1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 41

 

SURAH 41: FUSSIAT (Expounded)

(Mecca, 616-618 AD)

 

001  "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 41/2b: “A revelation (the Quran*) from (Allah) - - -”. No god ever sent down a book of a quality like the Quran. See 38/29a-d and 40/75.

003 41/2c: "- - - (Allah), Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, and the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we always believe in the demands and deeds - words are too cheap to use and disuse. If you want to find the real Muhammad and the real Allah - if he exists - you will have to overlook the cheap, glorious words and claims, and look for what they demanded and did, and what rules and moral and ethical codes they introduced. Deeds, moral codes, etc. tell a reliable truth, glorious words and claims are just that: Cheap words. Even the most brutal and rotten dictator uses words to glorify himself.

#######004 41/3b: “A Book (the Quran*) whereof the verses are explained in detail - - -”. As mention in 41/3a just above, far from enough details are included. But the words at least make it clear that there are no hidden meanings behind them (unless otherwise is specified). This means that when Muslims and Islam explain away mistakes, etc. with that it is not the clear and/or explained meaning which is meant, but some hidden meaning or parable or something behind it, they are wrong. Muslims often try such ways of "explaining" errors, etc. away. Also see 41/3d and 41/3e below

###005 41/3da: "A Book (the Quran*) whereof the verses are explained in detail - - -.” The main and the essential point with this verse, is that it is one of those verses which kills Muslims' nearly innumerable tries to explain away mistakes, etc. by trying to claim it "in reality" means something else than what it is saying - clearly dishonesty for learned Muslims who know better, but not necessarily for the ones who honestly believe what they claim (though it is dishonesty to talk in big letters without checking that what they claim, really is true). Here - and in f.x. 3/7 and 11/1b - is clearly stated that the verses are explained in detail = they are meaning exactly what they say and explain - which often is wrong. By the way: Is it possible for humans to explain things better - or differently - than a god? Also see 41/3b above. 

Anyone wanting to try to “explain” away difficult points like mistakes or invalid logic or contradictions by calling them allegories etc. should read this sentence. It even is written 4 times and thus a solidly cemented and nailed truth: The Quran is to be understood literally, and search for hidden meanings is only for Allah, and such search only is for the ones “in whose hearts is perversity - - -.”

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More down to the Earth: Muslims often explains away mistakes, etc. in the Quran with the claim that what is written there is not what is meant - it is a parable or an allegory or something. A book where they claim you have to guess what is literally meant and what is parables - and what the parables in case mean - definitely is not easy or clear or explained in detail.

######That the Quran tells - directly or indirectly, but clearly - that the texts in the Quran is clear, explained by Allah, and to be understood literally. You find it f.x. these places: 3/7b, 3/138a, 6/114da, 11/1b, 15/1b, 18/1d-e, 18/2a, 19/97b, 20/113b+c, 24/34, 24/54j, 26/2a, 27/1b-d, 28/2, 36/69e, 37/117c, 39/28b, 41/3da, 43/2a, 44/2b-c, 44/58b, 54/17a, 54/22b, 54/32a+b, 54/40a, and 75/19 Worth remembering each time a Muslim or Islam tries to "explain" away errors, etc. by claiming the text means something different from what it says. ####In such cases either the Muslim/Islam lies when he/she claims the text means something different from what it says (the claim often is that it is a parable or something), or the Quran lies when it says that the book uses clear texts where nothing else is indicated.

The listed points are all collected under 3/7b and 44/58b.

Or perhaps Allah is so clumsy and helpless when he explains things, that he needs help from humans to explain what "he really means"? (Nonsense to say the least about such claims lying under such "explanations".)

WHO CAN EXPLAIN SOMETHING BETTER AND MORE CORRECTLY AND COMPLETELY THAN AN OMNISCIENT GOD?

006 41/4a: "Giving Good News - - -". Including mongering in discrimination and war and promoting stealing/robbing, enslaving, terrorism, rape, lying and even breaking of oaths, torturing, murdering and so on. Yes, good news. Though perhaps we should not judge this verse too harshly, as it was made around 616 - 618 AD while the religion still was a rather peaceful one - Muhammad or Allah did not change it to a war religion until from/after 622 AD and Muhammad's flight to Medina. Also see 2/97i and 17/9d above and 61/13 below.

007 41/4b: "- - - Admonition - - -". From a book as full of errors, etc. plus partly immoral moral and ethical codes, etc. as the Quran? - a so miserable quality that it definitely is not from a god is from no god!

008 41/6b: "- - - it has been revealed to me (Muhammad*) by inspiration - - -". To get information by inspiration is a very unreliable way. For one thing even the best person will have problems being sure which of his inspirations really come from an angel, and which from other sources. And for another thing it has to be a man with a strong moral not to be tempted to get "inspirations" solving his personal problems - like Muhammad had them solved several times - - - and neither Muhammad, nor the Quran, nor Islam were/are against lying when there is a reason (al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), breaking of oaths, advocated by Muhammad).

009 41/6d: "- - - your (people's*) God (Allah*) is one God - - -". See 2/165c, 2/255a, 6/106b and 25/18a above 

010 41/6e: "- - - ask for His (Allah's*) Forgiveness". Allah can forgive only if he exists and only if he in addition is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

011 41/6g: "- - - join gods with Allah - - -". See 2/165c, 2/255a, 6/106b and 25/18a above

012 41/6h: (YA4468): "There is nothing but pity for those who reject Truth (the Quran*) - - -". As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god, it at most can be partly the truth - a fact Muslims reject. That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact - much is even provably untrue. Does then this sentence tell something about the Muslims? Are they to be pitied in spite of their partly inhuman and brutal - and made up - religion and thus culture?

013 41/8a: "For those who believe and work deeds of righteousness are a reward that will never fail". True only if Allah exists, if he in addition is a major god, and if the Quran in addition has made no mistakes when describing him.

014 41/8c: "- - - deeds of righteousness - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral and ethical codes.

015 41/9c: “(Allah first*) created the earth in two Days - - -”. Wrong. Earth was far from created first. The universe was created some 13.7 billion years ago – our sun and the Earth some 4.6 billion years ago (or actually 4.567 billion according to the latest numbers) - - - and trillions of stars and most likely plants were created in the more than 9 billion years in between. Any god had known, but Muhammad not. Then who created the Quran?

An extra point: According to 65/12 Allah created no less than 7 (flat) Earths. Hadiths tells they are placed one above the other, are populated(!), and have these names according to Muhammad ibn 'Abd Allah al-Kisa'i:

The 7 Earths, its people, and its "pests":

Ramaka. People: Muwasshim, in everlasting torment and divine retribution. (Earth?)

Khalada. People: Tamis, eating their own flesh, drinking their own blood.

Arqa. People: Qays, eating dirt, drinking mother's milk. Pest: Mule like eagles with spear like tails and poisonous quills.

Haraba. People: Jilla, have no eyes, hands, or feet, but baglike wings. Pest: the snakes of Hell, large as mountains.

Maltham. People: Hajla, eat each other. Pest: carry stones of sulphur around their neck - may burn.

Sijjin. People: Qatat, look like birds, worship Allah. Pest(?): contains the register of Hell.

Ajiba. People: Khasum, black and short, with claws like lions. Pest: Iblis/the Devil lives here (Hell?). Gog and Magog will end here.

And then Hell underneath. 

