himself – or perhaps an apostle – but not a real prophet. He only “borrowed” that impressive and imposing title. It is up to anyone to guess why.

What is for sure: All the mistakes, contradictions, cases of invalid logic and of unclear language, etc. definitely are from no god's desire - an omniscient god makes perfect texts.

008 53/3-4: "Nor does he (Muhammad*) say (aught) of (his own) Desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him". This means that everything Muhammad said, in reality was inspired by Allah, and thus Allah's words - which means that also Sunna (Hadiths) can abrogate the Quran and the other way around. But no omniscient god would need to abrogate himself. And in the Quran there are a number of abrogations - lots of them.

It seems that abrogation is/was used mainly in these cases:

When Muhammad or Allah had said (Quran mainly) or done (Hadith often) something he/they later found was not wise - like the Satanic Verses.

When Muhammad found that he had forgotten verses - this happened according to Hadith. F.x. al-Bukhari (3/223 and 8/91): ”Aisha (one of Muhammad’s wives*) said: ’(Muhammad said*): - - - he (a man*) reminded me of such and such verses I had dropped from Surah so and so”.

When Muhammad/Allah found that what he/they had ordained for the Muslims was more than they would accept: Spoils of war belonged to Allah - but it was changed to 20% for Allah and 80% for his men. Praying much of the night, was reduced to less. And each Muslim capable to fight 10 “infidels”, was reduced to 2 “infidels”, etc. But why did not an omniscient god know this from the start?

When Muhammad/Allah wanted a rule changed- f.x. less and less alcohol, or more and more war. (According to Ibn ’Arabi “'The verse of the sword’ has abrogated 124 verses” - mainly all the peaceful ones.) But why did not an omniscient god know the best rule from the very beginning?

When Muhammad himself did things differently from his own teachings, his deeds became an abrogation of the Quran. The Quran f.x. prescribes whipping of adulterers, whereas the praxis some places even today is stoning - at least of the woman. The reason is said to be that Muhammad himself practiced stoning - even took part in at least one personally. His praxis of murdering opponents also made good examples for the future. (There also is a rumor in Islam that there was a verse demanding stoning for illegal sex, but that this verse in case was one of those which were omitted when Uthman had the official Quran made.) The same goes for torture. And murder - though that also was prescribed. There also is f.x. the case of donkey meat – it is not prohibited by the Quran, but Muhammad prohibited it during a war campaign – and forever - according to Hadiths.

The use of abrogation forever was - and is - a problem for Islam. The reason is that with the exception of the “satanic verses” and possible other verses which were abrogated and told by Muhammad to be forgotten - and verses forgotten or for other reasons omitted from the Quran by caliph Uthman and his men when making the “final” Quran in the 650s AD (persistent rumors in Islam tells that some 100 verses were forgotten or for other reasons omitted) - the abrogated verses remain in the book, and much worse: As mentioned above it is often highly unclear which verses are abrogated and invalid, and which are not. Some Muslims say nothing is abrogated (which is a dream made up because abrogation really is not worthy an omniscient god, and raises serious doubts about the god Allah, his omniscience and his powers and his existence, and perhaps also because many people needs something absolute to believe in or rely on) but it only is a dream. The reality is abrogation. The only question is how many verses? As mentioned there are numbers from 5 to 500, but realistic may be 200 - 300 or some more (up to 500) - it depends on how strict the reader is. Muslims tend to find fewer abrogated verses than others - 100 or more are not uncommon - perhaps because they are reluctant to admit unnecessary weaknesses in their god and their religion - - - though Ibn Arabi said about the famous and infamous “verse of the sword” (verse 9/5) “- - - fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them - - -”): "The verse of ‘the sword’ has abrogated 124 verses” - f.x. all the peaceful ones about non-Muslims and about no compulsion in religion. And that was only the “verse of the sword” - there are many more.

The problem with not knowing which verses are abrogated and which not, is exacerbated by the fact that even the verses Muslim scholars agree on are abrogated, remains in the Quran - they cannot be taken out, because Allah sent it down like that, and men cannot correct his mistakes or what to call it.

