1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 38

 

SURAH 38: Sad

(Mecca, 614-615 AD)

(The name of Surah has no meaningful translation)

 

001  "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 38/1c: “- - - by the Quran, full of Admonition - - -". A harsh religion of war in a book full of errors? - admonition?

003 38/1d: “- - - by the Quran, full of Admonition: (this is the Truth).” That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact - actually it is proved at least partly wrong. A book that full of mistakes, invalid “signs” and “proofs” and not least a myriad of not documented claims and statements just “hanging in the air”, at best is partly true.

004 38/3: "How many generations before them did We (Allah*) destroy?" A good and benevolent god! (In and around Arabia there were empty buildings and ruins, and there were tales about older, disappeared tribes. Muhammad claimed they all were destroyed because they had sinned against Allah. Science points to a number of other possibilities.)

005 38/4d: "And the Unbelievers say, 'This is a sorcerer telling lies!". Already at that time there were many who saw that at least parts of the Quran could not be true.

####006 38/5a: "He (Muhammad*) has made the gods (all) into one God?" That was not exactly what he did: The took the main pagan Arab god, al-Lah (= the earlier moon god al-Ilah - it is no co-incidence tat the symbol for Islam and for Allah is the crescent moon - and before that he was a main god named Il further east - it also is possible that the name Hubal was another name for al-Lah/Allah, (science tends to believe so, but is not sure), and that Hubal may have been one of the gods earlier named Baal or Ba'al), accepted only his youngest name, Allah, and claimed he was the only real god. Then he sacked all the other Arab and other pagan gods, but not the god of the Jews and the Christians, Yahweh. Instead he said that his god Allah and Yahweh in reality were the same god (a claim which is not true, as the teachings fundamentally are too different). He also claimed that the Arabs from the old had meant that the two were just 2 names for the same god (3 or 4 if Hubal and Ba'al are included, but this Muhammad never mentioned), and this is the official claim today. But lately (2013 AD) we have found that not all scientists are sure about this, as ####there is little or no real documentation for it. If the doubt is correct, this means that also the claimed close connection between Yahweh and Allah is one of Muhammad's claims, only based on Muhammad's own ideas.

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We may add that originally Hubal was the moon god in Arabia, and sources say the Kabah originally was his temple and dedicated to him. But when Muhammad was born, al-Lah - sometimes named Allah - may have taken over as Arabia's main god. It is a bit ironic that a building dedicated to an old moon god (be it Hubal or al-Lah/Allah - because also Allah had been a moon god and the crescent moon still is his symbol) was and is the most holy place on Earth for a claimed and claimed omnipotent god - and as ironic is the fact that if Muhammad had been born earlier, Islam's god might have been named Hubal, not Allah (Muhammad simply took over the claimed mightiest of the pagan Arab gods, and earlier Hubal was reckoned to be the most powerful one - and the moon god like al-Lah had been and perhaps still was).

########We have not mentioned much about al-Lah/Allah's position in the Kabah before Muhammad. The reason is that it is quite unclear. There are the two gods mentioned as the main god for the Quraysh tribe = the main god in the Kabah: Hubal, the moon god, and al-Lah/Allah - also a moon god, at least in southern parts of Arabia. There are clear indications, but no proofs, for that these two really and simply were two names for the same god - perhaps with Hubal as his "personal" name and al-Lah/Allah his title (al-Lah/Allah means "the god", or in this case "the main god").

There also are indications for that there were connections between Hubal and the Ba'al known from f.x. the Bible - similar god and similar name, but in another variety of religion (the name/title das used for some gods in different religions). If this is true, the Quran and Islam are way beyond the Milky Way when they forward claims like Zachariya prayed to Allah/Hubal/Ba'al, or that Jesus preached about Allah/Hubal/Ba'al, as in those times such connections would be known, even if they are forgotten today, and Ba'al represented the Devil to the Jews of those times. (see second part of 1/1d)

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007 38/5b: "Truly - - -". Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim. See 2/2b above.