(As you see included "our Earth, Islam lists 8, but if you recon Ajiba - where Iblis/the Devil lives - to contain Hell, there are 7 + Hell. Or reckon Ramaka to be another name for Earth. We have not found out of this for sure.------------------x) Also see: ###"The Islamic universe. 7 Heavens, 7 Earths, and Hell", under 67/5d below.

According to Hadiths, Hell is lying under this.

(As you see included "our Earth, Islam lists 8, but if you recon Ajiba - where Iblis/the Devil lives - to contain Hell, there are 7 + Hell. Or reckon Ramaka to be another name for Earth. We have not found out of this for sure.) Also see: "The Islamic universe. 7 Heavens, 7 Earths, and Hell", under 67/5d below.

According to f.x. Hadith, Al-Bukhari, they are placed one above the other – easy as the Quran tells Earth is/are flat. The lower down, the more devilish life on the respective "Earth" – and if you are a big enough sinner, you can fall down through them to Hell at the Day of Doom according to Hadiths. It is not necessary to say it is all rubbish. No comments. But also see 65/12c just below.

#####(YA5570):"He (Allah*) Who creates must necessarily know His own handiwork". This is very correct, so when the Quran shows that the maker of that book clearly do not know the reality, ####it is a strong proof for that something is very wrong somewhere.

016 41/9f: "He (Allah*) is the Lord of (all) the Worlds (plural and wrong*)". Often claimed in the Quran, never proved anywhere.

017 41/9h: “- - - (all) the Worlds - - -“. The famous 7 flat Earths of the Quran – one above the other and named, according to f.x. Al-Bukhari. See 65/12 - or 41/9c above.

018 41/9-12d: These verses tell that Allah created the Earth in 2 days, the mountains and everything on Earth in 4 days and finally the heaven (“the seven firmaments” – plural and wrong) in 2 days. 2 + 4 + 2 = 8 days. But:

7/54: “- - - Allah, Who created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth in six Days - - -.”

10/3: “- - -Allah, Who created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth in six Days - - -.”

11/7: “He (Allah*) is it Who created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth in six Days”.

25/59: “He (Allah*) Who created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth and all that is between, in six days - - -.”

50/38: “We (Allah*) created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth and all between them in six Days - - -.”

57/4: “He (Allah*) is it Who created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth in Six Days”.

(6 contradictions. It also contradicts reality, which tells that the creation of Earth took millions of years).

##(YA5570):"He (Allah*) Who creates must necessarily know His own handiwork". This is very correct, so when the Quran shows that the maker of that book clearly do not know the reality, ####it is a strong proof for that something is very wrong somewhere.

019 41/10d: "- - - (Allah do*) give them (all living beings*) nourishment - - -". According to the Quran everything are gifts from Allah. Does nature do and make nothing? - and your own work?

020 41/11c: “Come ye (Earth and sky*) together - - -”. Earth and sky never were separated in two or more parts which then could come together. (Islam tries to explain that what is meant is gas, mainly H2 – hydrogen. But hydrogen – or other gases - has nothing to do with smoke – any god had known. (Smoke = micro particles (normally from oxidation) floating in gas – without the micro particles no smoke)).

##(YA5570):"He (Allah*) Who creates must necessarily know His own handiwork". This is very correct, so when the Quran shows that the maker of that book clearly do not know the reality, ####it is a strong proof for that something is very wrong somewhere.

###021 41/11d: “He (Allah*) said to it (the sky) and the earth: ’Come ye together - - -’”. The sky as we see it by day is just an optical illusion that is a result of the refraction - bending - of light in the rarefied upper atmosphere - it is blue because blue light bends the least. It simply is physical laws at work - there is no question of “coming together” (and physically impossible).

The night sky is another optical illusion - the day sky and the night sky are not even “made” in the same way. Here we see a "sky" because we are unable to see 3 dimensions at those distances. At night it is if possible even more wrong to talk about things coming together. Any god knew this. Muhammad believed in the local wrong astronomy. Who composed the Quran?

##(YA5570):"He (Allah*) Who creates must necessarily know His own handiwork". This is very correct, so when the Quran shows that the maker of that book clearly do not know the reality, ####it is a strong proof for that something is very wrong somewhere.

022 41/11e: "They (the sky and the Earth*) said - - -". Animism - or really anthropomorphism - things you normally find in more primitive religions or in legends and fairy tales.

##(YA5570):"He (Allah*) Who creates must necessarily know His own handiwork". This is very correct, so when the Quran shows that the maker of that book clearly do not know the reality, ####it is a strong proof for that something is very wrong somewhere.

023 41/11f: “They (the sky and the Earth*) said: ‘We do come (together), in willing obedience.” They not only are thinking and answering; they even have will and obedience. More animism - or as said really anthropomorphism - things you normally find in more primitive religions or in legends and fairy tales.

##(YA5570):"He (Allah*) Who creates must necessarily know His own handiwork". This is very correct, so when the Quran shows that the maker of that book clearly do not know the reality, ####it is a strong proof for that something is very wrong somewhere.

####024 41/12a: “So He (Allah*) completed them as seven firmaments - - -”. (Firmament is another name for the heaven or sky – mainly used for the night sky). But there are no 7 firmaments. All the same you find these claims about 7 heavens/firmaments/tracts at least in 2/22d, 2/29d+e - 17/44a – 23/17a – 23/86a – 41/12a - 65/12a – 67/3a+b - 71/15a+b - 71/15-16a+b – 78/12a-b, and not least 31/10b+c (another heavenly mistake). All together the Quran mentions "heavens" in plural at least 199 times; there is no doubt the Quran means there are 7 heavens (and as the stars are fastened to the lowermost of them - f.x. 67/5a - they have to be material ones - if not the stars could not be fastened to it). In 67/3 you also are told that the heavens are placed one above the other, which means they of course are built successively higher above the Earth - which also is clear from most places in the Quran, where the place of the heavens are indicated. Some modern Muslims try to place the heavens in space, deep space included. But among others 67/3 prohibits this, as "up" and "down" ("one above the other") has no meaning as part of the real space + a number of other facts make it impossible. F.x. there are facts like how to breathe in rarified or no air for Muslims in such a Paradise? How to build the mansions mentioned in the Quran in space? - or the thrones, - or walk and relax there, - or grow shady trees?. Or if you go high enough: How can the angels use their wings in vacuum?

Islam and its Muslims often claim that layers in our atmosphere = the 7 heavens. #########The first thing to do here like always when Islam or Muslims throw around not proved claims, is to demand proofs for their claims - Muslims are very good at throwing around claims, and then leave it up to you to prove them wrong. This is to turn things upside down: It is the one producing a claim, who has "the burden of proof" = it is his job to prove it, not your to disprove it. And "a strong claim needs strong proofs". The entire Islam has still not provided one single proof for their strong claims about the 7 Heavens in the atmosphere, nor about the 7 earths inside our globe, nor about our 6 continents = the 7 Earths, and "a claim without a proof, may be dismissed without a proof".

As for in the atmosphere, science knows of no 7 layers in the atmosphere. To reach the number 7 Islam has to use two of the many secondary ones, and then pretend not to know about all the other secondary one.(Similar goes for the claim that the 7 earths. Science knows about 4 or 5 layers (depending on if one reckon the so-called mantle as 1 or 2 layers). Islam use 2 of several secondary ones (lithosphere and asthenosphere) in addition to the maximum 5 and gets 7.