Some of the serious results of the uncertainty around abrogated verses are:

It is difficult to be a judge when you do not for sure know which verses relevant for a case are abrogated and invalid, and which not. How to judge when you know the dictator of your country has nullified paragraphs in the constitution of the country, but without it is possible for you to know for sure which ones and how many?

Many Muslims honestly believe Islam is a peaceful religion because they do not know or do not believe/accept that the peaceful verses are abrogated. They even may be insulted when being told the opposite. And we non-Muslims should remember that this honest belief leads to a use of their religion which makes these groups of Muslims no danger for their surroundings (but of course our problem is to know who of them are honest and who not).

It is easy to defend - or make propaganda for - Islam by pointing to peaceful verses without even mentioning the word “abrogation”. Many non-Muslims look at the verse and – not knowing the abrogating rule and verses – believe it.

A lot of naïve non-Muslims with superficial knowledge about Islam easily accepts and tells about the peaceful real Islam - often as opposed to other religions. They simply do not know that Islam started as a mainly peaceful religion, but was transferred to one of hate, stealing, rape, suppression, blood and war around and after 622 AD when Muhammad became strong enough and in addition needed first highwaymen and then warriors.

009 53/4: "It (the surahs*) is no less than inspiration sent down to him (Muhammad*) - - -". May be true, but from whom? - not from a god with all those mistakes. Then may be from a sick brain (f.x. TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy - like modern medical science suspects)? From dark forces? From a cold brain? - few things are as easy as claimed "inspiration" to manipulate. The word "inspiration" also never is used in such connection in the Bible. On the contrary the Bible stated that Yahweh used direct contact, visions, or dreams (4. Mos. 12/6-8). One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. 

010 53/5a: "He (Muhammad*) was taught by one Mighty in Power (Allah*)". Wrong. No god ever was the teacher of so many mistakes, so many contradictions, so many cases of wrong logic, so many cases of unclear language, etc.

011 53/5b: “- - - one Mighty in Power (Allah - by means of the Angel Gabriel*) - - -.” But is Allah mighty in power? – there is not one single proof for that. Lots and lots of words – even big words – but not one single proof. NB: It also may be that "one mighty in power" here means the angel Gabriel himself, not Allah. (Correction?: Also a devil may be mighty in power perhaps.)

012 53/6: “(Allah is*) Endued with Wisdom - - -”. See 13/1g and 40/75 above. But also see 53/5b just above.

####013 53/6-9: "he" in these 4 verses likely is the angel Gabriel - though no name is mentioned until Muhammad had fled to Medina. Either Muhammad did not know who he was before, or he did not get the name of using that name before - if he had, he certainly would have told, because such a heavy name might have helped him in the difficult Mecca years (Gabriel according to the Bible was one of the leading angels - and arch-angel). It may be noteworthy that even as often as Gabriel is mentioned as the one giving Muhammad his claimed messages, Muslim scholars say Muhammad saw him "in his real shape" only 2 times - once early during Muhammad's claimed mission, and once during Muhammad's claimed trip to the 7 heavens. (A trip which most likely was a dream or made up (little known Islamic scriptures + the lack of elaboration in the Quran, strongly indicate that it is a story made up after the death of Muhammad - f.x. his pet wife and famous child wife Aishah, told that he never left her bed that night, according to Hadiths. Or even more likely it is a made up legend based on 17/1, and nothing else - a verse which likely talks about a trip Muhammad made from the mosque in a neighboring town (al-Jirana some 9 miles/15 km from Mecca) to Kabah in Mecca - and definitely nothing about any ascension to the 7 heavens or meeting with Biblical prophets. Old Muslim scriptures indicate this - a fact Muslims NEVER mention (most lay Muslims do not know it). What is for sure is that if it had been real, and even distantly as essential as claimed, it had been thoroughly described in the Quran - it had been a real proof (though without witnesses) for contact with a god.)

####It also might be noteworthy that there nowhere in the Quran is indicated that Gabriel = The Holy Spirit. This is a claim made up by later Muslims. It also is not possible for a clear mind to understand the Bible thus.)

