1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 43
18 May 2014
SURAH 43: AZ-ZUKRUF (The Gold Adornments)
(Mecca, 616-619 AD)
001 "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.
#002 43/2a: “By the Book (the Quran*) that makes things clear - - -.” Which also must mean the language is not hiding the meanings and it is intended that everything shall be easy to understand, plus it explains things in ways clear to see. Also see 11/1b, 19/97, and 26/2 above, and 44/2 below.
##003 43/2b: “- - - the Book that makes things clear - - -”. But a book with perhaps 3000+ mistakes makes few things clear. See also 40/75 + 41/12 above and 43/3a below.
Anyone wanting to try to “explain” away difficult points like mistakes or invalid logic or contradictions, by calling them allegories etc. should read this sentence. It even is written 4 times and thus a solidly cemented and nailed truth: The Quran is to be understood literally and search for hidden meanings is only for Allah, and such search only is for the ones “in whose hearts is perversity - - -.”
More down to the Earth: Muslims often explains away mistakes, etc. in the Quran with the claim that what is written there, is not what is meant - it is a parable or an allegory or something. A book where you have to guess what is literally meant and what are parables - and what the parables in case mean - definitely is not easy and clear.
######That the Quran tells - directly or indirectly, but clearly - that the texts in the Quran is clear, explained by Allah, and to be understood literally, you find f.x. these places: 3/7b, 3/138a, 6/114da, 11/1b, 15/1b, 18/1d-e, 18/2a, 19/97b, 20/113b+c, 24/34, 24/54j, 26/2a, 27/1b-d, 28/2, 36/69e, 37/117c, 39/28b, 41/3da, 43/2a, 44/2b-c, 44/58b, 54/17a, 54/22b, 54/32a+b, 54/40a, and 75/19 Worth remembering each time a Muslim or Islam tries to "explain" away errors, etc. by claiming the text means something different from what it says. In such cases either the Muslim/Islam lies when he/she claims the text means something different from what it says (the claim often is that it is a parable or something), or the Quran lies when it says that the book uses clear texts where nothing else is indicated.
The listed points are all collected under 3/7b and 44/58b.
Or perhaps Allah is so clumsy and helpless when he explains things, that he needs help from humans to explain what "he really means"? (Nonsense to say the least about such claims behind such "explanations".)
WHO CAN EXPLAIN SOMETHING BETTER AND MORE CORRECTLY AND COMPLETELY THAN AN OMNISCIENT GOD?
004 43/2c: "- - - Wisdom - - -". For words related to knowledge, see 26/83a above.
####005 43/3c: "We (Allah*) have made it a Quran in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand - - -". It is clear that Allah has done everything to make the Quran plain and easy to understand - he even made the Quran in the local language and in texts they would be able to understand. And who can make a text easier to understand correctly than an omniscient god? - not to mention when it is written in the local language to make it impossible not to understand exactly what was said and meant. Worth remembering each time Muslims tries to explain away mistakes with that the text does not mean what it says, but something else or something hidden. Also see 43/2a and 43/2b above.
006 43/3d: “- - - (and learn Wisdom) - - -.” Nobody learns wisdom from a book full of errors. Also see 26/83a above.
007 43/3e: "- - - (- - - Wisdom) - - -". For words related to knowledge, see 26/83a above.
008 43/4a: "And verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See f.x. 2/2b or 42/33b above.
When used in the Quran words like "true", "truth", "truly", "sure" "surety", "surely", "verity", "verily", etc. are claims, not proved facts. Also see 2/2b + 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones - and as for contradictions to the Bible also 40/20b. Also the latter half of the comments to 41/39a is very relevant. These and similar words cannot be taken at face value unless they are proved.
####009 43/4b: “- - - it (the Quran*) is in "the Mother of the Book", in Our (Allah’s*) presence, high (in dignity) - - -”. This is one of the places in the Quran where Muhammad claims the Quran is taken from (is a copy of) "the Mother Book" in Allah’s own home/Heaven. But no book containing hundreds of mistakes, hundreds of contradictions, hundreds of loose claims and statements, lots of invalid logic, lots of invalid “signs” and lots of invalid “proofs” easy for anybody with good and wide education too see through, hundreds of places with unclear language, etc., is copied from a revered Mother Book, high in dignity and esteem, in the perfect Heaven, the home of and by a perfect, omnipotent and omniscient god. See also 13/39,43/4, 85/21-22.
###010 43/4c: "- - - the Mother of Books (from which the Quran is copied according to the Quran*), in Our (Allah's*) Presence, high (in dignity) - - -". No book with so much wrong like the Quran is cherished by a god - or held high in dignity by any god - not even by a baby dwarf god hidden in a cradle in remote corner. Something is seriously wrong.
011 43/5a: "- - - the Message - - -". The Quran (and Muhammad's teaching of it). It is a message - but the great question is: From whom?. As no god is involved in a book where so much is wrong, contradicting itself and/or reality, etc., there remain 3 possibilities: Dark forces, a sick brain (f.x. TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy), or one or more scheming brain(s) - or a combination of f.x. 2 of these.
To say that a book of this quality is from a god is wrong - no god ever was involved in the Quran and all its mistakes, contradictions, etc. #####It is heresy, an insult and slander to blame a book of that quality on a god, not to mention a claimed omniscient god. And to say that a book with such a moral code, etc. is from a good and benevolent god is as wrong.
##012 43/6: “But how many were the prophets We (Allah*) sent amongst the people of the old?” Well, Hadith says 124ooo - and it is not true, because so many had had to leave some traces, but there is not one.
Besides: With so many different people so many different places in the world - why was there no other prophet any place in the world at the time of Muhammad - yes, none at all for centuries before Muhammad? According to the time scale of Genesis and the Torah and the Bible which the Quran does not correct (6ooo - 7ooo (ca. 6600?) years) since Adam, and 124ooo prophets, it should mean hundreds or a few thousands prophets for each generation. Even if we recon the age of Homo Sapience - Modern Man - which is between 160ooo and 200ooo years, it should mean some 20 prophets for Islam each generation through all those times. And more than 600 each generation if on uses the time scales of the Bible or the Quran Not one is known.
And: Islam’s explanation for why Allah wanted new holy books on Earth now and then, is that the world changes, and then some details in the holy book needs adjusting. Why then is Muhammad said to be the last one? – and the Quran to be the last book, a book that is too inhuman, too primitive on justice, and too outdated on warfare (too destructive) for modern societies, just to mention 3 subjects. The world has changed MUCH more between Muhammad and now, than between Adam and Muhammad, and man needs new instruction for a less inhuman world - and an omniscient god had known that on beforehand. Besides: If the claimed "Mother Book" is from long before the origin of man, and timeless and eternal - how can exact copies from it vary?
013 43/6-8: “But how many were the prophets We (Allah*) sent (a rhetoric question as Hadith tells there were at least 124ooo*) amongst the peoples of the old? But never came there a prophet to them but they mocked him. So we destroyed them (the mocking people*) - - -”. With this many prophets (124ooo+ according to Hadiths), Allah must have destroyed billions. The expression “wholesale slaughter” is insignificant in the extreme here. Yahweh in OT is hardly a baby in this competition.
Another point is that the claim is not true. Most of the old Jewish prophets were respected, not mocked. (There were many more prophets than the ones named in the Bible, and the ones mentioned there, mainly were the ones who happened to come in opposition to powers, and thus part of - often moral - strife.)
014 43/8: "- - - stronger in power than these (Muhammad's opposition*) - - -". When Muhammad tells about people he claims Allah has destroyed, you will normally find that he adds that those people were stronger and richer than the Arabs not wanting Islam - this to strengthen his tale and strengthen the impression of Allah's claimed power - and his warning towards the skeptics and the pep-talk value for his followers.
015 43/9e: "(Allah*) the Exalted in Power - - -". A nice claim, but he never clearly has proved this power.
016 43/9f: “(Allah is*) full of Knowledge - - -”. Not if the Quran is representative for his knowledge. Also see 13/1g and 40/75 above.
017 43/9g: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 26/83a above.
#018 43/10a: “(Allah*) has made for you the earth - - -". See 11/7a, 21/56c, 41/15f above and 65/12 below.
#019 43/10c: “- - - and (Allah*) has made for you roads - - -”. We have never heard about a road made by a god, except perhaps in fairy tales. The paths/roads in Arabia were so old that no one remembered the start of them, and then Muhammad could tell things like this. But it is obviously not true. Similar claim in 16/15. Just for the record: This - like so much more in the Quran - is not from the Bible.
020 43/11a: "(Allah*) sends down - - - rain - - -". There are very many cases like this in the Quran, where Muhammad claims his god makes the natural phenomena - just like the same phenomena is claimed for many a relevant pagan god like Allah/al-Lah was originally. Muhammad never proves such claims - it only is loose words resting on nothing. Also see 11/7a above.
021 43/11c: “- - - We (Allah*) rise to life therewith (with rain*) a land that is dead - - -.” Wrong. If water is all it takes, the land only looks dead – it is alive with seeds and roots. Any god knows.
#022 43/12b: "- - - (Allah*) created - - - all things - - -”. This interesting claim you find several places in the Quran - interesting because neither Muhammad nor Allah ever was able to prove one millimeter of this claim, whereas Yahweh proved his power both for creation and recreation - - - if either the Quran or the Bible tells the truth on this point (f.x. 1. Kings 17/22, 2. Kings 4/34-35, Matt. 27/52, Mark 5/41, Luke 7/15, John 11/44, Acts 9/40, Acts 20/10, and the Quran 5/110i).
023 43/13c: "- - - we (humans*) could never have accomplished this (see 43/12d+e*) (by ourselves) - - -". Well, boats and ships were designed and made by men so far back in the past, that we really do not know when the first log was burnt and axed to become a boat. And cattle was tamed by man - not by gods - may be some 15ooo years ago and later (the camel f.x. around 3500 - 2000 BC, one does not know more exactly. But THE DROMEARY - THE ARAB CAMEL - DID NOT COME INTO WIDE USE UNTIL AROUND 1OOO-900 BC (around the time of King Solomon), and even later in North Arabia and further north (when the Assyrians started trade with South Arabia and discovered the value of the camel as a transport animal around 600 - 800 BC) - essential information concerning Abraham, who lived around 2000 - 1800 BC, and northwest from Arabia).
Added 5. Apr. 2013 AD: Quoted from the Scandinavian newspaper Aftenposten published today, where professor emeritus (in physics) Redvald Skullerud says: "(It is claimed that Abraham*) used camels for transport some 1200 years before the camel was introduced as a transport animal in the area when the Assyrians started trade with South Arabia". As you see it is an accepted scientific fact that even though the dromedary was domesticated and somewhat used in South Arabia, it was not introduced further north until a long time - 1ooo+ years - after Abraham, and then as a transport animal. To use it as a riding animal came even later. And without the camel, it would be impossible for Abraham to go back and forth between Canaan and the dry desert valley where Mecca later came - crossing rough and forbidding big deserts. Abraham's claimed connection to Mecca is an impossibility.
024 43/14a: “And to our Lord (Allah*), surely, must we turn back (at the Day of Doom*).” With at least 2ooo+ mistakes, etc. in the Quran, this may be wrong, too - see 41/10 and 41/12. For sure it is not sure that we meet Allah - if any god at all - after this life. Also see 19/68 – 62/8.
025 43/15b: "Truly - - -". Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim. See 2/2b above.
026 43/16b: "What! Has He (Allah*) taken daughters out of what He himself creates, and granted to you (Arabs*) sons for choice?" In the old Arabia daughters had so low esteem that Muhammad could use this as an argument (a standing Islam took over) - a god impossibly could want daughters! But many places is the world women were not reckoned to be that invalid (actually not many places the world over was as bad for women as in Mecca and a few other places), and some places they even were valuable - matriarchates or valuable as brides (= money to the parents many places) or as partners for the man in the toil for the daily food. Islam claims Allah is god for the entire world. Would a universal god use arguments which would not be universally understood? - here simply an Arabism - (this is far from the only such case where mainly Arabs would understand the point).
027 43/19c: "- - - evidence - - -". Muhammad wanted proofs form all opponents, but never - never - proved anything of any consequence himself. The entire Quran and the entire Islam are built only on loose words and claims - But Muhammad demanded and Islam demands proofs from everyone else.Also beware that both Muhammad, the Quran, Muslims, and Islam frequently are very "free" and "generous" with the use of words like "evidence", "proof", etc. A proof is "one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". This - that they build on proved facts - very far from is the case for many Islamic "proofs", etc.
REMEMBER THIS: THE QURAN - AND ISLAM AND MUSLIMS - IS VERY "LIBERAL" WITH USING WORDS LIKE EVIDENCE, PROOF, SIGN (INDICATED TO BE PROOFS), ETC. IT IS SYMPTOMATIC THAT F.X. NOT ONE OF THE CLAIMED SIGNS OR PROOFS FOR ALLAH IN THE QURAN IS VALID - "A PROOF IS ONE OR MORE PROVED FACTS WHICH CAN GIVE ONLY ONE CONCLUTION", AND NEITHER THE QURAN, NOR ISLAM, NOR MUSLIMS, EVER PROVE THAT IT REALLY WAS ALLAH WHO WAS/IS BEHIND WHAT IS CLAIMED TO BE THE PROOF FOR HIM, AND THUS MORE THAN ONE CONCLUTION IS POSSIBLE. THERE IS NO EXCEPTION FROM THIS NEITHER IN THE QURAN NOR IN THE HADITHS.
###028 43/19d: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) will be called to account!" By whom? As the Quran is not from any god, it is highly unlikely that the old pagan god al-Lah really (or Hubal? (see second part of 1/1d)) is a real god, renamed Allah or not.
029 43/20d: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 26/83a above.
##030 43/20e: "They (non-Muslims*) do nothing but lie!" A clear statement - but is it true? There are so many claims and statements in the Quran which are not true. Besides it is a peculiar complaint from the religion of al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), "war is deceit" - and everything is war, not to mention "break even your oaths if that gives a better result" (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2). And do not forget that the majority of Muslims today believe because of "taqlid" - uncritical acceptance of their fathers' claims about the reliability of the Quran.
At least clear words for your money about what non-Muslims are worth.
031 43/21a: "Have We (Allah*) given them (pagan Arabs) a Book - - -". Allah has never given anyone a book, if the Quran is a sample - no god ever delivered a "holy" book full of wrong facts, other errors, contradictions, etc.
032 43/21b: "Have We (Allah*) given them (pagan Arabs) a Book before this - - -". Muhammad treats the possession of a book like a definite proof - a claimed holy book = proof. But any god had known better - a book (also a Quran) is as easy to falsify or fill with mistakes, as is a verbal tale. Who made the Quran?"
###033 43/22c: "We (non-Muslims*) found our fathers following a certain religion, and we do guide ourselves by their footsteps". This also is the reason for why most Muslims believe in Islam: Their parents and others have made them believe it is the truth - no real proof has been given them (because such proofs simply have never existed). And few if any Muslim have ever checked if what their fathers believed, could be true. = "Taqlid".
###034 43/23a: "- - - whenever We (Allah*) sent a Warner - - -". If Allah sent warners, not one of them has left any trace on earth. The only possible exception is Muhammad, but all the errors, contradictions, etc. proves that the Quran was from no god, and thus that Muhammad did not represent a god.
###035 43/23b: (A43/23): “Rezi (one of the foremost Muslim scholars through the times*) says: ‘Had there been in the Quran nothing but these verses (43/20-24*), they would have sufficed to show the falsity of the principle postulating blind, unquestioning (by a Muslim) adoption of (another person’s) religious opinions (“ibtal al-qawl bi’t-raqlid”) - - -‘”.
If he had indicated Islam and the fathers and/or the imams, it hardly would be possible to say this more accurate. Islam is to a very large degree based on indoctrination, social and judicial pressure, and glorification of blind belief + even physical threats if you ask "wrong" questions, air a "wrong" fact, or leave the religion.
##036 43/24b: "Even if I (a self proclaimed prophet in Muhammad's tradition*) brought you (non-Muslims - here pagan Arabs most likely*) a better guidance than that which ye found your fathers following". The Quran is not better than the religion of the old pagan Arabs on the main point: None of them really represented gods - this included Islam, as it is built on a book so full of errors and worse, that no god ever was involved in its making. As for details, the Quran was/is a little better morally on a few points, but worse on others - like the nearly deification of raids and wars mainly for riches, slaves, power and forcing (by weapons or pressure) the new religion on others.
Irony: Islam has for many generations been based on taqlid = uncritical acceptance of their fathers’ claims concerning religion.
037 43/25a: "So We (Allah*) exacted retribution from them (non-Muslims*) - - -". One of the nearly legion never proved claims and tales in the Quran - and not possible unless Allah existed and was something supernatural, white or dark.
038 43/25b: "- - - now see what was the end of those who rejected (truth)". This refers to different ruins, empty houses, etc. in and around Arabia. Muhammad claimed - as normal for him without any proof - that they all were empty because Allah had punished its former inhabitants with death because of sins. Believe it if you want - but science has other explanations.
039 43/26-28: Abraham's claimed disagreement with his father and others is not from the Bible - the only perhaps reliable source about Abraham, as the Quran clearly is from no god - too many mistakes, etc. (also no serious scientist uses material older than 610 AD from the Quran (or may be + a little from the aborted attack on Mecca ca. 570 BC)). We especially mention that in the Bible there is no indication neither for that his father was a pagan, nor for that there was disagreement between them (1. Mos. 11/27-32). From where did Muhammad get this "information", as it was not from a god?
040 43/27a: "- - - Him (Allah*) who made me (Abraham*) - - -". This interesting claim that Allah created the humans you meet many places in the Quran. The reason why it is interesting, is that neither Muhammad nor Allah ever was able to prove anything about creation, whereas Yahweh proved his power on that point many times - if either the Quran or the Bible tells the truth about just that (f.x. 1. Kings 17/22, 2. Kings 4/34-35, Matt. 27/52, Mark 5/41, Luke 7/15, John 11/44, Acts 9/40, Acts 20/10, and the Quran 5/110i).
041 43/27b: "- - - He (Allah*) will certainly guide me (Abraham*) - - -". Allah could guide nobody unless he existed and was something supernatural.
042 43/27e: "- - - guide - - -". True guiding is impossible if the guidebook is something similar to the Quran with all its errors, etc.
043 43/28: "And he (Abraham*) left it (the words in 43/26-27*) as a Word to endure among those who came after him - - -". Wrong. For one thing there is no indication for that Abraham ever said so - there is not a word about religious disagreement here in the Bible. For another: They definitely did not endure "among those who came after him" - they were known to neither his descendants nor others until Muhammad dictated them, claiming they were old words.
044 43/29a: “- - - the Truth (the Quran*) - - -”. That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. See 13/1g, 40/75 above. Actually all the errors, etc. prove beyond any reasonable and unreasonable doubt that something is seriously wrong.
045 43/29b: “- - - a Messenger (Muhammad*) making things clear.” No messenger preaching what is in the Quran or similar, makes things clear – too many mistakes and too much unclear logic, unclear texts, etc.
########But more essential just here, is that the Quran tells/means that Muhammad's words/the Quran makes things clear. This means that according to the Quran its words and explanations are clear and literal and to the point. In other words: The Quran here tells that its texts are clear and to be understood like what is said = literally - not hidden meanings you have to search for, and if you find them hope you guess the meaning correctly. The Quran several places tells this: Its texts are clear and to be understood literally if nothing else is said. Remember this every time Muslims try to flee from errors or difficult points in the Quran by claiming the texts do not mean what they say, but are parables or something.
046 43/30a: “- - - the Truth (the Quran*) - - -”. That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. Actually all the mistakes, contradictions, etc., and even at least a few lies in the Quran proves it at best is only partly true. See 13/1g, 40/75 and 42/12 above.
047 43/30d: "This is sorcery, and we (non-Muslims*) do reject it". They most likely were wrong in that it was sorcery - sorcery demands supernatural power. But likely they were right at rejecting it (Islam*) as the Quran with all its errors, etc. was not from a god - and with all its terrors definitely not from a good and benevolent one.
048 43/32a: "- - - the two (chief) cities - - -". At that time (ca. 616 - 619 AD) Mecca and Ta'if. But NB: These were only local chief cities. For a universal god the really chief cities were around the Mediterranean Sea, and in f.x. Persia, China, and Middle and South America. There also were a few in Africa. But for some reason or other Allah(?) did choose the small local ones in Arabia. Believe it if you want to.
049 43/32b: "It is We (Allah*) who portions out between them their livelihood in the life of this World". Everything you have and get are, gifts from Allah - your own thinking and planning and work and toil are little relevant in the Quran. Never proved. Also see 43/32c just below.
050 43/32d: "- - - the Mercy of thy (Muslims') Lord (Allah*) - - -". Read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code, the unjust and/or immoral parts of the sharia laws, plus the Quran's rules for murders, suppression, rape, enslavement, war, etc., and sum up Allah's real level of mercy. Nice words are cheap, reality is reliable.
051 43/32e: "- - - the Mercy of thy (Muslims') Lord (Allah*) is better than the (wealth) which they amass". This only can - can - be true if Allah exists and is a god (if he f.x. exists and belongs to the dark forces, the picture will be totally different - and not much less so if the Quran is man-made (the most likely explanation), and especially so if there somewhere exists a real god, not to mention if that god is a good and benevolent one not liking followers of harsh war and discrimination religions. Like in the NT.)
052 43/33a: "And were it not - - -". There are numerous claims like this in the Quran - but it "never were" or "Allah never wanted", etc. Like boasting from children, youths, and immature persons. In normal language such behavior normally is called bluffing. See 14/19a above.
053 43/33c: "- - - blasphemes against (Allah) - - -". It is not possible to blaspheme against Allah unless he exists and in addition is a god, none of which is proved.
054 43/35b: "- - - the Hereafter - - - is for the Righteous (good Muslims*)". But are the good Muslims really "the Righteous"? If you compare even the most "righteous" of Muhammad's people to the moral codes of any normal religion, or to "do unto others like you want others do unto you" (which f.x. "sums up the Law and the Prophets" according to Jesus in Matt. 7/12), quite a lot of them were far - very far - from righteousness. When you then know the Muslims have their partly immoral moral code from a book with no connection to a god, there are reasons for second thoughts.
055 43/36a: "- - - (Allah) Most Gracious - - -". See 1/1a above.
##056 43/36b: "- - - We (Allah*) appoint for him (one who has left Islam*) a Satan, to be an intimate companion to him". And this is pretended to be the same god who tells about "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the lost sheep" (Matt. 18/12-14), "the lost son" (Luke 15/11-31), "the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8-13), etc.?! Only this verse in the Quran is enough to prove 100% that Yahweh is a different - and a very different - god from Allah. And then there are all the other serious differences - f.x. something as prosaic as the enormously different Paradises.
##057 43/37b: "Such (satans) really hinder them from the Path, but they think that they are being guided aright!" This is one of the really thought provoking verses in the Quran, when you think over the many horrible, immoral, and unjust moral and other rules you find in the Quran - rules Muslims honestly believe are glorious, because they have been taught so by their parents and mullahs and others. The same verses which make people from almost any other culture unable quite to let go the suspicion that the real maker of the Quran are some dark forces - plural or singular - - - or dark wishes from Muhammad.
114 43/37d: "- - - the Path - - -". The road to the Quran's and Islam's paradise - see 10/9f above.
###058 43/37e: (YA4639): "The downward course in evil is rapid. But the most tragic consequence is that evil persuades its victims to believe that they are pursuing good. They think evil to be their good. They go deeper and deeper into the mire, and become more and more callous." Think of the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code, the unethical parts of its ethical code, the unjust parts of its laws, the inhuman parts of its war code (compare all of it to the one and only main moral code "do onto others like you want others do onto you", and you easily see the immoral, etc. parts) - is this point describing Muslims?
059 43/38b: "Evil is the Companion - - -". Remember that the moral and ethical codes in the Quran at points are so special, that you can be very evil - not obeying Muhammad, fleeing from battle, etc., etc., etc. - according to the Quran, and all the same be reckoned to be very good by normal codes and religions - f.x. by Yahweh, especially in his New Covenant (f.x. Luke 22/20).
060 43/38c: "Evil - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.
061 43/39a: "- - - wrong - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. The irony is that when used in the Quran the claim that something is wrong, often is wrong.
062 43/40d: "- - - error - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. But also see 2/2b above.
063 43/42b: "- - - promised - - -". There is not one documented case of Allah giving someone a promise, not to mention keeping it. Islam in case had let absolutely nobody miss that piece of information.
064 43/42c: "- - - verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See f.x. 2/2b or 42/33c above.
065 43/42d: "- - - verily We (Allah*) shall prevail over them (non-Muslims*)". Only if Allah exists and is a major god - - - and only if they do not believe in an existing god - f.x. Yahweh, whom both the Bible and the Quran claim exists (even though the Quran wrongly mixes him with Allah).
066 43/43b: “- - - the Revelation - - -.” Is it a revelation? And in case from whom? – not from an omniscient god (too many mistakes, etc.) and neither from a good god (too inhuman, too dishonest, too bloody). But perhaps from a dark power in disguise? – or from humans? – or even from Muhammad himself?
067 43/43d: "- - - verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See f.x. 2/2b and 42/33c above.
068 43/44a: “The (Quran) is indeed the message, for thee (Muhammad*) and for thy people - - -". Definitely not from any god – too much is wrong. Or if it after all is a message – from whom?
069 43/45a: “And question thou Our (Allah’s*) messengers whom We sent before thee (Muhammad*); did We appoint any deity other than (Allah) Most Gracious, to be worshipped?” Allah or Yahweh for the Biblical ones? (In spite of what the Quran says, it is not the same god unless the god is schizophrenic – the teachings are fundamentally too different. Islam tries to explain away – without documentation like normal for Islam – the differences with claims that the Bible is falsified, but science has long since showed that it is not true - and Islam has proved it even stronger. There may be a limited number of mistakes in that book, too – though much less than in the Quran - but no falsifications.
In plain words: Allah did not appoint any deity - he never even has documented power to do so. But according to the old books there at least was Yahweh, though instead of, not in addition to Allah (Allah as said has never reliably proved his very existence even).
070 43/46c: "- - - Our Signs - - -". Allah's or Yahweh's? - the two are not the same god in spite of the Quran's many, but never proved claims - only claims and words. Too different teachings - and no falsified Bible according to science, and also according to Islam's silence about proofs for falsifications.
###071 43/48b: (A43/41): "The concept of 'returning' to Allah implies that the instinctive ability to perceive His (Allah's*) existence is inherent in human nature as such - - -". #####Scientifically this is nonsense and gobbledygook. No such "instinctive ability" has ever been found - not even a shadow of it. One has found that a minor percentage has a longing for something strong to lean to - a god. But nothing more - no "ability to perceive" a god. But Islam is built on absolutely nothing - only on never proved words and claims from a man of doubtful character, but with a liking for power and women - and needs dogmas like this. True or not true does not matter very much, as al-Taqiyyas (lawful lies) and Kitmans (lawful half-truths) are not only permitted, but advised to use "if necessary" for defending or advancing the religion
- Islam sometimes is a bit "special" when it comes to honesty.
But what happens to Muslims if there is a next life and a real god?
072 43/49c: "- - - for we (Pharaoh Ramses II*) shall truly accept guidance - - -". One thing is that nothing like this is in the Bible. Another thing is: How likely is it that Ramses II - probably the mightiest Pharaoh ever - said things like this about the god of a bunch of slaves?
073 43/51d: "- - - (witness) these streams underneath my (Ramses II's*) (palace) - - -". There is found no palace in Egypt - neither from Ramses II, nor from any other - under which there were rivers or even brooks.
074 43/53: "Then why are not gold bracelets bestowed on him (Moses*), or (why) come (not) with him angels accompanying him in procession?" These were questions Muhammad got from skeptics, and it is remarkable how eager Muhammad was to project his own position in life and his own problems, into the claimed lives of earlier prophets or claimed prophets - ways "telling" his followers and others that his problems were normal ones for prophets, and thus that he was a normal prophet. That the above topics are not mentioned in the Bible at all, did not matter - he got a little legitimating from it.
075 43/54b: "- - - truly were they (the people of Egypt*) a people rebellious (against Allah). (Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim*.)" Allah was not a known god in Egypt around 1235 BC. You cannot rebel against something or someone you do not even know about. (Though of course Muhammad here meant Yahweh, and wrongly mixed him with Allah. But Yahweh was a different kind of a god.)
076 43/55: “- - - We (Allah*) drowned them all (= Pharaoh Ramses II and his people*).” At least Ramses II himself did not drown. He did not die from drowning, and he did not die until several years later. A main reason why Muslims want the Exodus to have happened much earlier - under pharaohs we do not know how died. But science is in little doubt - f.x. Encyclopedia Britannica does not write such things unconditionally, if they are not sure.
Another juicy fact is that according to the Bible it was Yahweh who did this, not Allah.
##077 43/56: “And We (Allah*) made them a people of the past - - -”. Wrong. Neither Ramses II nor the people of Egypt became a people of the past around the year 1235 BC (the approximate year of the possible Exodus, according to science). That did not happen until much later – and the final doom came in 659 AD when the Arabs under Mu’awiya conquered the country and took over - forever (?). Muslims like to “explain” that “a people” mean the soldiers of Pharaoh. But the expression “a people” has a wider meaning than that.
078 43/57: "- - - (Jesus) the son of Mary - - -". This is a name for Jesus often used in the Quran and Islam. What is sure is that it is a name never used for him when he lived. See 5/110a above.
##079 43/59b: “He (Jesus*) was no more than a servant - - -”. Possible. But there is still the funny fact that thousands according to the Bible heard him call Yahweh “father”. Whereas only one man - and a man of very questionable character and ethics, claims the opposite - and this even a man who had much to gain from Jesus being not the son of God. And he claimed it as much as 600 years later without any kind of documentation. Muhammad had to reduce Jesus - if not he himself could not be the greatest of prophets, and his religion impossibly could compete with Christianism if Jesus was not reduced.
###080 43/59c: "- - - We (Allah*) made him (Jesus) an example - - -". According to the Bible, the god of Jesus was Yahweh, and in a way worse for the Quran: We are now on safe historical ground. It is well documented that the god of the Jews at this time was Yahweh - and that the religion at this time was so strong among the Jews, that Jesus had gotten few followers if he tried to talk about a known pagan god, al-Lah, from a neighboring country. Not to mention that if he had tried to mix him with Yahweh, the establishment had had him executed much earlier. The claim that a god with a teaching like in the Quran was dominant in Israel, was and is not only contradicted by the Bible, but historically wrong. Also see 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always uses instead of proofs.
#####081 43/59d: "- - - We (Allah*) made him (Jesus) an example to the Children of Israel". (YA4660): "A reference to the limited mission of Jesus, who’s Gospel to the Jews only survives in uncertain fragmentary forms". We do not think this merits any comment, but quote it to show a sample of what Muslims are told even today. Remember here that al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), etc. not only are permitted, but advised "if necessary" when defending or promoting Islam.
There are large quantities of secular scientists in the west and in the rest of the world - and to real scientists dishonest means of working or arguments are an absolute NO. They do not doubt that the Gospels are the original ones and the complete ones, except for minor errors normal when manuscripts are copied by hand. Islam will have to prove and not only claim their words. This even more so as there are so many mistaken facts and other errors in the Quran, that also the claim that the Gospels are falsified, is proved wrong.
Well, we may as well quote Matt. 28/19-20: "- - - go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you".
That much for "the limited mission of Jesus". His teaching also was extremely different from the one of Muhammad - far from the same god or the same religion.
082 43/60b: “And if it were our (Allah’s*) Will, We could make angels from amongst you (non-Muslims*) - - -.” Then why not? - it had been a much more efficient way of saving the souls of people - if Muhammad spoke the truth - than self proclaimed prophets, terror and war. But may be Muhammad bluffed?
083 43/60c: “And if it were our (Allah’s*) Will, We could make angels from amongst you, succeeding each other on the earth". Remember this next time you read in the Quran Muhammad explaining that Allah cannot send angels to Earth as proof for a god, because that will mean it is the Day of Doom. To send angels only depended on Allah's will, not on the Day of Doom.
084 43/61c: "- - - have no doubt about the (Hour) - - -". The end of humanity will come one day. But there are good reasons for doubts about how and when. That it will be like claimed in a book overflowing of errors, is highly doubtful.
085 43/61e: "- - - follow ye (people/Muslims/Muhammad?) Me (Allah*) - - -". Normally it is not advisable to follow someone who has nothing to show for his big and incredible words, but claims + demands for blind belief - and especially so when the self proclaimed messenger is a person of doubtful moral even according to his own religion's books, and on top of all is believing in the use of dishonesty and deceit and even broken words/promises/oaths - - - and liking power, riches for more power - and women.
086 43/62: "Let not Satan hinder you (to reach the god*) - - -". Again we are touching this impolite, but - if supernatural beings exist - not impossible theory: Are the dark forces/Satan the real creator of the Quran? Parts of f.x its moral, ethical, war, and judicial codes after all may indicate this. And if Iblis/the Devil dressed up like Gabriel, Muhammad had not the slightest chance to see the difference.
###As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never mentioned in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from an angel, and even a central one, this had been such a strong agument, that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?
087 43/63b: "- - - Jesus came with Clear Signs - - -". If either the Bible or the Quran or both are correct on this point, Jesus did a number of miracles proving his connection to something supernatural. Muhammad never did anything but claiming this and that for his god, never proving anything at all. There is a huge and qualitative difference between those two facts.
The trouble is that Jesus' miracles according to the after all much more reliable source (according to scientific ways of evaluating sources) the Bible, proved Jesus and Yahweh, not Jesus and Allah. Remember here that it is possible to prove from written, non-religious sources that for one thing the god of the Jews at the time of Jesus was Yahweh, and for another thing it is possible to prove from the same sources, that no god of war like Allah and no religion like Islam, and no book like the Quran, existed anywhere in the Roman Empire or the rest of the middle east at that time. The Quran provably is wrong when it makes such claims.
###088 43/63c: “(Jesus said*): therefore fear Allah - - -”. As said before: If Jesus had been a missionary for the known polytheistic god al-Lah from a not too far of country, he for one thing had got very few followers in the at that time strictly monotheistic Israel, and for another thing he had been killed by the clergy long time before - especially if he all the same got a big following like he really got. This is a tale told by someone who knew the religious and political situation in Israel around year 30 AD badly. Besides it are historical facts that the god of the Jews at that time, was Yahweh, and that the teaching had very little to do with the one in the Quran. Also see 43/63b just above.
089 43/64a: “(Jesus said): For Allah, He is my Lord and your Lord - - -”. See 43/63a and 43/63b above. We may add that starters of new religions or sects often try to “high-jack” well known persons or situations to use it in their teachings. This may look like such a case.
090 43/65a: "But sects from among themselves (the followers of Jesus) fell into disagreement - - -". Muhammad here claims that because of sectarism, the clean Islam of Jesus was forgotten and falsified into Christianism. Just this verse we think needs absolutely no comments, especially as science - and also Islam - long since has proved that Muhammad's never proved claim that the Bible was falsified, is a made up one - a false one to use the ironic, but correct word. And also because we now are into historical times and have historical knowledge and indications for how the religions were - nether the Mosaic, nor the early Christian one had or have any similarity to Islam.
Remember here that it is possible to prove from written, non-religious sources that for one thing the god of the Jews at the time of Jesus was Yahweh, and for another thing it is possible to prove from the same sources that no god of war like Allah and no religion like Islam or a book similar to the Quran, existed anywhere in the Roman Empire or the rest of the middle east at that time. The Quran provably is wrong when it claims Jesus was a Muslim and as wrong when it claims he preached Islam - a religion VERY different from the provably never falsified NT.
091 43/65c: "- - - wrongdoers - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral and unethical moral and ethical codes.
092 43/67c: "- - - Righteous - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral and unethical moral and ethical codes.
093 43/68b: "No fear shall be on you (Muslims*) that day, nor shall ye grieve - - -". One more of the Qurans very many never proved claims. They may be true if Allah exists and is a god, and if the Quran has told the full truth and only the truth about him.
094 43/69b: “- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.
095 43/70a: “Enter ye the Garden, ye and your wives - - -". This sentence tells a little - or a lot - about the Quran's view on women. (But what if not both are qualified for Paradise - or not for the same quality/part of the paradise? - according to Hadiths there are at least 4 or 6 gardens in Paradise, one better than the other, plus the higher Heavens.
096 43/70-71: “Enter ye the Garden, ye and your wives, in (beauty and) rejoicing. To them will be passed round, dishes and goblets of gold: there will be all that the souls could desire, all that the eyes could delight in - - -”. Like the richest ones in Arabia – and with plenty of fruits to eat according to 43/73. Is earthlike luxury (and sex) all an omnipotent god has to offer in his Paradise?
One of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, their paradises had been the same one.
097 43/71-73: What an empty paradise - all is about earth-like luxury (+ lots of sex for the men), etc. What a difference to Yahweh's Paradise where you "are like the angels" (Luke 20/36). The same god? - impossible with so different Paradises (in addition to all the other differences). The differences of the paradises is one of the absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same line of anything of any essence.
098 43/71: "- - - ye (good Muslims*) shall abide therein (Paradise*) (for aye)". But 11/108c indicates that it may not be quite forever. (In the Bible it is very clear that Paradise is forever.)
099 43/72b: "- - - (good) deeds (in life)". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral and unethical moral and ethical codes. As you understand, also your deeds are more essential in the Quran than in especially NT. Good for Muhammad and other leaders, as it is an argument for obeisance and will to do things.
Also remember that a "good deed" in a war religion - not to mention in a religion of claimed "holy wars" - may be something very different from in "normal" religions.
100 43/74a: "The sinners - - -". Remember here that the sinners in a war religion may be different persons - and cover different acts - from in normal religions. No-one who has ever read the surahs from Medina with an open mind, doubts that Islam is a war religion. (To call it "the religion of peace" simply is an al-Taqiyya - a lawful lie - to defend and/or promote the religion.)
101 43/74b: "- - - to dwell therein (Hell*) (for aye) - - -". There are several verses in the Quran which may indicate that it is not quite forever - f.x. 6/128c and 11/107b (and 11/108a may indicate the same for Paradise). Also see 51/13a above. (In the Bible it is very clear that also Hell is forever.)
102 43/76a: "Nowise shall We (Allah*) be unjust to them (sinners) - - -". Sending persons to Hell itself is unjust in most cases - very few have made so big sins that they deserve such an inhuman and sadistic and everlasting punishment.
103 43/76b: "- - - it is they (the sinners*) who have been unjust themselves". How is that possible if it is true what the Quran tells again and again: Allah predestines absolutely everything, and he does it according to a Plan impossible to change. How can a person be unjust if he is forced by Allah to do everything he does? (This is one of the dark spots in Islam which Islam is unable to explain - and most Muslims evade the question or try different claims. Islam/higher scholars admits it is impossible to understand or explain it, but "it must be true as Allah says so in the Quran" - the ultimate victory for blind belief.
104 43/78a: "Verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See f.x. 42/33c above.
105 43/78b: “Verily, We (Allah*) have brought - - - (the Quran*) - - -”. No god ever produced a book of a quality like the Quran.
106 43/78c: “Verily, We (Allah*) have brought the Truth (the Quran*) - - -”. That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. At most the Quran is partly the truth. See 13/1g and 40/75 above.
107 43/78e: "- - - most of you (have a hatred for the Truth (the Quran*))". The real truth was that a number of them understood that something was seriously wrong with Muhammad's new religion. But Muhammad's claim of course sounded - and sounds - better for his followers.
108 43/79: "But it is We (Allah*) who settles things." = It is Allah who decides anything - the predestinations according to his Plan no-one can change.
109 43/80a: "- - - do they (people) think that We (Allah*) hear not their secrets - - -". Allah sees and hears everything. See 2/233h above.
110 43/80c: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Messengers are by them (people*), to record". Why does an omniscient, predestining god need spies and records?
111 43/81b: “If (Allah) Most Gracious had a son, I (Muhammad*) would be the first to worship”. Some proof!! But for that: There still is Jesus calling Yahweh father. And any neutral professor of history would say that according to all normal rules, the Bible should be more reliable than the Quran as a source of correct history: Very much closer in time to Jesus, thousands of witnesses, many narrators, versus one single narrator without good sources and 600 years later - and even a man of dubious character and with strong motif to reduce Jesus, to become the greatest prophet himself - and a man clearly lusting for power (just read the Quran and the Hadiths - it is easy to see f.x. his gluing himself to the god and platform of power.). A man who definitely had not been accepted as a reliable witness in any country with a reliable judicial system. (The real and historical Muhammad was something quite different from the glossy semi-saint Islam and Muslims claims – a claim made necessary because all Islam only is built on this man’s words - if he lies, the religion is a false one). Also: Science has shown that the never documented Islamic claim about falsification of the Bible is wrong.
112 43/81c: "- - - (Allah) Most Gracious - - -". See 1/1a above.
113 43/82a: "Glory to the Lord (Allah*) - - -". Read 1/1a and see if you think he deserves it - - - if he exists.
114 43/82b: "- - - (Allah*) the Lord of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth - - -". Often claimed, never proved - many gods or their followers make the same or similar claims. Claims are cheap as long as proofs are unnecessary.
115 43/83a: “So leave them (“infidels”*) to babble and play (with their vanities) - - -.” Comments like 42/48 above. And: This verse is contradicted and often “killed” by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 5/73, 8/12, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 29 contradictions).
Also compare this to "the lost sheep", etc. in the Bible! Not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion by far.
116 43/83c. "- - - (Day of Doom and Hell*) which they (non-Muslims*) have been promised". But how much is a promise in a book of a quality and reliability like the Quran, worth?
117 43/84a: "It is He (Allah*) Who is God in heaven and God on earth - - -". Often claimed, never proved. This was just one of those things Muhammad's contemporaries asked for proofs for, but Muhammad never was able to prove anything at all, included this - one of the main reasons for why he glorified blind belief, and for why he talked so much about his claimed, but never proved - and invalid for proofs - "signs" and "proofs".
118 43/84c: “- - - He (Allah*) is full of Wisdom and Knowledge”. See 13/1g, 26/83a, 40/75 above.
119 43/85a: "- - - He (Allah*) to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth - - -". Similar to 43/84a and 43/84b above.
120 43/85d: "- - - to Him (Allah*) shall ye (people*) be brought back (on the Day of Doom)". Often claimed, never proved. Contradicted by the Bible, which says you will be brought back to Yahweh, not to Allah. Also see 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
121 43/86b: “And those whom they invoke (“gods”, saints*) besides Allah have no power of intercession – only he (has*) who bears witness to the Truth (the Quran*) - - -.” If this all the same refers to Allah (see 43/86a just above), the meaning changes to one more of the many never proved claims in the Quran: Allah is the only one with power. A power he in case never has proved.
Another point: That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact.
And there remains the question about f.x. Yahweh. The Quran admits that this old Jewish and Christian god exists, but wrongly mixes him up with Allah.
122 43/86d: “- - - only he (Allah*) who bears witness to the Truth - - -”. Allah can witness nothing unless he exists - and should he happen to belong to the dark forces, his witness is unreliable.
123 43/87a: “If thou (Muhammad or Muslims*) ask them (non-Muslims*), Who created them, they will certainly say, Allah - - -”. Wrong – if they mentioned a god, they would mention their own. (In Arabia this might mean the pagan god al-Lah, whose name sounds similar to Muhammad's revised god Allah - and Allah originally was the pagan god al-Lah, whom Muhammad renamed and dressed up). See f.x. 43/9b - and many others.
124 43/87b: "- - - how then are they (non-Muslims*) deluded away (from the Truth)?" But as the Quran with all its mistakes, etc. is not from a god, Islam may be a false religion. Who are in this case worst deluded?
125 43/87c: “- - - ( - - -the Truth (the Quran*)) - - -.” That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. The Quran at best is only partly true – too much is wrong. Also see 13/1g and 40/75 above.
126 43/88b: "Truly - - -". Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim. See f.x. 2/2b and 42/33c above.
When used in the Quran words like "true", "truth", "truly", "sure" "surety", "surely", "verity", "verily", etc. are claims, not proved facts. Also see 2/2b, 67/9c - a strong one - and as for contradictions to the Bible also 40/20b. Also the latter half of the comments to 41/39a is very relevant. These and similar words cannot be taken at face value unless they are proved.
127 43/88c: "Truly these are people who will not believe". Because they see that something is seriously wrong?
128 43/89a: "But turn away from them (the ones not believing*) - - -". How different from the NT and its "lost sheep", etc. (Luke 15/8-10, Matt. 18/12-14, Luke 15/11-31).Definitely not the same god.
6844 + 128 = 6972 comments.
Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved, normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".
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