As for the layers of air, science split the atmosphere in 5 layers - exosphere (top), thermosphere, mesosphere, stratosphere, and troposphere (bottom). This splitting mainly is made on basis of temperature. You also may split it on basis of aerodynamics. Then you get 4 layers. Further you may divide it by radio physics - and get 3 layers - and by chemical process, where you get 2 layers. There is no scientific way of splitting the atmosphere in 7 layers.

Inside the different layers, there are separate sub layers with different properties, like f.x. the ionosphere (the rarified air is highly ionized), the ozone layer (a special kind of oxygen molecules - 03 (very reactive)), homosphere and heterosphere, planet boundary layer ("scraping" along the uneven Earth), and you more. These are not reckoned to be atmospheric layers, but special properties within parts of the atmospheric layers, or layers within those layers.

Below we list the most used layers - you may be able to find more. The secondary layers are listed below their respective primary layers. Beware that when a secondary layer is mentioned under more than one primary layer, it is because it overlaps or straddles primary ones.

Beware that in the atmosphere, borders and distances may fluctuate, and temperatures the same. Also: Numbers written xx/yy = from xx to yy (f.x.500/1000 = altitude may vary from 500 to 1ooo km). We only use km and not miles below, because our source gives it in km. Roughly: 1 mile = 1.6 km, and 6 miles = 10 km.

Listed from top (space) and down (to Earth):

Science: Altitude./km: Specification: Temperature: Islam:

Magnetosphere 58ooo Magnetic field

Ionosphere 85-600/700 Ionized diluted gas

Exosphere 500/1000 and up Single molecules 300-1700C Exosphere

Magnetosphere 600/700 and up 

Scaled heights 90 and up Atomic weight layers

Heterosphere 80/100 and up Heterogeneous composed air 

Thermosphere 85-600/700 Hot, ionized Up to 2500C Thermosphere

Anacoustic zone 160 and up Sound not transferred

Scaled heights 90 and up Atomic weight layers

Heterosphere 80/100 and up Heterogeneous composed air

Ionosphere 85-600/700 Ionized diluted gas Ionosphere

Mesopause 80-90 Border layer

Turbopause 80-90 End turbulence mixing 

Ozone layer

Mesosphere 50-80/85 Very cold From -140C. Rising down Mesosphere

Mesopause 80-90 Border layer

Turbopause 80-90 End turbulence mixing

Homosphere 0-80/100 Homogenous atmosphere

Stratosphere 8/18-50 Cold. Little convection Temp. rising up Stratosphere

Homosphere 0-80/100 Homogenous atmosphere

Ozone layer 18-50 2 mm ozone if concentr.

Temp. layers Stratified by temperat.

Tropopause 17-20 End tumultuous air

Troposphere 0-17/20 80% of air/99% of water -50-+50. Rising down Troposphere

Homosphere 0-80/100 Homogenous atmosphere

Tropopause 17-20 End tumultuous air

Planetary b. l. 0.4 - 2 Boundary layer

As you see, Islam has plenty of layers to pick from when they want to find 7 layers, and call them the 7 Heavens. They simply have picked the 5 primary layers, and as that was too little, they have randomly added a couple out of the perhaps 20 different (for one thing we hardly have listed all secondary layers, and in addition there may exist thirtiary ones in f.x. "scaled heights" and "temperature layers"). One - the ionosphere - even is not reckoned to be part of the atmosphere, but the inner end of the magnetosphere (we include both, because you sometimes meet them in debates about this), which both happen to be situated in the upper atmosphere (the magnetosphere continues outside, too). The very thin air in the ionosphere is strongly ionized (made electric) by strong solar radiation. A nice place for a heaven. And the ozone layer contains ozone or O3 - a strongly oxidizing gas. Also this a nice building material for the "floor" of a heaven - and such a rare building material, that if it was separated out, it would make a 2 mm thick layer of gas around Earth. Not a very strong floor for a heaven. But if it breaks down, there are many more layers for Allah to build a heaven on. (Do you see the unintended joke behind the never proved claim that the 7 heavens, are the 7 layers of the atmosphere?)

But the real jokes - and the real dishonesty - follow below. The comics above may have been wishful thinking and not necessarily intended dishonesty, as much of it is not too well known among ordinary people - though nobody has any excuse for not checking their claims before they throw them around. But what follows below, mostly is primary and secondary school knowledge, and there does not exist one imam, mullah, or other scholar in the entire Islam who does not know or easily could check these facts: 

1): According to the Quran, the stars are fastened to the lowest heaven. This - and other “facts” from the Quran - means the heavens have to be material. But there are no 7 material heavens up in the atmosphere.

2): According to the Quran, the 7 heavens are held up by invisible pillars, These have to be material, in order to keep up material heavens. But neither science, humans, birds, nor airplanes have ever bumped into such one. (Modern Islam sometimes claims the Quran here means force fields - which definitely was not what Muhammad said. (After all there is quite a difference between a pillar and a force field, and also there are few repulsive kinds of force fields in nature.) But for one thing such strong force fields science and others had found at least decades ago if they existed + for another we know ever so well that the different layers in the atmosphere are not held up by force fields.

3): According to the Quran the Moon (and the sun) is between the heavens. If the heavens are inside the atmosphere, this means that the Moon is inside our atmosphere, and at least below the highest one. The exosphers/7. Heaven starts at 500-1000 km (roughly 300-600 miles) up. This in case means that according to Islam the Moon is maximum 600 miles/1000 km away.

4): According to the Quran the stars are fastened to the lowest heaven. This means that they are below the Moon. What would happen on and to Earth - and to the Heavens - if f.x. Sirius, Aldebaran, Betelguse, or VY Canis Majoris were below the Moon? - not to mention if the Moon in case was only 600 mils/1ooo km away?

5): The layers in the atmosphere billow quite a lot - up to 300 miles/500 km for the exosphere. (Well, this is tertiary school level, but not more). How to build Heavens on such floors?

6): How is it possible to build the mansions the Quran tells about in Heaven, if the heavens are not material and stable ones?

7): And how to build the endless rows of thrones the Quran tells about, if there is not material and stable floor or ground under them?

8): And how to grow trees for shade and fruit, if there is not material and stable ground for the roots?

9): How for the good Muslims, resurrected in body, to walk on or to rest in the grass, if there is no solid and stable ground?

10): How do the 4 rivers in Heaven run, if there is no material ground to run on?

11): How do the rivers in Heaven run, and how to know where they will run tomorrow, when the layers in the atmosphere - the floors in the Heavens where they run - wobbles kilometers up and down all the time?

12): How to live and walk in a Heaven claimed to be a layer in the atmosphere, when the border - the floor/ground in the Heaven in reality is some miles/km deep? - which borders between two layers in the atmosphere easily may be.

13): Nearly all the air (80%) is in the troposphere = below the claimed Heavens if the 1. Heaven rests on the troposphere. How then to breathe in the Heavens?

14): How to drink - wine or water in those Heavens? The low air pressure will make it boil before you have time to drink it. (Tertiary school physics.) 

15): How to be able to live in those Heavens? The low air pressure will make the blood and the juices inside you quickly start boiling. (Tertiary school physics.) 

16): How to exist in those Heavens? The boiling blood, etc. inside you, will make you explode within minutes. (Tertiary school physics.)

17): How to survive in Heavens above the ozone layer? - the radiation will kill you or fry you in days or weeks at most. (Tertiary school physics.)

18): How to feel comfortable in the Heavens? - the temperatures vary from lower than -140C (130K) to +2500C (though because of extremely thin air, it will feel far from that hot). (Well, this is lower university physics.)

19): How to enjoy life in the 1. Heaven, where you have the strongly oxidizing ozone? (Lower university level physics.)

20): How to enjoy life in the 1. Heaven, with the strong trade winds in the stratosphere? (using the top of the troposphere as your floor or ground).

21): The Quran many places - 20 or more - in different words tells that its texts are clear and easy to understand = to be understood literally unless it is not something else is said. This means that each and every time Islam or a Muslim claims that Allah and Muhammad and the Quran here means something very different and far away from what the texts say - diffuse layers with very unclear and billowing borders instead of clear and steady meadows in a Paradise - they confirm that the Quran - and Allah and Muhammad - are lying those perhaps 20 or more places in the book.

22): The Quran several places states that it only is for the ones sick of heart to look for hidden meanings in the Quran where no hidden meanings are clearly indicated. And perhaps it takes a sick heart - or a desperate brain (when using so far out and hopeless "explanations", the word "desperate" is not too strong) - to use "explanations" of a quality like this. If used in a fairy tale, only the smaller children would believe in it.

Well, this is enough. There may be more imbecilities, but this will have to do. Islam and Muslims are experts in making "explanations". But very often they look just at one or two aspects of a problem, find an answer which seemingly will satisfy those, and then: VOILA! Here we have the sure answer!!! But they "forget" other aspects.

In this case they have looked at two aspects with the error "7 Heavens": The number "7" and the word "up". By adding a couple of the secondary layers to the normal 5 layers in the atmosphere, they have found the number 7 - "hide the rest of the secondary layers, which will destroy the mathematics" - and the atmosphere of course is "up". The problem solved!!!

For Muslims really believing in this kind of argumentation, it is naivety or naive wishful thinking. For all the others it is dishonesty - and a kind of dishonesty one meets all too often from Islam and Muslims, included highly educated scholars.

Nice to have solid confirmation also from Islam and from Muslims - both for that the Quran lies, and for the ways they use for fleeing from having to face even most obvious errors in the Quran.

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The Quran also talks about 7 Earths, and of course below us. The Quran talks about flat Earths, one below the other. The flat Earths are too difficult to explain - too obviously wrong. The strategy is to claim that the Quran really meant spherical Earth (wrong, but al-Taqiyya - the lawful lie - is part of Islam), and then logically the claimed 7 Earths must be inside our globe, named Terra or Tellus, but normally just called Earth. And inside Earth there are layers - Miracle! There are the 7 Earths!!

There are 2 ways of classifying the composition of the Earth: 

1): Chemically: Crust, mantle, and core. This is the normal way to classify the layers. There are 4 or 5 layers, depending in if you call the mantle 1 or 2 layers: Crust, mantel (or outer mantel + inner mantel), outer core, and inner core.

2): Functionally or secondary way of classifying: Lithosphere, asthenosphere, discontinuity layers, and border layers.

Beware that like in the atmosphere borders and distances may fluctuate, and the given temperatures are estimates - we use a moderate estimate for the temperatures (we have seen estimates up to at least 9000C for the center of Earth. Also: Numbers written xx/yy = from xx to yy (f.x. 870/1250C = temperatures vary from 870C to 1250C). We only use km and not miles below, because our source gives it in km. Roughly: 1 mile = 1.6 km, and 6 miles = 10 km.

Science: Depth, km: Description: Islam:

Crust 0-8/25/100 A layer of stone floating on molten rock. -50-870C Crust Split in upper and lower under continents

Upper 0-15/20 Only under continents

Conrad 15-20 Discontinuity layer between upper and lover crust. Only under continents

Lower 15/20-100 Only under continents

Lithosph. 0-40/100 Outer = Crust + some part of upper mantle 870-1250C Lithosphere Split in outer and inner.

Upper mantle 40/100-700 Upper part solid, then semi-viscous, then 1250-1650C Upper mantle thickly viscous lowest.

Moha 40/100-70/400 Mohorovicic Discontinuity layer (mostly named 1250-1450C Moha), between crust/mantle. Inside lithosph. except under mid-ocean ridges, where it borders the asthenosphere.

Lithosph. 40/100-70/400 Inner. Incl. hard part of upper mantle. 1250-1650C

LAB 80-100/400 Lithosphere-asthenosphere boundary, normally solid. 

Asthenosp.80-200/700 Semi fluid, 100-200 km thick 1450-1650C Astenosphere

Lehman 190-250 Discontinuity layer in upper mantle. Mostly under continents.

Lower mantel 700-2890 Sometimes reckoned together with upper, and 1650-3370C Lower mantel named only mantel. More fluid. Seismology may indicate structures/layers, but unclear.

Outer core 2890-5150 Liquid layer of mainly iron and nickel. 3370-5000C Outer core

Inner core 5150-6371 Solid ball of iron and nickel. 5000-5700C+ Inner core

What Islam has done to find 7 Earths here, is the same as for finding 7 Heavens in the atmosphere: One has taken the 4-5 standard layers, picked a couple more, and then are silent about the other layers. Our comments are very parallel to the ones for the 7 Heavens in the atmosphere. And also here there are imbecilities. Very little is mentioned about the 7 Earths in the Quran (65/12), but Hadiths make it clear that they have nature, flora, fauna, and sentient beings.

The first thing to do, is to demand proofs for their claims - Muslims are very good at throwing around claims, and then leave it up to you to prove them wrong. This is to turn things upside down: It is the one producing a claim, who has "the burden of proof" = it is his job to prove it, not your to disprove it. And "a strong claim needs a strong proof". The entire Islam has still not provided one single proof for their strong claims about the 7 Heavens in the atmosphere, nor about the 7 earths inside our globe, nor about our 6 continents = the 7 Earths, and "a claim without a proof, may be dismissed without a proof".

The 7 Earths, its people, and its "pests":

Ramaka. People: Muwasshim. In everlasting torment and divine retribution. (Earth?)

Khalada. People: Tamis. Eating their own flesh, drinking their own blood.

Arqa. People: Qays. Eating dirt, drinking mother's milk. Pest: Mule like eagles with spear like tails and poisonous quills.

Haraba. People: Jilla. Have no eyes, hands, or feet, but bat like wings. Pest: the snakes of Hell, large as mountains.

Maltham. People: Hajla. Eat each other - cannibals. Pest: carry stones of sulphur around their neck - may burn.

Sijjin. People: Qatat. Look like birds, worship Allah. Pest(?): contains the register of Hell.

Ajiba. People: Khasum. Black and short, with claws like lions. Pest: Iblis/the Devil lives here (Hell?). Gog and Magog will end here.

And then Hell underneath. 

To make it 7 Earths, our Earth (Tellus or Terra) must be the same one as Ramaka. And then we must be the Muwasshim. The point is not made quite clear by Islam.

Some imbecilities:

1): How can these beings breathe inside stone?

2): How can they move inside stone?

3): How can they survive such temperatures?

4): How do they survive the pressure? - it rises by 200-300 kg/cm3 (200-300 atm.) and more for each km down.

5): How do they move in magma (melted stone)? - Much lighter than stone, they will race upward like cork in water - - - if they survive the temperature and the pressure. (The density of a human body is around 1 kg/l, the density of rock varies between 1,1 (coal) and 3.4 (peridotite) and metals up to 22.9 (osmium))

6): How about the Iblis/the Devil? If Hell is underneath the 7 earths, this means somewhere in the core of Earth, and there it is too hot even for Hell. At some 5700C to 9oooC a resurrected human body will vaporize and burn to ashes so fast, that the person will not have time to feel pain.

7): The Quran says 7 Earths. If one like her do not take 7 different Earths, but 7 parts of one Earth, this just means Allah created only one Earth, and not 7 like the Quran says = ########each and every time Islam or a Muslim forward this claim, they confirm that verse 65/12 in the Quran is a lie.

8): The Quran many places - 20 or more - in different words tells that its texts are clear and easy to understand = to be understood literally unless it is not something else is said. This means that each and every time Islam or a Muslim claims that Allah and Muhammad and the Quran here means something very different and far away from what the texts say - diffuse layers with very unclear and slowly billowing (at least where the stone is soft or melted) borders, instead of clear and steady meadows in a Paradise + only one Earth instead of 7 (= 2 fundamental differences) - they confirm that the Quran - and Allah and Muhammad - are lying those perhaps 20 or more places in the book, and a double lie each time.

9): The Quran several places states that it only is for the ones sick of heart to look for hidden meanings in the Quran where no hidden meanings are clearly indicated. And perhaps it takes a sick heart - or a desperate brain (when using so far out and hopeless "explanations", the word "desperate" is not too strong) - to use "explanations" of a quality like this. If used in a fairy tale, only the smaller children would believe in it.

Like said concerning the Heavens in the atmosphere: Nice. Confirmation of central and essential points always is nice to get.

Like said when writing about the 7 Heavens in the atmosphere: Many of the "explanations" and claims Islam and Muslims make up are so hopeless, that it is difficult to understand how anybody - at least anybody with a minimum of intelligence and knowledge - is able to believe in such stories. But many are. "When you want to believe, it is easy to believe". Many Muslims also have little education and no training in critical thinking = easier to believe.

But worse: MANY of the points we have mentioned, are so well known and so obvious to persons with some education, that there is no chance Muslim scholars do not know it, or at least easily could have checked before they made such claims. This tells a lot about Islam and their scholars. And about honesty in Islam.

It also confirms that the main thing to them, is not to find out what is the truth, but to make the Quran sound like the truth, come Hell or high water, and true or not. This in spite of the price every Muslim will have to pay if the Quran is a made up book - and that full of errors, contradictions, etc. it at least is from no god - if there all the same is a next life and a different god.

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There also is the less used - and even less believable - claim that the 7 Earths = 7 continents on our Earth. One of the troubles is that there only are 6 continents on Earth: 2 Americas, Africa, Australia, Antarctic, and Eurasia. Because Eurasia - Europe + Asia - just is one continent (and just one tectonic plate). This continent often is split into Europe + Asia, but that is a cultural divide, and has nothing to do with geography, geology, or anything similar. = Only 6 continents, unless you lie.

#####We will ask Islam and Muslims to prove this claim, too. (Muslims and Islam are good at making claims, but flee from all requests for proofs. But "a claim without a proof may be dismissed without a proof", and "the claimant has the burden of proof " (= the one who has to prove the case true or not).

#########Actually the first thing you always do when Islam or Muslims throw around not proved claims, is to demand proofs for their claims - Muslims like sais are very good at throwing around claims, and then leave it up to you to prove them wrong. This is to turn things upside down: It is the one producing a claim, who has "the burden of proof" = it is his job to prove it, not your to disprove it. And "a strong claim needs strong proofs". The entire Islam has till now provided neither one single proof for their strong claims about the 7 Heavens in the atmosphere, nor about the 7 earths inside our globe, nor about our 6 continents = the 7 Earths, and "a claim without a proof, may be dismissed without a proof".

1): Islam and Muslims in this case have to lie each time they forward this claim: 6 continents cannot be 7 unless one use dishonesty (but dishonesty (al-Taqiyya, Kitman, Hilah) is permitted in 8-10 wide cases in Islam - even advised if necessary to defend or promote Islam + also deceit, etc. and even misuse of words/promises/oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2))

2): The Quran (65/12) says 7 Earths. There is a big difference between an Earth and a continent.

3); If the claim is correct, Allah created only one World, not 7 like 65/12 says. A mistake in the Quran.

4): According to Hadiths terrible animals - f.x. the enormous snakes of Hell - live on some of the Earths = continents if this claim is correct. Where are they?

5): According to Hadiths there live sentient beings on every of the 7 Earths/continents. Where are they?

6): Which one of the sentient races live on the Antarctic continent, and where are they?

7): On which of the continents do Iblis live? According to the Quran he lives on Ajiba, But it is not said what continent this in case corresponds to. (Oh, we know every second Muslim will say: North America. But even President Obama like he looks in the eyes of some Muslims, has a long way to go to compete with Iblis). The question stands.

8): If Islam and Muslims claim that the continents on Earth = the 7 Earths in the Quran, they each and every time they claim this, confirm that the Quran lies - and Muhammad lied - in the Quran, as he then created only 1 Earth instead of 7.

9): They at the same times confirm that the Quran lies about the number of 7 in 65/12, as there only are 6 continents on Earth.

10): The Quran many places - 20 or more - in different words tells that its texts are clear and easy to understand = to be understood literally unless not something else is said. This means that each and every time Islam or a Muslim claims that Allah and Muhammad and the Quran here means something very different and far away from what the texts say - continents instead of Earths/planets - they confirm that the Quran - and Allah and Muhammad - are lying those perhaps 20 or more places in the book.

11): The Quran several places states that it only is for the ones sick of heart to look for hidden meanings in the Quran where no hidden meanings are clearly indicated. And perhaps it takes a sick heart - or a desperate brain (when using so far out and hopeless "explanations" like these, the word "desperate" is not too strong) - to use "explanations" of a quality like this. If used in a fairy tale, only the smaller children would believe in it.

Once more: Nice. Such confirmations may benefit both Muslims and non-Muslims, so thank you.

025 41/12d: “He (Allah*) assigned to each heaven its duty and command”. How could he do that when there were no 7 heavens?

####026 41/12e: “And We (Allah*) adorned the lower heaven with lights (= stars*) - - -”. This is one of the points Muslims are very reluctant to try to explain, as it is obviously and impossibly wrong - and impossible to “explain” away in any believable manner. We know from old astronomy that the moon and the planets were fastened to different heavens, and that means that the stars have to be between us and the moon (the Quran another place also says that the moon is between the heavens) - at less than some 384ooo km distance - as the stars were fastened to the lowest heaven. In addition to all the other impossibilities, humans would not be even crisps in a millisecond. Once more: Any existing god knew this, Muhammad not. Contradicted by almost anything – except as said: Not by fairy tales. Is Allah non-existing? Or who composed the Quran?

027 41/12g: "(Allah*) the Exalted in Might - - -". Might he in case never have clearly proved.

#028 41/12h: “(Allah is*) full of Knowledge.” Something is wrong. Either Allah is not omniscient - then he may have sent down the Quran. Or he is full of knowledge - omniscient. Then he did not send down a book like the Quran with that many mistakes - see 41/75. If not Allah, then who composed the Quran?

029 41/12i: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 26/83a above.

030 41/14a: "- - - the messengers came to them (the 'Ad and the Thamud*) - - -". The Quran claims - as normal without any documentation - that all societies all over the world and to all times have been sent messengers preaching about Allah and Islam. The Hadiths mention the number 124ooo through the times. But with the exception of the Jewish ones and Muhammad, not one has left a trace anywhere or in any way.

031 41/14d: “If our Lord (Allah*) had so pleased, He would certainly have sent down angles (to preach).” There clearly were questions for proofs, but Muhammad - or earlier claimed Arab prophets - never was able to prove anything. Instead he used fast talk like here, wrong facts, bluffs and glorification of himself and of blind belief - and at least some clear lies.

032 41/14e: Notice how remarkably well these claimed messengers' situation mirrors Muhammad's situation around 616 - 618 AD when this surah was made. You find numbers and numbers of stories in the Quran paralleling Muhammad's own situation at the time the story was told. The tales "informed" his followers and others that Muhammad's situation was normal for messengers and prophets, and by implication that he was a normal messenger, and they also were pep-talks for his followers. True or not is not always essential - the main thing is what you are able to make people believe.

033 41/15c: "- - - truth - - -". See 2/2b and 13/1g above.

034 41/15d: "- - - reason - - -". See 2/2b above.

035 41/15f: "- - - Allah, Who created them (people*) - - -". This interesting, but never proved claim surfaces a number of times in the Quran - interesting because Allah never was able to prove he was able to create anything at all, whereas Yahweh/Jesus proved this many times if either the Bible or the Quran tells the truth on this point. Also see 6/2b, 11/7a, 21/56c+e above.

036 41/15h: "But they ('Ad*) continued to reject Our (Allah's*) Signs!" Naturally - at least if they were among the many who saw that something was seriously wrong in the new religion.

037 41/16a: “So We (Allah*) sent against them a furious Wind through days (NB: Plural*) of disaster - - -.” ( 69/7 = 6 nights and 7 days.) But:

54/19: “For We (Allah*) sent against them (the people of Ad*) a furious wind, on a Day of violent Disaster.” Here it lasted only one day.

038 41/17c: "- - - We (Allah*) gave them Guidance - - -". If the guidance was similar to in the Quran, it was doubtful guidance in case - fit mainly for robber and war groups or tribes or nations.

039 41/17d: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) preferred blindness - - -". Who are the really blind ones - the ones who blindly believe and who accept more or less anything without checking if it is true, or the ones who refuse to believe blindly because they see something is very wrong?

040 41/18c: "- - - righteousness". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral and ethical codes.

041 41/20: "- - - witness - - -". The Quran never explains why an omniscient good needs witnesses. Any god would have known this was unnecessary.

042 41/21b: "He (Allah*) created you (people*)- - -". See 6/2b, 11/7a, 21/56c and 41/15f above.

043 41/21c: "- - - unto Him (Allah*) were you (people*) to return". If Allah exists, is a god, and is correctly described in the Quran. For the needed resurrection see 7/158i above.

044 41/22b: "- - - witness - - -". Why does an omniscient god need witnesses?

045 41/23a: "- - - (now) have ye (non-Muslims*) become of those utterly lost!" Only if the Quran is not a made up book, Islam is not a made up religion, and only if the non-Muslims do not believe in a real god - - - and only if there exists a next life.

046 41/24b: "- - - the Fire will be a Home for them (non-Muslims*)!" If the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth on this point. And as there are so large differences between a good person according to Yahweh compared to Allah's way of thinking, may be Yahweh will intervene for his followers?

047 41/25b: (A41/25 - English 2008 edition A42/24): “And We (Allah*) have destined for them intimate companions (of like nature), who made alluring to them (negative things*) - - -.” But the Arab word “quarana/quarin” is better translated with: “We assigned to them (their own evil impulses as their) other self - - -.” There are a lot of “to the last commas” between the two meanings.

048 41/25c: "- - - Jinns - - -". A being "borrowed" from old Arab folklore and pagan religion. In spite of Muhammad's claims of being in the same tradition and the really same religion as the old prophets, not one of the old Jewish prophets has mentioned them, and neither did Jesus mention them. They also are not mentioned other places in the Bible. (Jinn often is translated by "spirit", but the Jinns were invisible material beings, not spirits.

049 41/25d: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) are utterly lost". Only if Islam is a true religion and only if the claimed, but never proved god Allah exists - and only if there is/are no other god(s) like f.x. Yahweh.

050 41/27a: "But We (Allah*) will certainly give the Unbelievers a taste of severe Penalty - - -". Only if Allah exists and is a dominant god, and only if he and the claimed Day of Doom are correctly described in the Quran in spite of all its other mistakes, etc.

051 41/27d: "- - - severe Penalty - - -". See 3/77b above.

052 41/27e: "- - - and We (Allah*) will requite them for the worst of their (non-Muslims'*) deeds". See 41/25d above.

053 41/27f: "- - - the worst of their (non-Muslims'*) deeds". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

054 41/28a: "Such will be the requital of the enemies of Allah - - -". One of the many, many never proved claims in the Quran - a book not from any god, as no god would deliver a book that full of mistakes, etc.

055 41/28d: "- - - (Hell*) the Eternal Home - - -". But 6/128c, 11/107b, 43/74c, 51/13c, and 78/23 all may indicate that Hell is not quite forever (and 11/108c that also Paradise may not be quite forever), at least not for Muslims who have not qualified for Paradise at once.

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical.

056 41/28f: “- - - Our (Allah's) Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39a above.

########057 41/30ba: "'Fear ye (Muslims*) not' (they (angels*) suggest (= this is something happening "now")), 'nor grieve!" Here angels are speaking in the Quran. This is one more proof for that "the Mother of the Book", of which the Quran is a copy according to Islam, cannot have existed since eternity - it cannot have been written until after the first angels were created. Further: The angels are speaking to humans - to good Muslims even. This proves that "the Mother of the Book"/the Quran cannot have been written until after the first humans were created/born.

(There also are some 8 places in the Quran where Muhammad is speaking - which proves that the Quran cannot be older than Muhammad - at least not if man has the slightest part of free will (even one milligram of free will for man combined with the laws of chaos, makes precognition about far future impossible even for a god).

058 41/30d: “- - - Glad Tidings - - -.” Wrong. Islam is no glad tiding, except for the ones not suppressed – and really glad only for the ones looking for booty and slaves and stolen riches, and not least for the ones near the top of the pyramid, who got – and get – a lot of power in addition. It often is like that in war religions, especially when made to fit a strong and charismatic leader (and his successors), though many war religions have not been as hypocritical as Islam in trying to make its members and others believe it is good and just and humane and benevolent - and peaceful. And well, it may have been glad tidings for the small percentage of people who need a religion to lean on – at least for the possible ones where the old pagan religion was not strong enough. Also see 2/97i and 17/9d above and 61/13 below.

##059 41/30f: "- - - the angels continue to descend on them (Muslims*) (from time to time) - - -". A verse to remember each time a Muslim tries to tell you that Allah could not prove his existence to Muhammad and his followers, because that would mean the Day of Doom had arrived (it is said so in the Quran, and you may meet this "explanation" from Muslims).

060 41/31c: "- - - therein (Paradise*) shall ye (Muslims*) have all that your soul shall desire; therein shall ye have all that ye ask for". See 10/9f and see if you find all you ask for - nearly all you find are bodily pleasures. On top of that this only is a never proved claim.

061 41/32b: "- - - a hospitable gift (Paradise*) - - -". If the Quran has told the full truth and only the truth, and if Allah exists and is a god correctly described by the Quran.

062 41/32c: "- - - One (Allah*) Who is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

063 41/32d: "- - - One (Allah*) Who - - - Most Merciful". Please read the Surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Quran's moral and ethical codes, and the unjust and/or immoral parts of the sharia laws, and see if you agree. When there is divergence between the nice words and the rest, at least we believe much more in reality, in actual demands, and in deeds, than in nice words.

064 41/33a: “Who is better in speech than one who calls (men) to Allah, works righteousness, and (is Muslim*)?” Of course “we” - the Muslims - are best. (This may also point to Muhammad only*) Muhammad did not know the word psychology, we think, but he understood people and how to pep them up. But what in reality is the really correct answer? - especially as the Quran is not from a god?

065 41/33b: "- - - righteousness - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral and unethical moral and ethical codes.

066 41/34a: "Nor can Goodness and Evil be equal". This is food for thinking and philosophy when you look at parts of the Islamic moral code, which often is from bad and unjust to horrible and worse - especially when you compare it to the "gold standard": "Do to others like you want others do to you". The only ones unable to see this, are the Muslims, because they have been taught from they were babies that this is what is just and good and according to the benevolent Allah's wishes - like in some other war and terror religions through history and prehistory. Words in the Quran about dark forces making the bad look good, are here very easy to remember.

067 41/34b "- - - Goodness and Evil - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like these, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral and unethical moral and ethical codes.

068 41/36a: "And if (at any time) an incitement to discord is made to thee (Muslim*) by the Satan, seek refuge in Allah". In some cases like stealing/robbing, raping, enslaving, suppressing, lying, killing, warmongering, etc. - do a Muslim really need a Satan? - and what are in these cases the difference between Satan and Allah?

069 41/36b: "- - - seek refuge in Allah". This will only mean anything - may be - if Allah exists and is a god.

070 41/36c: "He (Allah*) is the One who hears and knows all things". See 2/233h above.

071 41/37a: “Among His (Allah’s*) Signs are the Night and the Day - - -”. The night and the day are made by the sun and the revolving of the Earth - physical facts at work. If Islam claims the sun and the Earth and the physical laws are made by Allah, they will have to prove it - it is nowhere proved neither in the Quran nor in the Hadiths - cheap words and invalid signs anyone can use, f.x. any priest in any religion: Baal made the sun and makes it rise in the east. Allah can neither unmake it nor make it rise in the west - then Baal is a real god and Allah a false one. It only is cheap words which prove not a thing, except that resorting to such fake arguments are among the hallmarks of cheats, swindlers, and deceivers, which may prove or indicate something or other about the one(s) using such arguments.

072 41/37d: "- - - adore Allah, Who created them (the sun and the moon*) - - -". The same claim as most religions put forth - and just as reliable, as the Quran is never able to prove anything at all, just claims and words and glorification of blindness in religion (blind belief).

073 41/39b: “- - - His (Allah's*) Sign(s) - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

074 41/39d: "- - - We (Allah*) send down rain - - -". Allah - or some-one else - or nature? See 11/7a above.

075 41/39e: "Truly - - -". Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim. See 2/2b above.

076 41/39f: "Truly, He (Allah*) Who gives life to the (dead) earth - - -". See 41/39a above.

077 41/39g: "Truly, He (Allah*) Who gives life to the (dead) earth can surely give life to (men) who are dead". See 7/158i above.

#078 41/39h: "Truly, He (Allah*) Who gives life to the (dead) earth can surely give life to (men) who are dead". You have to have a lot of blind belief to believe in this - the two things compared are incommensurable (they cannot be compared). The difference between making seeds grow because of water and resurrection of something which really is dead, is too fundamental for comparison. Invalid both argument and logic - and one of the cases where an intelligent man like Muhammad had to know that the logic, and thus everything in the argument, was invalid.

079 41/39i: "For He (Allah*) has power over all things". He in case never has unmistakably demonstrated his power - in Islam everything just is only unproved claims, unproved words, demands for and glorification of blind belief - normally a sure way to be deceived - etc.

080 41/40a: "Those who pervert the Truth in Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". But what about those who see real mistakes, contradictions, wrong logic, etc. of which there is plenty in the Quran, included in the claimed signs?

That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. It actually is proved to a large part wrong.

081 41/40b: "Those who pervert the Truth in Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". It is not possible to pervert the truth in something which is wrong or in something which does not exist. (But one can pervert the truth around it, f.x. by claiming something which does not exist exists, or that something which is wrong, is right. Also see 41/40d below.

##082 41/40d: “Those who pervert the Truth in Our (Allah’s) Signs - - -.” It is not possible to pervert the truth in invalid signs, they are already invalid - not one (with the possible exceptions of a few pointing to another god, Yahweh, taken from the Bible) has any value as signs or proofs, as they without exception are logically invalid, because they all are hanging in the air – just unproven claims - or resting on other invalid - not proved - “statements”, “signs” or “proofs”. Any priest in any religion can say the same about his god(s). A real god would not use invalid “signs” and “proofs”, proofs he had to know would be seen through sooner or later. (Actually it has been seen through long time ago, but the weight of the number of believers and Islam’s rules for social or real murder of the ones thinking “heresy” even if it is the full truth, make it roll on - away from the real god if such one exists, and if Islam is wrong.) Also see 41/40b above.

083 41/40e: “- - - the Truth - - -“. With all these mistakes, etc., the Quran at best is partly true. Also see 13/1g and 40/75 above.

084 41/40f: “- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39 above.

085 41/40h: “Which is better? - he (non-Muslim?*) that is cast into the Fire, or he (Muslim?*) that comes safe through - - -”. But as the Quran is not from any god - Allah or whoever - who is who?

086 41/40j: "- - - verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. In a book where so much is wrong, words like "verily" cannot be taken at face value unless there are proofs.

087 41/40k: "- - - verily He (Allah*) seeth (clearly) all that ye do". See f.x. 2/233h above.

088 41/40l: "- - - verily He (Allah*) seeth (clearly) all that ye do". Only possible if he exists and in addition is something supernatural.

089 41/41b: "And indeed it (the Quran*) is a Book of exalted power". This really needs proofs - especially because of all the errors, etc. in the book, and the fact that it is not from any god - too much is wrong.

Well, like f.x. communism, Nazism, and a number of war religions, etc., the Quran had and still has an explosive power. But it is the negative power of an ideology combined with ruthlessness - a combination which many times through history have given strong results (also f.x. in the Mafia, the Cosa Nostra, the Chinese Triads, etc. - ######have you ever noticed the similarity between many points in the Quran's moral code, and the corresponding points in the moral codes of such organizations?)). But the supernatural power from a god is only possible if a real god is involved - and no god, not to mention an omniscient one, was ever involved in a book of a quality like the Quran, with all its mistaken facts, other errors, contradictions, unclear language, etc., etc. (And no good and benevolent god has ever even touched the bad parts of the Quran's and Islam's moral code.)

090 41/42a: "No falsehood can approach it (the Quran*) from before or behind it - - -". No falsehood can approach a book full of errors, etc., advocating breaking of even your oaths, advocating betrayal (f.x. the 29 from the peace delegation from Khaybar), advocating and dictated by the man who in reality institutionalized al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth), etc.?!! Whenever there is divergence between nice words and reality, we always believe reality. What is here, is not even a divergence, but a real al-Taqiyya - especially as Muhammad never corrected his words here.

#091 41/42b: "No falsehood can approach it (the Quran*) from before or behind it - - -". For one who really knows the Quran - and knows normal moral, ethical, and judicial codes - this stands out like an unintended, black joke.

092 41/42c: "- - - it (the Quran*) is sent down by One (Allah*) Full of Wisdom - - -". Wrong - no god ever sent down a book with that many mistakes, contradictions, cases of invalid logic, etc. It simply is a grave insult and heresy and slander to accuse an omniscient god of having made a book like the Quran.

093 41/42d: “- - - One (Allah*) Full of Wisdom - - -“. The way Allah is manifested in the Quran, he is very far from full of wisdom.

094 41/42e: “- - - Worthy of all Prize.” Is a claimed, but never proved deity who makes so many mistakes, worthy of all praise? Hardly. Also see 1/1a above.

###095 41/43a: “Nothing is said to thee (Muhammad*) that was not said to the messengers before thee (Muhammad*) (f.x. to Jesus and the old Jewish prophets*) - - -.” Wrong. As both science and Islam thoroughly have proved that the Bible is not falsified – and especially strong proofs for NT – it is very clear that what Muhammad claimed to have been told, often is far from what the real prophets and patriarchs had been told. And this is strengthened by the fact that it very often is very clear that Muhammad took his “biblical” stories not from the Bible, but from religious legends (often even based on apocryphal scriptures and stories, not the Bible) that circulated in the area, and which Muhammad believed were from the Bible - - - and then later he had only one way out how to explain the errors compared to the real Bible: To claim he was right and the Bible falsified!!!. As for the quotation above, it is not true that nothing was said to Muhammad that was not said to earlier (real) prophets – a fact that Islam even confirms sometimes – f.x. in the statement from Muhammad that he was the first “messenger/prophet” who had got permission from the god to steal and rob and rape, which the god according to the Quran even confirms is “god and lawful”.

To be impolite, but truthful: The Quran's claim here is rubbish. (But this early - 614-616 AD - it is not sure Muhammad knew he was lying when he said it. If he had TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy), he may have believed in his own stories in the beginning.)

096 41/43b: "- - - Forgiveness - - -": Allah only can forgive if he exists and in addition is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

097 41/44a: "Had We (Allah*) sent this as a Quran - - -". No god has sent the Quran - see 41/42b above - too much is wrong. See 41/42b above and http://1000mistakes.com..

098 41/44e: “It (the Quran*) is a Guide - - -”. A book containing that many mistakes - see 40/75 - is no real guide. Or it is a guide to something inhuman.

099 41/44g: "It (the Quran*) is - - - healing - - -". It takes a very special mentality to find healing in a book with such moral, ethical and judicial codes like some of the ones you find in the Quran - plus all the errors. On the other hand strong belief can give mental peace and healing no matter what religion it is.

##100 41/44i: "- - - blindness - - -". Who are most blind: The ones believing blindly - normally the easiest way to be cheated, and the dream situation for cheaters, deceivers, charlatans, and swindlers, included religious ones - or the ones thinking things over and evaluate if claims and loose words can be true? After all: If there somewhere is a god who has made you, your brain is the second most valuable gift you got, after life itself. Why are so many insulting that possible god by not using his gift, but instead believe blindly no matter how much is wrong?

101 41/45a: “We (Allah*) certainly gave Moses the Book aforetime - - -”. Wrong. Those books were written much later according to science. (Moses according to the Bible only got the 10 commandments in writing. In addition he got the law verbally – parts of what now is “the Books of Moses” (the first 5 books in the Bible) – which he himself wrote down later. Nothing else. And as said: Science confirms that the Torah - the Books of Moses - is centuries younger than Moses).

But quite another fact is that Muhammad claimed all the old prophets did receive a copy similar to the Quran (copy of "the Mother of the Book", claimed revered by Allah and his angels in Heaven). According to Hadiths Allah must have sent down at least 124ooo copies all over the world. Not one single trace from such a book or from the war and apartheid religion it represented, older than 610 AD (when Muhammad started his mission), has been found neither by science nor by Islam.

102 41/45e: "- - - they (the local Jews*) remained in disquietening doubt thereon". One more of the psychologically correct things to tell his followers. The truth was that most of the Jews were so little in doubt, that they preferred to flee or to be killed, instead of accepting Muhammad's new religion.

103 41/46b: "- - - righteousness - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral and unethical moral and ethical codes.

104 41/46d: "- - - whoever works evil, it is against his own soul - - -". But what about other souls if he leads them to an invalid or made up religion? A relevant question as the Quran is not from a god - too many mistakes, etc.

105 41/46e: "- - - evil - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral and unethical moral and ethical codes.

106 41/46f: "- - - nor is thy (people's*) Lord (Allah*) ever unjust (in the least) to His servants". This is wrong to a high power. F.x. the law that a raped woman shall be seriously punished for unlawful sex if she cannot bring forth 4 male witnesses to the very act, is most likely the most unjust and immoral law which has ever existed in a presumably civilized country. And the fact that a man correctly accusing a woman for unlawful sex, is guilty unto Allah of lying if he cannot produce 4 witnesses, even though an omniscient god should know that he speaks the truth, is nearly as bad.

107 41/46g: "- - - unjust - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code, partly unethical ethical code, partly unjust judicial code, etc.

108 41/47a: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 26/83a above.

109 41/47c: "To Him (Allah*) is referred the Knowledge of the Hour (of Judgment: He knows all): no date-fruit comes out of its sheath, nor does a female conceive (within her womb) nor bring forth (young), but by His (Allah's*) Knowledge". A number of claims - and like always in the Quran, no essential claim is proved. The claims just are loose words. Allah has never proved his knowledge - and if the Quran is a sample, he knows far from everything.

110 41/47e: "- - - the Partners (other gods*) (ye (non-Muslims*) attributed to Me (Allah*)?" See 25/18a above.

111 41/48: "The (deities) they (non-Muslims*) used to invoke aforetime will leave them in the lurch - - -". There remain two disturbing questions:

Is Allah any better - especially if he does not exist? - after all the Quran with all its mistakes is not from any god, and then Islam may be a false religion.

Will f.x. Yahweh - whom the Quran admits exists, even though it wrongly mixes him with Allah - really leave his followers in the lurch? That in case is not in accordance with Jesus' words, and even the Quran says Jesus was reliable.

112 41/50c: "- - - the truth - - -". In a book with so much wrong like in the Quran, words like "the truth" cannot be taken at face value without proofs.

113 41/50d: "- - - a severe penalty". See 3/77b above.

114 41/52b: "See ye (non-Muslims*) if the (Revelations) is (really) from Allah - - -". No god ever sent down a book with that much wrong contents - it would be heresy and slander to claim so.

115 41/52c: "Who is more astray than one who is in a schism far (from any purpose (here Islam*))?" The answer depends on two things: Does Allah exist? - and is he in case a major god? And one more: Do other gods - f.x. Yahweh - exist?

116 41/53a: “- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

#117 41/53c: “- - - this (the Quran*) is the Truth.” That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact - on the contrary large parts of it is proved wrong. See 13/1g and 40/75 above. Also contradicted by the Bible, which tells the Bible is the truth, not the Quran (it is not possible that both can be true - utterly impossible; f.x. NT the gospel of honesty and love, the Surahs from Medina the "gospel" of dishonesty, suppression, apartheid, rape and war). Also see 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

118 41/53d: "- - - thy (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) doth witness all things - - -". Why then 2/233h above?

119 41/54b: "It is He (Allah*) that doth encompass all things!". If he exists. If he is a major god. And If the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth about him and his or Muhammad's religion.

6557 + 119 = 6676 remarks.

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Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".


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