####And then there as said is the curious fact that Muhammad never mention Gabriel by name until after he came to Medina. One may wonder why. It is psychologically impossible that he did not mention him to his surroundings if he really met Gabriel - it had been such a strong argument, and this even more so as he was strongly pressed for documentation for connection to a god. Yes, even if he was cheated by f.x. a mental disorder, but honestly believed he had met Gabriel, there is no chance he had not told about it - at that time he really needed all arguments he could find.

One possible explanation is that he did not get the idea of introducing Gabriel before.

014 53/10a: "- - - so did (Allah) convey the inspiration (surahs*) to His Servant (Muhammad*) - - -". No god ever conveyed/gave that much wrong information to anyone.

015 53/10c: " - - - His (Allah's*) Servant (Muhammad*) - - -". No omniscient god had a servant telling so much wrong as Muhammad did.

016 53/10f: "- - - (conveying (to Muhammad*)) what He (Allah*) (meant) to convey". Knowing all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran, this is unintended irony and an as unintended black joke. No omniscient god ever intended to make so much wrong or to make hundreds and hundreds of mistakes, etc. as a basis for his own holy book.

#017 53/11b: “The (Prophet’s (Muhammad’s*)) (mind and) heart in no way falsified that which he saw.” If the Quran is fundamentally different from the Bible, and the Bible is not falsified according to science and against their wish by Islam – in spite of Islam’s not documented claims - what explanations are then left for the differences between f.x. what Muhammad claimed the Bible, said and what it really said? This simply is one of Muhammad's many, many never proved claims - he never was able to prove anything at all concerning the main point of his religion.

#018 53/12a: "Will ye (people*) the dispute with him (Muhammad*) what he saw?" There are reasons for disputing, partly because many of his tales are wrong, and partly because modern medical science have a strong suspicion about him having TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy), which in many cases can give such religious "experiences".

019 53/13b: "For indeed he (Muhammad*) saw him (the angel Gabriel*) at a second descent". What the Quran here says, it that Muhammad saw Gabriel coming down for a second time. But some scholars claim that what it really means (f.x. A53/9 - in the English 2008 edition 53/10 and changed explanation) is that Muhammad saw Gabriel in his real shape for the second time - like so often it seems that Allah was unable to express himself clearly and correctly, and has to be corrected by humans. As for "second descent" - see 53/6-9 above.

020 54/13c: "For indeed he (Muhammad*) saw him (Gabriel*) at a second descent - - -". This was at the start of Muhammad's claimed or dreamed trip to the 7 (not existing) heavens, according to many Muslim scholars. But see 53/6-9 above.

021 53/17: "(His (Muhammad's*)) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong!" How then explain all the mistakes. etc. in the Quran?

022 53/18a: "- - - truly - - -". Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim. See 49/13b above.

When used in the Quran words like "true", "truth", "truly", "sure" "surety", "surely", "verity", "verily", etc. are claims, not proved facts. Also see 2/2b + 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones - and as for contradictions to the Bible also 40/20b. Also the latter half of the comments to 41/39a is very relevant. These and similar words cannot be taken at face value unless they are proved.

023 53/18b: “- - - Signs of his (Muhammad's*) Lord (Allah*) - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

024 53/18c: "- - - (Allah*) the Greatest - - -". Contradicted by the Bible, which says Yahweh is the greatest. Also see 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs. Also: He is not the greatest unless he exists and is a major god.

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####025 53/19-21: "Have ye (people/Muslims*) seen al-Lat and al 'Uzza, And another, the third (goddess) Manat?" This is the start of the famous Satanic Verses. They continued by telling that these goddesses might be good to know. Muhammad was promised a good reward from the leaders in Mecca if he accepted these goddesses - which he for a short while did. But then he got cold feet and/or changed his mind.

The Satanic Verses simply are 3 short lines:

Have ye (people*) thought upon Al-Lat, Al-Uzza

and Manat (daughters of Allah and central goddesses*), the third, the other?

These are the exalted gharaniq whose intercession is hoped for.

The exact meaning of the word "gharaniq" is unclear - Muhammad far from always was clear in the Quran. What is clear is that it is something positive, and that Muhammad here left his monotheism in order to get privileges from the ruling classes in Mecca. But shortly afterwards he withdrew the verses, claimed he had been cheated by the Devil, and abrogated them with what today are verses 53/19-22.

But it tells something ominous that Muhammad initially was willing to change his religion radically to get privileges. Was it something similar which happened shortly after he came to Medina, and saw how much money there was to be made from being a robber baron? - Islam quite suddenly changed from quite peaceful to a full-fledged religion of war, included acceptance and use of dishonesty, thieving/looting, rape, slave taking, suppression, blood, and glorifying of fighting and war, etc.

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026 53/22: "- - - such (daughters instead of sons*) would be indeed a division most unfair!" Muhammad was living in a society where women were of zero or negative value, and this is mirrored in his teaching.

027 53/23a: "These (other gods than Allah*) are nothing but names which ye (non-Muslims*) have devised". This may or may not be true - it depends on if there are real other gods, f.x. Yahweh. But the obvious contra-question is: Is Allah more than a name?

028 53/23b: "- - - for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever)". Allah has no authority whatever to send down if he does not exist or if he is no major god, none of which is proved - there only are Muhammad's undocumented and little reliable words for it. A man believing in the use of lies, broken oaths, etc. and wanting power and riches - at least for bribes - and dozens of women, is not very reliable.

029 53/23c: "They (non-Muslims*) follow nothing but conjecture and what their souls desire!" Another never proved claim - from a claimed prophet whose desire was power, riches (at least for bribes) and lots of women. And the relevant counter-Question is: Was and is Allah anything but a conjecture from Muhammad's brain and perhaps wishful thinking and desire? - nothing was ever proved about this claimed god.

030 53/23d: "- - - there has already come to them (people/non-Muslims*) Guidance from their Lord (Allah*)". Wrong. No omniscient, benevolent god ever sent guidance like pretended given in the Quran.

031 53/23e: "- - - Guidance - - -". See 7/192a and 16/107 above.

032 53/25a: "But it is to Allah that the End and the Beginning (of all things) belong". Similar often claimed in the Quran, but never proved.

033 53/25b: "But it is to Allah that the End and the Beginning (of all things) belong". Contradicted by the Bible. which says it belongs to Yahweh, not to Allah. Also see 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

034 53/27c: "- - - name the angels with female names". The old Arabs believed that also the angels (in addition to the main goddesses) were the daughters of their foremost god, al-Lah - the same god Muhammad only called Allah (and which perhaps was identical with Hubal - there are indications both for and against (see second part of 1/1d)).

But why cannot angels (also?) be females?

035 53/28c: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 26/83a above.

036 53/28d: “- - - conjecture avails nothing against Truth (the Quran*)”. Actually that is the question concerning the Quran: How much is true and how much is conjecture - and how much is not even that? See 13/1g and 40/75 above. And if it is true that there is a next life, how much will the Islam avail if the Quran is partly - not to mention if it is completely - conjecture, something which is very likely, as no god is involved in a book so full of mistakes and worse like the Quran. If f.x. NT should happen to be true - and both science and Islam have thoroughly proved it at least is not falsified - there are not many Muslims who will end up a good place, if there is a next life. If the Mosaic religion or Buddhism is what is true, they may fare a little better, but just a little. If other religions - f.x. Hinduism - are true, it is anybody's guess how believing Muslims will fare. What is sure, is that persons practicing a war, brutality and hate religion like Islam, will not be in a good position if they arrive in a next life and find it is ruled by a good and benevolent god. (In the Quran the nice and glorious words tell one tale, the reality, demands, introduced rules and moral code, and orders tall quite another. Any time and anywhere we find words and reality contradicting each other, we believe in the reality

###Another point: If the Quran is not from a god, it is conjecture - and no god would deliver a book that full of wrong facts and other errors.

037 53/28e: "- - - the Truth". That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. Actually all the errors, etc. prove is at best is partly true. See 2/2b, 13/1g and 40/75 above.

038 53/29d: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Message (the Quran*) - - -". No omniscient god ever was involved in a book of a quality like in the Quran.

039 53/29e: "- - - Message - - -". Is it really a message? - or is it something home-made. And if it is a message, then from whom, as no god ever delivered a book of a quality like the Quran?

040 53/30a: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 26/83a above.

041 53/30e "- - - His (Allah's*) Path - - -". The road to the Quran's Paradise - see 10/9f above.

042 53/30g: "- - - guidance". See 7/192a and 16/107 above.

043 53/31a: "- - - to Allah belongs all that is in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". Often claimed in the Quran, never proved anywhere.

044 53/31b: "- - - to Allah belongs all that is in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". Contradicted by the Bible, which says it belongs to Yahweh. Also see 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

045 53/31d: "- - - He (Allah*) rewards those who do evil (by sending them to Hell*) - - -". Only if he exists and is a god powerful enough to do this. If he belongs to the dark forces, he may cheat people to Hell.

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's Hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their Hells had been more or less identical.

046 53/31e: "- - - He (Allah*) rewards those who do evil, according to their deeds - - -". How can this be fair, if Allah predestines every detail of everybody's life, like the Quran many places claims? - yes, even if he predestines only some of it, like some Muslims claim to try to explain away things - in contradiction to the Quran's very clear words? (And for that case: How can it be fair to reward for good deeds Allah has forced the doers to do?)

047 53/31f: "- - - He (Allah*) rewards those who do evil, according to their deeds - - -". Technically this it is possible to vary both the punishment and the reward, as Islam's Hell consists of 7 parts, one more sadistic than the next, and Paradise consists of 4 or 6 or more gardens, each better than the other + the higher heavens - this mainly according to Hadiths.

048 53/31g: "- - - do evil - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. Compare the Quran's moral code to "do against others like you want others do against you", and weep.

049 53/31h: "- - - He (Allah*) rewards those who do good, with what is best.". How can this be fair, if Allah predestines every detail of everybody's life like the Quran many places claims? - yes, even if he predestines only some of it, like some Muslims claim to try to explain away things - in contradiction to the Quran's very clear words?

050 53/31i: "- - - do good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. Compare the Quran's moral code to "do against others like you want others do against you", and weep.

051 53/32b: "- - - sin - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. We also may mention that just this word often covers very different deeds, acts, words, and thoughts in the Quran and Islam, than in more normal religions (Islam is a religion of war - in spite of its loud slogans), not to mention how much its meaning in the Quran often differs from the basic of all human moral; "do against others like you want others do against you". Read the surahs from Medina and weep.

One small remark: As Yahweh's religion and f.x. moral code at many points are totally different from Allah's, you may qualify for Yahweh's Paradise even if Muslims condemn you to Hell - if both exist. One more of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

052 53/32c: "- - - shameful deeds - - -". See 53/32a-b above.

053 53/32d: "- - - verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See 49/13c above.

When used in the Quran words like "true", "truth", "truly", "sure" "surety", "surely", "verity", "verily", etc. are claims, not proved facts. Also see 2/2b + 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones - and as for contradictions to the Bible also 40/20b. Also the latter half of the comments to 41/39a is very relevant. These and similar words cannot be taken at face value unless they are proved.

054 53/32e: "- - - verily, thy (Muslim's*) Lord (Allah*) is ample in forgiveness". There only are two who can forgive - the victim and a god. Thus Allah only can forgive if exists and if he is a god, and a god with enough power to be able to forgive.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

055 53/32g: "He (Allah*) knows you (persons*) well - - - when you are hidden in your mothers' womb". That is when Allah decides whether you are going to end in Hell or in Paradise according to Hadiths - when you are a 4 months old fetus. How is that possible if you have free will and can decide what good or bad things to do in this life? Remember here that full precognition in spite of the Quran's claims is impossible even for an omniscient god if man has a free will - the man/woman always can change his/her mind once more.

056 53/32h: "- - - He (Allah*) brings you (persons*) out of the earth - - -". Often claimed, never proved. And also contradicted by the Bible, which says it is Yahweh who does this, not Allah. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

057 53/32k: "- - - evil - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. Compare the Quran's moral code to "do against others like you want others do against you" and weep.

058 53/35a: "Has he (the person leaving Islam*) knowledge - - -". May be that is just what he has got - f.x. the knowledge given by all the mistakes, contradictions, etc. in the Quran, that no god is behind that book.

#####059 53/35b: "Has he (the person leaving Islam*) knowledge of the Unseen that he can see?". This is a technique of debate you often meet from Muslims and from Islam - they forward a topic, and then strongly restricts the area of the debate - mostly to narrow segments where they know it is difficult to give opposing answers (here "the unseen") - - - and then they "win" the debate. In such cases tell him/her straight out that you do not accept such restrictions, and that your relevant arguments or facts are such and such.

060 53/36a: "Nay, is he (the one leaving Islam*) not acquainted with what is in the books of Moses - - -". Perhaps that was just the case - nobody really believing in the books of Moses, would believe in the Quran, as even there the differences are too big (and they are bigger in other parts of the Bible).

061 53/36c: "- - - the books of Moses - - -" As the relevant books has no clear reference to a life to come, Islam straight-facedly claims it must be referring to some lost book of Moses - - - just like with the Gospels: As the Gospels do not say what Muhammad said it says, and did not exist at the time of Jesus, the easy explanation is a claim that there was another, older Gospel which has disappeared. Simple and easy - - - even though the story of Jesus' life, death, resurrection and ascension to Heaven (here "the unseen") could not be told until after it had happened - at least not if man has free will and Allah not 100% predestination.

##062 53/37a: "- - - and (the books? *) of Abraham - - -". There is nowhere in the Bible - the only real source telling about Abraham - mentioned he had books. To explain this, Islam simply tells that (YA5111): "No original 'Book of Abraham’s now extant (undocumented claim: There must have been one or more which have disappeared*). But a book called 'The Testament of Abraham' (exists*)". This Yusuf Ali tells without mentioning a syllable about that "The Testament of Abraham" is a well known made up - apocryphal - book, and made millenniums after Abraham. Honesty counts little in Islam when it comes to defend or explain or forward the religion - cfr. "al-Taqiyya" - the lawful lie - and "Kitman" - the lawful half-truth - both of which are not only permitted to use, but advised to use "if necessary" to defend or forward Islam. But why are lies necessary in Islam? - and how much is lies and how much truth in a religion which accepts and at least partly relies on lies? - and how much is a religion at least partly relying on lies, worth?

Besides: What is the chance for that a nomad - Abraham - knew how to read, not to mention had a book, 2ooo-1800 BC?

063 53/39: "- - - Man can have nothing but what he strives for - - -". How does this compare with the Qurans' many statements that Allah predestines everything, and thus also what you get and what you not get, because that in addition are gifts from Allah’s abundance? This claim simply is wrong if Allah predestines everything like the Quran states.

064 53/40: "- - - (the fruit of) his (man's*) striving will soon come in sight - - -". This is wrong if the Quran's statements about Allah’s predestination are true. If Allah predestines, it will be the fruits of his predestinations which come in sight. But at the same time it is a case of the carrot and the stick: Allah sees what you do, so be good, and willing and obedient.

065 53/41a: "Then (in the next life*) will he (a person*) be rewarded - - -". Is it fair to reward a person for good or for bad deeds if he/she did it because Allah had predestined it like that?

066 53/42a: "- - - to thy (man's*) Lord (Allah*) is the final goal - - -". Often claimed, but there only are claims.

067 53/43: "- - - it is He (Allah*) who granteth Laughter and Tears - - -". One more never proved claim.

068 53/44: "- - - it is He (Allah*) who granteth death and life - - -". Often claimed, but never proved anywhere (in contrast to Yahweh who via Jesus - if the Bible tells the truth - several times proved he was able to give the dead ones life (f.x. 1. Kings 17/22, 2. Kings 4/34-35, Matt.9/25, Matt. 27/52, Luke 7/15, John 11/44, 9/40, Acts 20/10, and the Quran 5/110i above - and of course Jesus himself).

#069 53/45+46: “- - - He (Allah*) did create (man*) in pairs - male and female - From a seed (the semen*) when lodged (in its place (a female womb*)).” Muhammad believed the semen was some sort of a seed that could start to grow when planted in a female. Wrong - or at best half the story. But Muhammad obviously did not know the other half - the egg cell - as the same story is told several times in the Quran. Actually this was the going zoology at the time of Muhammad - one did not know how conception happened, and did not know about the egg cell. A god had known better. Who made the Quran?

070 53/47: "- - - He (Allah*) hath promised a Second Creation (rising of the dead)". See 7/158i and 53/44 above.

071 53/48: "- - - it is He (Allah*) Who giveth wealth and satisfaction - - -". It is Allah who predestines also this - so why work, as Allah has predestined how rich and satisfied you are to be?

072 53/49a: “- - - He (Allah) is the Lord of Sirius - - -". Claims are cheap as long as you are able for flee from all requests for proofs. There are nearly legion unproved claims in the Quran. F.x. this one.

073 53/50a: "- - - it is He (Allah*) who destroyed the (powerful) ancient 'Ad (people) - - -". See 53/49a above.

074 53/50b: "- - - the 'Ad (people) - - -". A tribe from old Arab legends. They may or may not have once exists, but it is highly unlikely they disappeared in the way Muhammad told - at least Islam have to bring a few proofs./p>

075 53/51a: "And (destroyed*) the Thamud - - -". See 53/49a above.

076 53/51b: "- - - the Thamud - - -". Parallel to 'Ad in 53/50b above.

077 53/53: "And He (Allah*) destroyed the Overthrown Cities (of Sodom and Gomorrah)". One thing is that the Bible tells this was done by Yahweh, but in addition it is contradicted by the Bible on how it was done - brimstones (see 11/82c) in the Quran instead of burning sulfur in the Bible. Also see 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

Some Muslims try to explain this destruction with a volcanic eruption. Burning sulphur like told in the Bible may come from a volcano, but not brimstone (see 11/82c) like told in the Quran. Brimstone is hardened clay, and clay ONLY is made in water.

Besides science tells that the main volcanic activity in Arabia was over 400ooo years ago.

#078 53/55: "Then which of the gifts of thy Lord (Allah*) (O man,) wilt thou dispute about?" None - it is to throw away time and energy unless and until it is proved that Allah exists, and that there exists gifts from him - not just cheap claims, but valid proofs.

###079 53/56: “This is a Warner (Muhammad*), of the (series of) Warners of the old”. Muhammad impressed and impressed and impressed on his followers that he was one of a long series – though the greatest of all – of prophets (even though he per definition was no prophet, as he did not have the gift of making prophesies – he just “borrowed” that prestigious title), as that gave him “weight” and prestige. And to belong to the one timeless “right” religion, also gave his teachings weight among the ones who believed it (Science have never found any traces of a religion like Islam anywhere or any time before 610 AD – if they had, you bet Islam had told about it.) But he in case definitely did not belong to the same series as the Jewish prophets, included Jesus – the teachings, not to mention their actual lives and deeds and moral codes, were too different. AND they made prophesies - real prophesies – which he was unable to.

080 53/61: "Wasting your (non-Muslim's*) time in vanities?" If the Quran is not from a god, this is what Muslims are doing. And a book where so much is wrong, is not from a god.

#081 53/62: "- - - adore (Him (Allah*))!" Why adore the "hero" in a clearly made up - by dark forces or human(s) - book? A claimed "hero" who has never before or later manifested himself in any way at all! Cervantes was out from prison when he wrote Don Quixote - in a book of a measurably better literary quality than the Quran. But Don Quixote does not exist even though a doubtful person wrote a book about him.

Even if things are said or written, that does not mean that it is true - and especially not when the narrator is an unreliable person of doubtful moral even according to the realities in central Islamic relevant literature.

7681 + 81 = 7762 remarks.

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Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".


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This work was upload with assistance of M. A. Khan, editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery".