1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 29


SURAH 29: Al-'Ankabut (The Spider)

(621-624 AD? Late Mecca or early Medina)


001  "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

#002 29/2a: “Do men think - - - they will not be tested?” But why is it necessary to test anyone if Allah is omniscient and knows everything before? – yes, in spite of that he even decides everything before? (in spite of the claim that man has (limited?) personal freedom to decide – though even Islam is unable to explain how it is possible to combine the statement that Allah decides everything before, with the statement that man has free will - full or partly - (not strange, as it is a version of the time travel paradox, and that paradox is proved unsolvable)) – if all this, then why are tests necessary to find an answer Allah already knows?

003 29/3b: "- - - Allah will certainly know - - -". As Allah is claimed to be for one thing omniscient, and for another thing predestines everything before it is said or happens, he of course knows everything. (All the same he had/has to test even his followers - f.x by sending them on raids for riches and slaves/victims for extortion for Muhammad. Why? Is it not true he is omniscient?)

004 29/3e: "- - - certainly - - -". See 2/2b above.

005 29/3f: "- - - good - - - bad - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it normally is meant in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

006 29/4b: "- - - evil - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

007 29/5f: "- - - He (Allah*) hears and knows (all things)". See 2/233h above.

008 29/6b: “And if any strive for (with might and main), they do so for their own souls - - -“. If you f.x. go to war or take part in raids, you gain merit from Allah. ("The Religion of Peace"?)

009 29/6c: "- - - Allah is free of all needs from all creations". Similar is claimed several places in the Quran, but like always concerning central claims in the book, never proved. It may be true if Allah exists and is a god. It of course is true if Allah does not exist. It may be not true if Allah exists and belongs to the dark forces.

010 29/7b: "- - - righteous - - -". Beware that when words like this are used in the Quran, it is with references to the partly immoral moral code in the Quran.

011 29/7c: "- - - blot out all evil - - -". = Forgive. Forgiving from the god is an essential part also in the Quran, but forgiving all the same is less central, and your deeds more central in the Quran, than in f.x. NT. This distance is enlarged by the effect of the Quran's often big gap between its (im)moral code and "do unto others like you want others do unto you"

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

012 29/7d: "- - - evil - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance to its own partly immoral moral code.

013 29/7e: "- - - We (Allah*) shall reward them (good Muslims in the possible next life*) according to their best deeds (and the best deed for Muslims, is war or raids for Allah and Muhammad and his successors*)". This only is true if Allah exists and is a major god, and if the Quran in addition has told the full truth and only the truth on relevant points - and if he can reward/punish without changing his own unchangeable predestined Plan. One more never proved claim.

####014 29/8e: "- - - knowledge - - -". Comment (A29/4): "According to Razi, this phrase may also allude to concepts not evolved through personal knowledge but, rather, acquired through a blind, uncritical acceptance of other people's views (taqlid)". How many Muslims have become Muslims because they have studies diverse religions and found that in spite of all the errors in the Quran, this must be the one and true religion, and ###########how many simply have accepted what their surroundings and fathers have claimed to be the truth - a #taqlid#?

015 29/8h: "- - - (the truth) - - -". See 2/2b above.

016 29/9b: "- - - righteous deeds - - -". See 29/7b above.

017 29/10b: "- - - if help comes (to thee (people*) from thy Lord (Allah*) - - -". There has not been one single proved case of help from Allah ii the entire history or prehistory. Guess if Muslims had told about it if such a case had existed!. There have been lots of claims, but not one proved case.

018 29/11a: "And Allah most certainly knows those who believe, and as certainly those who are Hypocrites". See 2/233h above.

019 29/11b: "- - - most certainly - - -". See 2/2b above.

###020 29/12f: "- - - fact - - -". See 2/2b above - especially when you meet words like "fact" and "truth" and a few others, you should check carefully, as most often it really only are claims or statements, not facts or proved truth.

021 29/14a: "We (Allah*) (once) sent Noah - - -". According to the Bible, the god of Noah was Yahweh. We may add that the story in the Quran about Noah, roughly is similar to the one in the Bible. But many details are different or added. As the Quran with all its errors and weaknesses is from no god, so that he cannot have got those details that way (in spite of strong claims), it is an open question from where Muhammad got them.

022 29/14d: "- - - Sin - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. We also may mention that just this word often covers very different deeds, acts, words, and thoughts in the Quran and Islam, compared to in more normal religions (Islam is a religion of war - in spite of its loud slogans), not to mention how much its meaning in the Quran often differs from the basic of all human moral; "do against others like you want others do against you". Read the surahs from Medina and weep.

One small remark: As Yahweh's religion and f.x. moral code at many points are totally different from Allah's, you may qualify for Yahweh's Paradise even if Muslims condemn you to Hell - if both exists.

023 29/16a: Abraham delivered from Nimrod's fire. Taken from the story "Midrash Rabbah", not from the Bible - there is nothing similar in the Bible about Abraham in the Bible, but there is one about Daniel 1000+ years later, which may have inspired this "story". And another point: Abraham and Nimrod did not live at the same time (if they ever lived). Nimrod was the great grandson of Noah (1. Mos. 10/1-8: Noah - Ham - Cush - Nimrod), and if he is not a fiction, he lived 3ooo - 6ooo BC (if Noah perhaps lived around 3600 BC, Nimrod then should live a century or some more later). Whereas Abraham - if he ever lived - lived some 1800 - 2ooo BC. Perhaps 1800-2ooo years after Nimrod? Muhammad had a strong tendency to mix persons from different times (f.x. Haman and Ramses II/Xerxes - some 800 years wrong. Or Mary and Miriam - some 1200 years wrong.)

024 29/16b: "- - - Abraham - - -" For one thing according to the Bible, his name was Abram - he did not get the name Abraham until he was 99 years old (1. Mos. 17/1-5). In addition here he is a time anomaly.

025 29/16d: "- - - if ye (some non-Muslims*) understand!". The problem is that if people really have knowledge and understanding, they also understand that many things are wrong in the Quran, and thus that there is no god behind that book - or in this case a similar one, as this is from the time of Noah (a prophet of Islam according to the Quran - with all its errors).

026 29/17e: "- - - be grateful to Him (Allah*) - - -". Reasonable only if he exists and is a god, a joke if he does not exist, an irony if he exists and belongs to the dark forces.

027 29/17f: "- - - to Him (Allah*) will be your (humans'*) return". Always claimed, never proved. True only if Allah exists and is a major god, and is like what the Quran claims - thought-provoking as no god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran (far too many errors, etc.).

028 29/17g: "- - - to Him (Allah*) will be your (humans'*) return". Contradicted by the Bible, which says your return will be to Yahweh, not to Allah. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

029 29/18a: "And if ye (Noah's people*) reject (the Message (Islam*)) - - -". Like all the other heroes in the Quran, Noah was a good Muslim. Believe it if you want. (It is very unclear if and when Noah lived, but likely sometime between 3ooo and 6ooo BC - if ever.) There is a chance it was around 3600 BC, because there was an enormous flood in Mesopotamia/Iraq at that time (found by science in the 1920s, but little known) - perhaps the flood of Noah. Science - and Islam - has found no trace from a god like Allah, a religion like Islam, or a book like the Quran older than 610 AD, when Muhammad started his teaching. And be sure Islam had screamed about it if anything had been found.

030 29/18c: “- - - the duty of the messenger is only to preach publicly (and clearly).” Well, as Muhammad grew more powerful, so did his wish for controlling the locals’ and later the Arabs’ lives and religious ideas - - - force and punishment became means to a goal. With the necessary changes in the religion, and contradictions and necessary abrogations compared to the more peaceful 12 years in Mecca. This verse is abrogated – made invalid - by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/38, 3/85, 3/148, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 8/12, 8/38, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many bloody threats, but also verses advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 28 abrogations).

031 29/19a: "See they (people*) not how Allah originates creation - - -". How is it possible to see that, when it nowhere is shown? An interesting claim, really, as Allah nowhere has proved his power neither for creation, nor for recreation, whereas Yahweh has done so according to both the Bible and the Quran - if they tell the truth on these points (1. Kings 17/22, 2. Kings 4/34-35, Mark 5/41, John 11/44, Luke 7/15, Matt. 27/52, Acts 9/40, Acts 20/10, the Quran 5/110i). Also see 21/56c+e above.

032 29/19c: "- - - truly - - -". Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim. See 2/2b above.

033 29/19d: "- - - that is easy for Allah". Often claimed, never proved. Claims are cheap.

034 29/20b: "Travel through the earth and see how Allah did originate creation". ???! It is nowhere shown in all this wide world.

Actually we have travelled through a good part of the Earth. We have seen a lot of nature and culture - even seen and heard about some things worth a god (and some worth a devil - like war and terrorism). But we have seen or heard no proof of a god - and absolutely no proof of Allah, with the possible exception that such a gruesome and warlike god - in spite of all words about kindness and benevolence - may be the explanation of some horrific actions taking place in the name of Allah here and there.

Also see 21/56c+e above.

035 29/20e: "- - - Allah has power over all things". Often claimed in the Quran, never proved anywhere.

036 29/21c: "- - - (Allah's*) Mercy - - -". See 1/1a above.

037 29/21d: "- - - towards Him (Allah*) are ye (Muslims*) turned". Perhaps - but according to the Bible, they had done better turning towards Yahweh, and especially so if Allah does not exist (not to mention if he belongs to the dark forces, which too many points for comfort may indicate in the Quran). If neither Yahweh nor Allah exists, it matters little where one turns, but all the same one should live according to "do to others like you want others do to you".

#####038 29/22a: “Not on earth nor in heaven will ye be able (fleeing) to frustrate (His Plan) - - -“. Predestination. No-one can change what Allah has destined in his Plan. What then about the effect of f.x. prayers? - and what about free will for man? - not to mention: What then about man's moral responsibility for his words and deeds? - and not to forget: What about forgiving (which means Allah will have to change his original Plan on that point)? At least something is wrong.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not, many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. In cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1) Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other.)

039 29/23d: "- - - the Meeting with Him (Allah*) (in the Hereafter) - - -". Always claimed, never proved. True only if Allah exists and is like what the Quran claims - thought-provoking as no god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran (far too many errors, etc.).

040 29/23f: "- - - My (Allah's*) Mercy - - -". See 1/1a above.

041 29/24d: "Slay him (Abram/Abraham*) or burn him". Actually there is said nothing in the Bible about Abram/Abraham having troubles in Ur in Chaldea, where he came from (1. Mos. 11/29-31). And actually this tale is "borrowed" from the story "Midrash Rabbah", and as for Nimrod's fire - another point here is: Abraham and Nimrod did not live at the same time (if they ever lived). Nimrod was the great grandchild of Noah and lived (?) 1ooo - 4ooo (1800 - 2ooo?) years before Abraham. Muhammad had a strong tendency to mix persons from different times (f.x. Haman and the time of Ramses II/Xerxes - some 800 years wrong. Or Mary and Miriam - some 1200 years wrong.)

042 29/24g: "- - - Signs - - -". There nowhere exist any kinds of signs proving Allah. Some of the signs taken from the Bible may be exceptions, but they in case prove Yahweh, who in spite of the many, but never proved claims from Islam, are not the same god as Allah - too fundamental differences in the teachings. And remember: Science - and Islam against their will and wish - has proved that there are no falsifications in the Bible also these claims from Islam only were based on air and on other loose claims. Further this is one of the cases where this kind of claims in the Quran is extra ironic: A claim from a made up tale is a "Sign" - Quran-speak for "proof" - for Allah!

043 29/25d: "- - - your (non-Muslims'*) abode will be the Fire - - -". = You will go to Hell in the claimed next life. One of the very many never proved claims in the Quran. Also see 3/77b above.

044 29/26d: "- - - for He (Allah*) is Exalted in Might - - -". This is about the Lord of Lot. In the Bible this was Yahweh (or El in the really old times - see 29/27a below) - a god who has proved his might several times if either the Bible or the Quran tells the truth on this point. But here in the Quran it is claimed to be Allah. Allah has never proved any power in any way (the Quran tries to claim he has proved himself, by claiming that Allah is the same god as Yahweh, but this never proved and not provable claim is wrong, as their teachings fundamentally by far are too different. And we here remind you that also Muhammad's pet claim - like normal for central points in the Quran never proved - that the "explanation" was that the Bible is falsified, also is proved wrong by science beyond any reasonable and unreasonable doubt, and even more so by Islam's inability to find even a single falsified relevant old manuscript among the many thousands which exists.

045 29/26e: "- - - for He (Allah is*) - - - Wise". See 29/27a just below - Allah never has proved his wisdom either.

046 29/27d: "- - - the Righteous - - -". Beware that when words like this are used in the Quran, it is with references to the partly immoral moral code in the Quran - though perhaps reasonably correctly used just here.

047 29/28a: “- - - Lut (Lot*); behold, he said to his people (the people of Sodom and Gomorrah*) - - -.” Wrong. Those people for one thing were not Lot’s “natural” people, as he was a stranger from very far away (Ur of the Chaldeans in what now is South Iraq, but here living near the Dead Sea), and for another both the Bible and the Quran make it very clear that he also was not a naturalized member of those communities – he was an outsider. (May be the Quran tells they were his people so as to be able to say he was a prophet to his own people, like they falsely claim every prophet was – in spite of Joseph (Egypt), Moses (Sinai (or Sudan ?) 40 years), Abraham (Canaan), Lot (Dead See area), Jonah (Nineveh)).

048 29/28c: “Do you (men of Sodom and Gomorrah*) commit lewdness (homosexuality*), such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you.” Wrong. Homosexuality was nothing new – it even exists among some “higher” animals, sometimes as a sign of dominance – and it is in the DNA of a minor part of humanity (women with this gene has a tendency to get more children than average, therefore the gene has survived). Islam also will have to answer what all the young slave boys for the harems were for (2/3 of the slaves imported to Muslim areas were women and children, included boys, according to Encyclopedia Britannica - to the Americas 2/3 were men for the plantations). If Islam stays on their claim that this was something “no people in humanity (ever) committed before”, they will have to prove it. Any god had known this - then who made the Quran? Similar claim in 7/80.

049 29/30c: "- - - do mischief - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. When f.x. Muslims went raiding for wealth and captives and power, it was not mischief, but heroism. And terrorists today are not making mischief - they are heroes - - - for a book not from a god - and for a god most likely made up.

050 29/35a: “- - - an evident Sign - - -.” There are no evident or clear signs for Allah – or for Muhammad’s connection to a God - in the entire Quran or anywhere else. See 2/39a and 2/99 above. Besides if Sodom and Gomorrah are signs for anything, it is for Yahweh, not for Allah. Not to mention: Nobody knows where Sodom and Gomorrah were (if they really were), except that it was in the region of the Dead Sea - not much of an evident sign for the posteriori at least.

051 29/36b: "- - - the Madyan (people) - - -" It is unlikely this is the same area which in the Bible is called Midian, and where Moses later lived for 40 years after his fight from Egypt, according to the Bible. (Also according to the Quran, but there it is not said for how long). But Moses' Midian also may have been in Sudan - one does not know for sure. All the same the very most likely place for Midian was in Sinai, among other reasons because the Bible mentions Mt. Horeb (likely another name for Mt. Sinai) and Mt. Sinai (today Jabal Musa (34 degrees east, 28.5 degrees east. Roughly 70 km north northwest from Sharm-el-Sheik (Sharm el Shaykh) far south in central Sinai. Also the Islam confirms that it was here Moses met his god and got the mission to take the Jews out from Egypt. This is far from Madyan in Arabia. And f.x. Mt. Sinai naturally is in Sinai, not in Arabia.

052 29/36e: "Serve Allah". This is pretended to be from the time well before Moses. Science had found no traces from teachings about Muhammad's Allah earlier than 610 AD.

053 29/36f: "Serve Allah". Risky and in vain if he does not exist - not to mention if there somewhere exists a real god Muslims have been prohibited from looking for. Or if Allah belongs to the dark forces.

054 29/36h: "- - - evil - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

055 29/36i: "- - - mischief". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. This word in the Quran frequently has a very different meaning from in normal languages, not to mention in civilized normal languages.

056 29/40a: "- - - some of them (here the Egyptians*) We (Allah*) drowned - - -". This refers to the claimed drowning of the pharaoh - but it is wrong: Pharaoh Ramses II did not drown (and because of that Muslims wants it to have happened earlier under more obscure pharaohs, but science is in little doubt. Also this fits the number of years given in the Bible.)

057 29/40c: "It was not Allah Who injured (or oppressed) them (non-Muslims*): they inquired (and oppressed) their own souls". Wrong if they were forced to do what they did by Allah's predestination - predestination the Quran several places says is total and according to Allah's unchangeable Plan. (Here either this claim or the claim that Allah predestines everything - or both - is/are wrong.

058 29/42c: "- - - He (Allah*) is Exalted (in power) - - -". Well, in case he has never clearly proved his power.

059 29/42d: "- - - He (Allah*) is - - - Wise". Not if the Quran is representative for his wisdom.

060 29/44b: "Allah created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth in true (proportions) - - -". f.x. 7 material heavens, one above the other, and 7 flat Earths (65/12 - according to Hadiths also here one above the other). Nonsense. See 6/1e, 11/7a and 21/56c+e above.

061 29/45a: "Recite what is sent down of the Book (the Quran*) - - -" At least the Quran is not sent down from a god - too many mistaken facts, other mistakes, contradictions, cases of invalid logic, etc.

062 29/45c: "- - - sent down the Book (the Quran*) by inspiration - - -". This is a very diffuse way - very open to ideas, convenient inclusions, and so on. ALSO MUHAMMAD NEVER PROVED THE CLAIM.

063 29/45e: "- - - regular prayers - - -". This demand for regular prayers - 5 times a day - was so essential for Allah (he even wanted more often according to Hadiths) that it became one of the 5 "pillars" of Islam. For Yahweh such formalism was so totally without any interest, that no similar rule - not even the idea - at all is mentioned in the entire Bible: Pray when there is a reason or a need or a wish. One of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Also see 23/9b above.

064 29/45g: "- - - shameful and unjust deeds - - -". Beware that when words like this are used in the Quran, it is with references to the partly immoral moral code in the Quran itself - raping captive women or girls or stealing/robbing, all in the name of Allah, f.x. is not shameful.

#065 29/45h: “- - - remembrance of Allah is the greatest (thing in life) without doubt.” There is much doubt about this if he has composed the Quran - the mistakes prove he in case is very far from omniscience, the valueless “signs” and “proofs” proves he is not very good at logical thinking, and his use of invalid excuses and his inability to send proofs of his existence, proves he is not omnipotent. And if someone else made the Quran, the doubt is even greater, as then both the Quran and Islam are without any value at all - or with negative value, as much of the religion is rather inhuman (f.x. wars, terrorism, suppression of all non-Muslims, suppression of women and freedom to rape many of them, thoughts about slavery, and enmity towards non-Muslims, thieving, dishonesty, and more).

066 29/45j: "And Allah knows the (deeds) that ye do". The old reminder: Allah knows - do not try cheating him or his representatives. Also see 2/233h above.

#####67 29/46b: “And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation) - - -". With force or weapons? A clear message in reality.

068 29/46e: "- - - inflict wrong - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

069 29/46ea: "- - - revelation (the Quran*) - - -". Is the Quran a revelation? There are 3 alternatives: Revelation (though not from a god as too much is wrong in the book - also hardly from a devil unless the god made all the mistakes a condition to give man a chance to see something was wrong), illness (f.x. TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy), or cold planning for power, like so many self proclaimed "prophets". Or a combination of 2 or 3 of these

070 29/46ec: "We (Muslims*) believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which has come down to you (Jews/Christians*) - - -". The implication here is that the Bible originally had the same messages as the Quran (but that it has been falsified). For one thing science has proved beyond any even unreasonable doubt (but beyond mental blindness or wishful thinking is impossible) that there is no falsification in the Bible - and Islam has proved it even stronger by being unable to find one single case of falsification among the many thousands of old papers which exist.

And for another thing the two teachings are so fundamentally different - too different to come from the same god. This claim simply is one of the many loose and never documented claims in the Quran which is wrong. Unless Islam for once proves something. The Quran simply is no confirmation of the Bible - not by many long shots.

####071 29/46f: “- - - our (Muslims*) and your (Jews and Christians*) god is one - - -”. This is not correct unless he is schizophrenic, as too many fundamental aspects are too different between the two teachings. To mention a few points (there are MANY more):


The New Testament:

Do not kill without a good reason.

Do not kill.

To wage war is a religious duty.

Do not kill.

An eye for an eye.

Turn the other cheek.

You cannot carry another’s burden.

Carry your fellow man’s burden.

Religion shall run the country.

My land is not of this world.

Be killed for Allah and go to Paradise.

Become like a child to go to Paradise.

Paradise = Earth-like luxury plus women

Paradise = Become like the angels.

(for women = Earth-luxury and a share of the husband).

(for women = Become like the angels.)

Paradise = resurrected body.

Paradise = the soul lives on.

Do not lie except for good reason.

Do not lie.

Do not mourn the unbeliever.

“The lost sheep”.

Break an oath and pay expiation for it.

To break any oat is a severe sin.

Al-Taqiyya – Muslims’ lawful lie.

Do not lie.

Kitman - Muslims' lawful half-truth.

Do not lie.

To rob and steal may be “lawful and good”.

Do not steal.

To rape a female captive slave - child or adult - is “lawful and good”.

So immoral that it is not even mentioned.

Help others to gain merit in heaven.

Help others because they need it – and gain merit in heaven.

#A similar sentence exists also in Islam (in Hadiths), but it is so well hidden and forgotten and sleeping, that we never have heard it quoted even from Muslims trying to prove what a benevolent religion Islam is.

(For those who do not know: Jesus said that if someone hit you on one cheek, turn the other towards him = answer bad with good. And: Jesus said that a good shepherd would search for a lost sheep = to save a lost soul is very valuable, and there is reason to mourn the not saved ones.)

We know both religions have been misused – though with one serious difference: Christ has been misused in contradiction to his teaching, Islam very often because of and in accordance with the Quran’s often bloody teaching and lack of real moral.

But these are some of the teachings – some of the fundamental points. And it is worth repeating here that science (and even more so Islam) has proved that the Bible is not falsified – a few mistakes, but no falsifications. This in spite of the Quran’s and Islam’s never documented claims of much falsification. Islam will have to show proofs for the claims if they wants to be believed – proofs they have been unable to find in 1400 years. (We also reminding you that the only other alternative is that something is seriously wrong with the Quran and hence with Islam, as no god makes a book full of errors, etc.). Only Islam says it is the same god - and they are wrong, unless the god is mentally ill. Similar claims in 2/139 -3/64 – 42/13.

(For those who do not know: Jesus said that if someone hit you on one cheek, turn the other towards him = do not take revenge, and answer bad with good. And: Jesus said that a shepherd would search for a lost lamb (or sheep) = to save a lost soul is very valuable, and there is every reason to mourn the not saved ones.)

We know both religions have been misused – though with one serious difference: Christ has been misused in contradiction to his teachings, Islam very often in accordance with its teachings, because of the Quran’s often bloody religion and lack of real moral on too many points. The sentences above are some of the teachings – some of the fundaments.

Also see separate chapter - hopefully to be launched in 2012 AD - in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran", Book A under http://www.1000mistakes.com .

072 29/47a: “- - - We (Allah*) have sent down the Book (the Quran*) - - -“. No god ever sent down a book with that many mistakes, etc. – not to mention revered it in his own “home” as the "Mother Book". (13/39 - 43/4 - 85/21-22.)

073 29/47d: "- - - none but the Unbelievers reject Our (Allah's*) Signs". Did they refuse the claimed signs because they were unbelievers - or were they unbelievers because the "signs" were without value as real indications or proofs? The use of invalid "proofs" tell something sinister to everyone who discovers the wrongs.

074 29/48b: (A29/46): "It is historically established that Muhammad, the 'unlettered prophet', could neither read nor write (##not correct - science for several reasons believe this is not true, but an alibi Muhammad used against the ones who claimed he made up things himself - his statement was that as he could not read or write, he could not make up a book. Wrong logic, but it worked*), and could not, therefore, have derived his extensive knowledge of the contents of earlier revelations from the Bible or other scriptures: which - as the Quran points out - ought to convince any unprejudiced person that this knowledge must have come to him through divine revelation". 

###This is helpless kindergarten nonsense. For one thing Muhammad had no extensive knowledge of the Bible or the Jewish scriptures - most of his tales in the Quran were taken not from there, but from apocryphal (made up) tales, legends, fairy tales, etc. told in lazy evenings and other times for pastime in Arabia like in all primitive and not so primitive societies. The sources for his stories in the Quran mostly are known, so there is no doubt about this - except that he afterwards claimed that his fancy stories were the true ones from the Bible, and that the Bible and the other scriptures were falsified, and that was why they did not agree with his "revelations".

But this aside, and even if he in addition could not read: There was no problem for a well off businessman with a rich wife to pay someone a little for reading for him. Further: He did not have to know how to read to be able to listen to stories, and remember that in most old cultures the telling of stories was a normal pastime in the evenings. And this is such a well known fact, that Muhammad Asad knew it before he wrote his comment.

Finally, but not least there is the mentioned fact that science doubts that the claim that Muhammad could not read and write is true - much is wrong in the Quran, and science believe that is one of the wrong points. F.x. Muhammad was from a good family - it is unlikely he was not taught how to write and read. Further he was a businessman and businessmen need to know both letters and numbers - and Muhammad was intelligent and could easily pick up such things. Also it is highly unlikely his rich first wife, Khadiyya, would let an analphabetic person run her quite big business - and not least: There are points in Islamic texts indicating or proving that he was not analphabetic. F.x. when he was dying, he asked for a pen, because he wanted to write down something.

"Arguments" like this tell a lot about Islam and about Muslim scholars - not to mention about lack of real arguments. We could tell what we mean about this level of argumentation, but we do not like to use words like "rubbish", etc.

075 29/48c: "- - - in that case (if Muhammad could read and write*), indeed, would talkers of vanities have doubted (in his tales*)". Many did - and looking at all the mistakes in his stories, they had plenty of reasons for doubt.

076 29/49b: "- - - Signs self-evident - - -". Wrong to say the least of it. There is not one single proved sign for Allah or for Muhammad's connection to a god in all the Quran, and also not anywhere else. If a proved or self-evident sign really had existed, Islam had quoted it to every living soul in each sermon and each debate and book and article ever performed or published. There also do not exist "signs" anywhere which are self evident proofs of a god, not to mention for Allah. It simply does not exist.(You bet religious people had found it if it really had existed).

Another question: Who use arguments and "proofs" of this quality? The cheat, the swindler, the fast-talker, the deceiver.

077 29/49c: "- - - Signs self-evident - - -". It may be impolite to mention it, but even today Muslims have to resort to arguments of this quality - a proof for that they have very little of real arguments.

078 29/49e: "- - - those endowed with knowledge - - -". Comment YA3479: "'Knowledge' ('ilm) means both power of judgment in discerning the value of truth and acquaintance with previous revelations." As we have mentioned several places, words like knowledge in Islam only means knowledge related to religion and the Quran/Islam. Other knowledge was "foreign knowledge" and unwanted (and more or less came to an end in Muslim area in 1095 AD - a century later in the far vest - with the book "The Incoherence of the Philosophers" by "the greatest Muslim after Muhammad", al-Ghazali.

Besides YA here is wrong: "Knowledge" represents the facts. The rest - the ability to evaluate the knowledge - is "wisdom" or "intelligence".

079 29/49f: "- - - none but the unjust reject Our (Allah's*) Signs." Wrong. They also are rejected at least by everyone who see that the claimed "signs" are just loose and never proved claims, and thus without value as indication or proof for Allah or for Muhammad's connection to a god. And they are not "believers", but "knowers".

080 29/50c: "Why are not Signs (proofs*) sent down to him (Muhammad*) from his Lord (Allah*)?" One of the many requests for proofs. Muhammad never was able to prove any of his central claims.

081 29/50e: "The Signs are indeed with Allah - - -". One of Muhammad's ways of explaining the requests for proofs away: It was for Allah to decide showing signs (and Allah did not want, because miracles would not make anyone believe anyhow. Wrong.)

082 29/50h: "- - - I (Muhammad*) am indeed a clear Warner". This surah is from 621 - 624 AD. It was around or shortly after this time he started to also indeed become an enforcer.

083 29/51a: "And is it not enough for them (non-Muslim opponents of Muhammad*) that We (Allah*) have sent down to thee (Muhammad*) the Book - - -". Of course it was not enough to send down(?) a book which every Jew and every Christian and many others saw was full of mistakes! After all it is as easy to falsify written as verbal words.

084 29/51b: "And is it not enough for them (non-Muslims*) that We (Allah*) have sent down to thee (Muhammad*) the Book - - -". Comment (A29/50): "I.e., are the contents of this revelation not enough for them (the skeptics*) to make them grasp its intrinsic truth without help of 'miraculous proofs' of its divine origin?'" This is logical nonsense on the same level as 29/48b above - and even more so when one remembers all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran.

It also tells a lot about what arguments and "proofs" Muslims and Islam have, when they are forced to stoop to this kind of claims/arguments - especially when you know the real quality of the Quran.

085 29/51f: "- - - a Reminder - - -". Here it is indicated that the Quran is the correction of the falsified Bible and a reminder of the correct - earlier and not falsified scriptures. The problem is that both science and Islam thoroughly have proved that the Bible is not falsified - some mistakes, but no falsifications (identical to the old scriptures, except for minor deviations normal for hand copied scriptures).

086 29/52d: "- - - believe in vanities - - -". To slander opponents and their meanings, is an old art.

087 29/53e: “- - - had it not been for a term (of respite) appointed, the Punishment would certainly have come to them - - -.” Are you able to recognize fast-talk?.

088 29/53f: “- - - had it not been for a term (of respite) appointed (by Allah*), the Punishment would certainly have come to them (non-Muslims*) - - -”. Very well - then Muhammad had an explanation why “bad” people lived a good life, and he had to prove nothing - it just was Allah’s unfathomable will which did it, or like in this case; his predestined Plan. Proof?

089 29/53h: "- - - certainly - - -". See 2/2b above.

090 29/54c: "They ask thee (Muhammad*) to hasten the Punishment- - -". Opponents repeatedly dared Muhammad to send punishment to them as a proof for his tales. Muhammad never was able to do so - his only replies were fast-talk of different kinds.

091 29/54d: “- - - of a surety, Hell will encompass the Rejecters (non-Muslims*) of the Faith (Islam*).” No, this is no surety with all the mistakes in the Quran strongly reducing a reader’s belief in the reality and reliability of the religion. Even more: If someone has made up the Quran, and there exists another, real religion, the rejecters of Muhammad and Islam have a chance of finding that religion, but Muslims not.

092 29/55b: "Taste ye (sinners*) (the fruits) of your deeds!" In the Quran your good and bad deeds counts heavily for whether you will end in Heaven or Hell - but mind you: Judged according to the Qurans partly immoral moral code.

####The influence of points like this or of the opposite - promises of rewards for good deeds/obedience to the Quran's/Muhammad's demands and rules - on the Quran's/Islam's moral code is obvious: To go by Muhammad's/the Quran's rules is morally good, and the other way around. This is one of the reasons why parts of the Quran's and Islam's - and Muhammad's - moral code is immoral. (Compare it to "Do to others like you want others do to you". The many and sometimes big differences from this "constitution law" for moral codes also are proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad did not belong to the same religion, because those are Jesus' words and basic moral code - see f.x. Luke 6/31).

093 29/56b: "Truly - - -". Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim. See 2/2b above.

094 29/56c: "- - - My (Allah's*) Earth - - -". One of the Quran's many never proved claims.

095 29/56d: "- - - serve ye (people*) Me (Allah*) - (and Me alone)!" Rather risky as long as the entire religion rests just on a book full of errors, contradictions, a few(?) lies, etc. from a man even central Islamic literature admits used lies, cheating, broken oaths, etc. If no god exists, it does not matter. But if there some place exists a real god, but Allah is a made up one, it is a pity. Not to mention if the other and real god is a good and benevolent one not liking injustice and terror, whereas also Allah exists, but belongs to the dark forces. It will in case not be a good experience for many.

096 29/57a: "- - - in the end to Us (Allah*) shall we be brought back". If Allah exists. If he is behind the Quran. And if the Quran tells the truth on this point. The sorry fact here, is that no god ever was involved in a book full of mistakes, etc.

097 29/58c: "- - - righteousness - - -". Beware that when words like this are used in the Quran, it is with references to the partly immoral moral code in the Quran.

#098 29/58d: “- - - to them (Muslims*) shall We (Allah*) give a Home in Heaven, lofty Mansions beneath which flow rivers, to dwell therein for aye - - -”. Like life of the super rich on Earth plus plenty of water and women. Pretty different from Yahweh's Paradise: "- - - they will be like angels in heaven"(f.x. Matt. 22/30). The same god?! Answer not necessary. Jesus and Muhammad in the same religion or line of prophets - or even in related lines? Still no answer necessary.

####Also note that this description of Paradise is not from the Bible. Actually central parts of the Quran’s Paradise are similar to the one of the Zoroastrians. And remember: The big differences between Yahweh's and Allah's Paradises are one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, their Paradise had been one and the same.

099 29/58e: "- - - beneath which flow rivers - - -". And two of these rivers are the Nile and the Euphrates, as they start in Paradise according to Hadiths.

100 29/58f: "- - - to dwell therein (Paradise*) for aye - - -". See 11/108c above.

101 29/58i: "- - - do (good) - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

102 29/59a: "- - - persevere - - -". A word non-Muslims should never forget.

103 29/59b: "- - - put their trust in their Lord and Cherisher (Allah*)". Risky as long as nothing really is known about him - lots of claims, etc., but no real knowledge. Not even if he really exists is proved.

104 29/60a: "It is Allah who feeds (both) them (all living beings*) and you - - -". See 11/7a above.

105 29/60b: "- - - He (Allah*) hears and knows (all things)". See 2/233h above.

106 29/61c: "- - - subjected the sun and the moon (to His (Allah's*) Law) - - -". One more of Muhammad's many never proved claims, See 11/7a above.

107 29/61e: "How are they (non-Muslims*) then deluded away (from the truth)?" Who is most likely deluded: The one who believe in a book full of mistakes, clearly not from a god, and dictated by a man believing in using lies (al-Taqiyya), half-truths (Kitman), broken oaths according to the Quran, deceit ("war is deceit" - and "everything" jihad and "ghazwas" - "holy" battles), and liking power and women. Or the one not believing? Or the one believing in something else, which just might be a real god?

108 29/62a: The reason why some has a meager life but others a rich one, is that Allah in his wisdom decides it like this. Allah decides and predestines.

109 29/62b: "- - - for Allah has full knowledge of all things". See 2/233h above.

110 29/63a: “And if indeed thou ask them (non-Muslims*) who it is that sends down rain from the sky - - - they will certainly reply,’ Allah’”. Wrong. If they at all had mentioned a god, they had mentioned their own god – or the one of them who has to do with rain. Also see f.x. 11/7a and 29/61a+d above.

111 29/63c: "Praise be to Allah!" See 1/1a above - does he deserve it?

112 29/63d: "But most of them (people*) understand not". Perhaps that was exactly what at least some of them did - understood too much.

113 29/64c: "- - - that (Paradise*) is life indeed - - -". Often claimed, never reliably documented.

114 29/64d: "- - - if they (non-Muslims*) but knew". See 29/63d above.

115 29/66b: "But soon they (non-Muslims*) will know". One more of the many not proved claims - here really a threat - from Muhammad. Especially ironic if what really happened, was that that they knew - knew that things were wrong with his teachings.

116 29/67b: "- - - a sanctuary secure - - -". The area around the Kabah (Mecca) where fighting and killing is prohibited. Muhammad broke this rule - but like so often got ok from Allah afterwards.

And a claimed sanctuary never motioned in the Bible.

117 29/67c: "- - - men are being snatched away (killed, etc.*) from all around them (people*) - - -". To be flippant - but not only flippant: Is this a reference to the Muslims' killings, raids and wars?

118 29/67e: "- - - believe in that which is vain - - -". Believe in other gods than Allah. But Muhammad accepted that the old Jewish god Yahweh was real - is belief in him in vain? And the Quran is not from any god - is then belief in Allah in vain or not?

119 29/67f: "- - - the Grace of Allah - - -",. See 1/1a above.

120 29/68a: "And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah?" If Muhammad or someone has made up the Quran, that means they have invented Allah as a single god of the world. But has/have he/they in case sinned against Allah if he does not exist? Advanced philosophy? And what if it is the dark forces who made the Quran (parts of f.x. the moral code may indicate that this rumor may be the right one?

121 29/68b: “- - - rejects the Truth (the Quran*) - - -”. Wrong. With such a number of mistakes, it maximum is partly the truth. That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact - even proved partly wrong.

122 29/69a: “And those who strive in Our (Cause) – We (Allah*) will certainly guide them to Our Paths - - -“. With so much wrong in the Quran, it is likely that this is wrong, too. At least it is far from a certainty. Also see 29/6 above.

123 29/69c: "- - - We (Allah*) will certainly guide - - -". Anyone using the Quran as a guidebook, is not a reliable guide - too much is wrong, and for religious guidance: A book with so many errors is not from a god.

124 29/69d: "- - - certainly - - -". See 2/2b above.

125 29/69f: "- - - verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See 2/2b above.

126 29/69i: "- - - do right - - -". Beware that when words like this are used in the Quran, it is with references to the partly immoral moral code in the Quran. Compare with "do unto others like you want others do unto you", and judge for yourself.

5036 + 126 = 5162 remarks.


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