008 38/6c: "For this (Islam*) truly (definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim*) is a thing designed against you (people*)!" If the Quran is a made up book - and with that many mistakes, contradictions, etc. it is not from any god - they were right.

009 38/8b: "Has the Message been sent - - -". Yes, was it really sent? - and in case from whom? As no god ever was involved in a message that full of errors, contradictions, etc., there remain: Dark forces, a sick brain (TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy?), or a cold, scheming brain - perhaps Muhammad’s.

010 38/8d: "- - - they (opponents of Muhammad*) are in doubt - - -". Wrong - at least for most of them: They were not in doubt, but saw that things were very wrong in this new religion.

011 38/8e: "- - - My (Allah's*) (own) Message!" If the Quran is Allah's message, Allah is far from omniscient - if he exists.

012 38/9b: "(Allah*) the Exalted in Power - - -". He in case never clearly has proved his power.

013 38/9c: "(Allah*) the Grantor of Bounties without measure". Also a never proved claim. Many Muslims grew rich by stealing/robbing from non-Muslims and often enslaving or killing them, or in other ways destroying their lives - acts forever after glorified by Islam and by Muslims. But many a Pagan other places grew rich the same way - it was not the work of Allah, but of injustice, immorality, and inhumanity. And as for a possible next life, the claimed benefits only are claims in a book full of wrongs, and told by the man who institutionalized things like al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), "break even your oath if that gives a better result", and "war is betrayal" (and everything outside Islam is the "land of war"), simply by accepting it or even use it or advice it himself.

The permission to steal/rob, rape and take slaves also was a main reason for many Arabs - and others later - to join Islam.

To steal and rob and destroy for others also is dishonesty to say the least of it. Much of the attraction for the early Muslims - and a weighty part of the Quran's argumentation - was the accepted dishonesty of permitted stealing and robbing and extortion - - - and raping and slave taking.

014 38/10a: "- - - have they (other gods*) the dominion of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth and all between?". The pertinent question here is: Do Allah have? - or is also this just a bluff? (There are bluffs and even outright lies in the Quran - f.x. that miracles would make no-one believe anyhow.)

015 38/10c: "If so, let them mount up with the ropes and means (to reach that end (= to prove it*))!" Everybody else is unreliable if he/she does not prove what they say, but Islam never wants to prove anything, and always evade questions for proofs. This in spite of - or because of? - that the whole religion is built only on a book full of mistakes, etc., and a book dictated by a man of very doubtful morality, but a strong liking for power, wealth for bribes, and women. Further comments should not be necessary.

Well, one: Did any Muslim ever try to mount up?

016 38/12a: "Before them (Muhammad's opponents*) (were many who) rejected messengers - - -". Muhammad claimed Allah through all times and to all people had sent messengers - 124ooo+ through the times is a number mentioned in Hadiths. He even - wrongly - included the old Biblical prophets in this claimed group. But except for the Biblical ones and for Muhammad himself, neither science, nor Islam has found one single trace from any of them anywhere.

017 38/16c: "Hasten to us (some skeptics') our sentence (even before the Day of Account". Some of the skeptics challenged Muhammad to have his god send punishment over them to prove his claims. Muhammad never was able to do so, or in any other way prove anything of any consequence.

018 38/18a: "It was We (Allah*) who made the hills declare, in unison with him, Our (Allah's*) Praises - - -". Animism or anthropomorphism - things you normally only find in primitive religions and fairy tales.

019 38/18b: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Praises - - -". See 1/1a and see if you think he deserves it - if he exists.

020 38/19b: “- - - and the birds gathered (in assemblies): all with him (King David*) did turn (to Allah).” Believe it who wants – we do not believe in assemblies of birds turning towards any god, not unless we get some proofs for it - and not just words which cost zero to produce.

021 38/22b: "- - - injustice - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral and unjust moral and judicial codes - read them and compare to "do unto others like you want others do unto you", and see for yourself.

022 38/24b: "- - - truly (definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim*) many are partners (in business) who wrong each other - - -". A good book does not have stories with lame points - not to mention wrong points. Read the Bible and see the full story behind this tale - and its real point. Muslim mullahs, imams, etc. claiming the Quran is perfect literature, simply know nothing about literature.(2. Sam. 11/1-2 and 2. Sam.12/1-13).

023 38/24c: "- - - good deeds of righteousness - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

024 38/24g: (YA4176): "Judged by ordinary standards, David had done no wrong - - -". No? - according to the Bible he only had taken a married woman for a mistress (she later also became the mother of his son Solomon) and had her husband killed. The comment from A. Yusuf Ali, a recommended Muslim scholar who clearly and many places has showed by his quotes from the Bible, that he knows the Bible well, tells something about Islam when it comes to "explain" the Quran and evade difficult points. It also tells not a little about Islam's moral code even today. #####That what David did to Uriah - and to his wife Bathsheba - is ok according to modern leading Muslim scholars "judged by ordinary standards", tells some miles and even more kilometers about Islam and its moral standard and code.

#################"Judged by ordinary standards, David had done no wrong - - -". Well, now we know what ordinary standards about such things are, according to today's Islam: Take the woman for your mistress, and kill her husband to avoid troubles.

Any comments?

Also: Facts like this document that Islam accepts the use of dishonesty in its teaching (not very surprising when one knows about the rules for al-Taqiyya, etc. etc.)

025 38/26d: "- - - the Path of Allah - - -". The claimed road to the Quran's and Islam's paradise. See 10/9e above.

026 38/26e: "- - - truth (and justice) - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like these, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral and partly unjust moral and judicial codes.

027 38/27a: "- - - (Allah did*) create heaven and the earth and all between - - -". See 6/1e, 11/7a and 21/56c above. 

028 38/28a: “Shall We (Allah*) treat those who believe and work deeds of righteousness (Muslims*) the same as those who do mischief on earth (non-Muslims*)?” Of course not - Muslims are best and deserves best treatment. Just like the Nazi in Germany, the "red" Chinese in Mao's China, the Serbs under Milochowich, communists under Pol Pot, or South Africa under apartheid, to mention a few. They all were the best according to themselves.

But were they right?

029 38/28d: "- - - righteousness - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

##030 38/28f: "- - - mischief - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral and unjust ethical, moral and judicial codes. Muslims have through the times done - and are still doing - much which in any normal such codes are called mischief - but which in the Quran is laudable, "lawful and good", and even heroism.

031 38/28h: "- - - evil - - -". See 38/28f above.

032 38/29b: “Here is a Book (the Quran*) which We (Allah*) have sent down unto thee (Muhammad*) - - -". No god ever sent down what Muhammad did teach - too much was and is wrong in the texts. And too much of the contents are harsh and immoral, for that the maker can have been someone or something good or benevolent.

033 38/29c: “Here is a Book (the Quran*) which We (Allah*) have sent down unto thee (Muhammad*), full of blessings, - - -". A book full of errors and not from a god, is no blessing from anybody.

034 38/29e: “- - - Sign(s) - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39a above.

035 38/29h: “Here is a Book (the Quran*) which We (Allah*) have sent down unto thee (Muhammad*), - - - that they (people*) may mediate on its Signs, and that men of understanding may receive admonition”. Admonition from a book full of errors and not connected to any god?

##036 38/32c: "- - - until (the sun) was hidden in the veil (of night) - - -". Wrong. The night simply is lack of sunshine - it thus in physically impossible for the night to hide the sun and its sunshine. The night is no veil, but just lack of light. Any god had known - Muhammad not. Who made the Quran?

037 38/34d: "We (Allah*) placed on his (Solomon's*) throne a body (without life) - - -". This tale - like so many "Biblical" tales in the Quran - is not from the Bible, and as the Quran is not from any god - too much is wrong - from where did Muhammad get it?.

038 38/35b: "He (Solomon*) said, 'O my Lord (here indicated Allah*)!" Well, the Bible - and science - tells that Solomon's god was Yahweh, not Allah. (Around these times science starts to get better information on the religion of the Jews, and there is no Allah or similar included.

039 38/35d: "- - - Thou (Allah*) art the Grantor of Bounties (without measure)." Often claimed in the Quran, never proved anywhere - lots of claims but never one single proof. Claims are cheap.

040 38/36b: “Then We (Allah*) subjected the wind to his (Solomon’s*) power - - -”. This needs strong evidence - we hardly believe Solomon was able to regulate temperature and air pressure in the atmosphere in such a way as to be the director of the winds. Similar claim in 34/12.

This also is not mentioned in the Bible.

041 38/37: “- - - And also the Satans (including) every kind of builder and diver (had to work for King Solomon*) - - -“. To make us believe this, Islam has to produce very real proofs – this even more so as if it had been true, it had been such a boost to Solomon’s reputation, that it surely had not been forgotten in the Bible - - - and there it is not mentioned. Similar claim in 21/82. (Actually it is "borrowed" from a made up scripture, like so much of the "biblical" stuff in the Quran).

#042 38/44a: “And take in thy hand a little grass and strike therewith, and break no thy oath.” Job had according to another place in the Quran sworn to give his wife 100 whiplashes because she did not believe strongly enough (“no compulsion in religion”?). But then he regretted his oath, and instead struck her lightly once with 100 straws of grass – then he had kept his oath! Cheating is ok in the Quran as you see among other places here - to circumvent an oath or a promise or to only pretend keeping them, is ok - a small example of Kitman or likely a Hilah. And an excellent sample of the moral in the Quran. Dishonesty is ok as long as one can pretend to be honest. But then the Quran accepts dishonesty in several forms - like al-Taqiyya, Kitman, Hilah, some kinds of deceit, and even the disuse of words/promises/oaths. In Islam dishonesty is not necessary dishonesty formally. Islam is the only one of the big religions where many kinds of dishonesty are an accepted part of the religion.

Al-Taqiyya and Kitman, etc. make a problem for every non-Muslim: Is it possible any time at all to know when a Muslim speaks the truth about a serious question? - when he/she is using Al-Taqiyya or Kitman, etc., to cheat you?

But it also is a problem for Muslims: How to make people believe you, even when you are telling the full truth, when they know about the lawful lie and the lawful half-truth (al-Taqiyya and Kitman), etc.? And how to strengthen your word when even oaths are not reliable?

043 38/46a: "Verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See 2/2b above.

044 38/46b: "- - - the company of the Elect and the Good". = Good Muslims. If you believe this about the Jewish patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who here are referred to, it is up to you.

045 38/49a: "- - - verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. In a book with this many mistakes, etc., words like verily cannot be taken at face value, unless there are proofs.

046 38/49a: "- - - verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. In a book with this many mistakes, etc., words like "verily" cannot be taken at face value, unless there are proofs.

##047 38/49b: "- - - the righteous - - -". The Muslims - all good persons the Quran uses from the Bible, included Jesus, were good Muslims.

##As also Jesus is claimed to have been a good Muslim, the claimed falsification of the Bible must have happened later - after the good Muslim(?) Jesus had learnt his OT and Gospels. Muslims often claim that it was Ezra - half a millennium before Jesus - who falsified the OT, but if that had been the truth, the claimed good and correctly believer (according to the Quran) Jesus studied a falsified OT (and a falsified Gospel? - in spite of the fact that Gospel did not and could not exist until later). We also would like to see the combined Jewish/Christian commission working on this falsification job and trying to agree on what to falsify and what not - especially about Jesus.

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THERE IS ONE STRONG FACT CONNECTED TO JESUS AND THE OTHER OLD JEWISH PROPHETS: ACCORDING TO THE QURAN THEY ALL WERE GOD MUSLIMS - AN IMPOSSIBILITY IF THEIR CLAIMED HOLY BOOKS FROM ALLAH WERE FALSIFIED. THUS THE CLAIMED FALSIFICATION OF ALSO OT CANNOT HAVE HAPPENED UNTIL AFTER JESUS (F.X. EZRA COULD NOT HAVE FALSIFIED OT, LIKE SOME MUSLIMS CLAIM - IF HE HAD, JESUS HAD RECEIVED WRONG INFORMATION AND HAD BEEN NO GOOD MUSLIM). THIS IN ADDITION TO THAT THE BOOKS WERE SENT DOWN (DIRECTLY) FROM ALLAH TO THE PROPHETS, ACCORDING TO THE QURAN, AND ERRORS IN THEM THEREFORE SHOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE. ALL THE OLD GOOD MUSLIM PROPHETS INCLUDED JESUS THUS MUST HAVE HAD CORRECT HOLY BOOKS - THE OLD JEWISH SCRIPTURES/OT. IF NOT, F.X. JESUS HAD BEEN TEACHING WRONG THINGS, WHICH HE DID NOT DO ACCORDING TO THE QURAN (and if the scrolls he read from in the synagogues had differed from what he received from Heaven, he had told about it - if not he was a bad Muslim). THE ONLY POSSIBLE CONCLUTION HERE IS THAT ALSO NO PART OF THE OLD SCRIPTURES - OT - CAN HAVE BEEN FALSIFIED UNTIL AFTER JESUS TIME - AFTER THE YEAR 33 AD.

BUT THERE EXIST PLENTY OF MANUSCRIPTS AND FRAGMENTS OLD ENOUGH TO PROVE THAT IT WAS NOT SIMILAR TO THE QURAN AT THAT TIME!!! IT WAS SIMILAR TO THE SCRIPTURES OF TODAY!!!

In addition there is the problem: How in case make Jews and Christians agree on what new texts to use when they falsified (parts of) the Quran into OT??? And how to make ALL Jews spread over large parts of the world accept the new and falsified holy scriptures without any protests - and destroy all the old copies so thoroughly that not one piece of any of them has been found later? This in addition to the claimed falsification of NT and all the impossibilities and improbabilities which have to be "explained" away concerning the claimed falsification of NT.

THIS IS ONE OF THE CLAIMS MUHAMMAD MADE UP.

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048 38/49c: "- - - righteous - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

049 38/50-51: Good food and drink in Paradise. Earthly luxury. Is this the best Paradise a claimed omniscient and omnipotent has to offer his followers? This might be the maximum poor, uneducated, naive warriors in the old Arabia were able to dream about, but would a god make his Paradise from such limited and immature intellects and as limited and immature dreams? Also see 10/9f above.

The fundamental differences between Yahweh's and Allah's paradises are one of the absolute proofs for that the two are not the same god. If they had been, their paradises had been one and the same.

050 38/52a: “And beside them will be chaste women, restraining their glances, (companions) of equal age.” Once more the houris. There is said nothing about how many for each man in the Quran, but in the Hadith it is mentioned up to 72 for a brave warrior. There also is said nothing about how the warrior’s wife or wives felt having to share the husband with many “chaste” women, very likely more beautiful and attractive than themselves. But then: The Quran only bothers about the main person/man in the story – the man and potential or actual warrior.

Secondary persons are to be things (here playthings) for the prime male in the story to use – and who cares about their lives or feelings or happiness? - and the same for the victims of Islam's aggression - not one millimeter of Compassion for them in the entire Quran or the entire Islam. Very similar to f.x. the Mafioso' self-centered non-compassion.

A primitive and inhuman teaching at this point – but excellent for primitive warriors – even today. Also see 38/50-51 just above.

051 38/53a: "Such is the Promise - - -". The trouble here is that there has never been documented one single case of Allah neither giving, nor keeping a promised - never, and not anywhere on Earth. Lots of claims, but never one proved case.

052 38/53b: "Such is the Promise (the primitive paradise in 38/50-52 and 38/52 above*) made to you (Muslims*) for the Day of Account!" To be honest: Yahweh's paradise sounds more interesting - especially in the long run, and also may be more interesting for women.

053 38/54a: "Truly - - -". Similar to f.x. 38/49 above. Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim.

054 38/54b: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Bounty (to you (Muslims*); it will never fail - - -". There has never been registered a case of any kind of bounty provably from Allah. Never. Lots of claims, but never a proved case - and claims are cheap.

055 38/55a: "But for the wrongdoers will be an evil place of (final) Return". Hell. Yes, if the Quran tells the truth and only the truth about everything. If the Quran f.x. is wrong about who are wrongdoers or about Allah being a real god, the picture suddenly changes.

056 38/55c: "- - - wrongdoers - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. It also is one of Muhammad’s many negative names for non-Muslims.

057 38/59b: "Truly - - -". Similar to f.x. 38/49 above. Also see 2/2b above. Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim.

058 38/63: "Did we (non-Muslims/sinners*) treat them (good Muslims*) (as such) in ridicule - - -". Good psychology to tell followers that opponents would have to regret. Own good luck is good, but others' bad luck on top may feel extra good - gloating is good, especially for small souls.

059 38/64a: "Truly - - -". Similar to f.x. 38/49a above. Also see 2/2b above. Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim.

060 38/64b: "- - - just and fitting - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like these, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral and partly unjust moral and judicial codes.

061 38/65b: "Truly - - -". Similar to f.x. 38/49a above. Also see 2/2b above. Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim.

062 38/65c: "Truly I (Muhammad*) am a Warner - - -". In 614-615 when this surah was made, Muhammad only could be a warner. After he became strong enough, he - and his successors - also became enforcers (much of Arabia and other now Muslim area became Muslim on the point of the sword or by other means of pressure backed by the sword.

063 38/65d: "- - - no god is there but the One God (Allah*) - - -". Often claimed, never proved. There also f.x. is the question about Yahweh, the Jewish and Christian god the Quran admits exists, even though the book wrongly mixes him up with Allah. See 2/255a, 6/106b and 25/18a above.

064 38/65e: "(Allah is*) Supreme, Irresistible - - -". Often claimed, never proved. Also see 2/165c.

065 38/66a: "(Allah is*) the Lord of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth - - -". A claim often repeated in the Quran, but never proved anywhere.

066 38/66d: "(Allah*) - - - Exalted in Might". That be as it may, but he in no case has ever showed in any unmistakable way that he is mighty - or even that he exists.

067 38/66e: "(Allah is*) forgiving again and again". There only are 2 who can forgive - the victim and a god. This claim only can be true if Allah exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

068 38/67b: ”That (the Quran*) is a Message Supreme - - -”. See 38/29a-e above. Such a book definitely is no supreme message.

069 38/68: "(A claimed message*) From which ye (non-Muslims*) do turn away!" Many may have had a good reason; they saw there was much wrong in the new religion.

070 38/69a: "No knowledge have I (Muhammad*) - - -". When one looks at the sorry quality of the Quran, and at all these mistakes, contradictions, etc. in the book, one is tempted to agree to this.

071 38/69b: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 26/83a above.

072 38/70a: "Only this has been revealed to me (Muhammad*) - - -". But is it really revealed? - and in case from whom, as no god was involved in a work that full of mistakes, etc. like the Quran?

073 38/70b: "Only this has been revealed to me (Muhammad*): that I am going to give (peaceful*) warning plainly and publicly". This was around 614-615 AD. Later things changed: This verse is abrogated – made invalid - and contradicted by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/38, 3/85, 3/148, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 8/12, 8/38, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many bloody threats, but also verses advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 28 abrogations).

074 38/69a: "No knowledge have I (Muhammad*) - - -". When one looks at the sorry quality of the Quran, and at all these mistakes, contradictions, etc. in the book, one is tempted to agree on this.

075 38/75-82: The same story as in 15/33-39 above (Muhammad had a strong tendency to repeat himself – not god for literature quality), but with the addition of why Iblis did not want to prostrate himself for Adam: “I am better than he: Thou createdst me from fire, and him Thou createdst from clay.” Iblis was haughty or - if he was in cohorts with Allah in a game for having a reason for creating Hell – he played haughty.

If Allah created Iblis/the Devil and Hell, is Allah then a good and benevolent god? - this especially if he had everything predestined and thus did decide what was going to happen to everybody? Remember here that Allah predestines everything, and that nobody and nothing can change what he has decided - his Plan - according to many verses in the Quran.

Nothing like this in the Bible.

076 38/76-85: This is how Hell came into existence according to the Quran - with the permission of Allah (or some Muslim scholars say on the initiative of Allah). Is Allah then a good god? (One may say that in GT also Yahweh was harsh sometimes - before the new covenant. But whether Yahweh is/was good and benevolent, is a question irrelevant to if Allah is good and benevolent - it only is a good means often used to waylay a debate, and only belongs in the debate: "Which one is the most good and benevolent of Allah or Yahweh")

077 38/78: "- - - My (Allah's*) course shall be on thee (Iblis/the Devil*) till the day of Judgment". But what about afterwards? This really is an interesting Question, because according to the Quran, the dead ones stay in their graves until that day. If Allah's curse on the Devil does not run until then - well, what then? what may that mean? The Quran does not answer this. (As it is told that Hell goes on forever or at least for a very long time, it is likely this question does not mean much, but it is a question which should have been answered.) What is more: This just is one of the many never proved claims in the Quran.

########But if Allah lifts his course on Iblis at the Day of Doom, does this mean they are friends again? - in spite of what it seems Iblis is doing to humans and Jinns in Hell? - the good and benevolent god Allah??

078 38/82: "- - - in the wrong - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. The qualifications for the Quran’s Hell are on many points quite different from in the Bible. (One of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.)

079 38/84: "- - - just and fitting - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

080 38/85a: "- - - I (Allah*) will certainly fill Hell - - -". This tells something about Allah".

081 38/85b: "- - - thee and those who that follow thee - - -". Here Iblis/the devil and his followers (non-Muslims according to Muslims*) - a never proved claim.

082 38/86a: “No reward do I (Muhammad*) ask for this (Quran) - - -“ - - - except absolute power over you all + plenty of women + plenty of valuables for bribes + free or nearly free warriors for raids and wars to gain more power and more riches for more raids and wars and bribes and power. Dishonesty. Obvious dishonesty.

083 38/86b: "- - - nor am I (Muhammad*) a pretender". One of the many easy and never proved claims in the Quran.

084 38/87a: “- - - a Message to all the Worlds (plural and wrong*).” Likely the Quran and Islam should reach all the 7 Earths that the Quran mentions – but there are no 7 Earths (flat ones - and also one above the other according to Hadiths.) See 65/12 below. But humanity should beware that Islam is intended for the entire world - included suppression of all non-Muslims. This actually is the official goal for the Quran - #### included the suppression of all others ########### "till they pay Jizya (extra tax*) with willing submission".

085 38/87c: "- - - the Worlds - - -". According to the Quran there are 7 (flat) worlds (65/12b). According to Hadiths they are laying one on top of the other over Hell, and the lower the "Earth" - and thus the neared Hell", the more hellish are the conditions for its inhabitants. Just like your teacher of geography and astronomy told you at school?

086 38/88a: “And ye (non-Muslims*) shall certainly know the truth of it (the Quran*) (all) after a while”. See 38/29 or 40/75 - it is at best partly true as the Quran at best is partly the truth.

6087 + 86 = 6173 remarks.

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Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".


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This work was upload with assistance of M. A. Khan, editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery".