1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 24

 

SURAH 24: AN-NUR (The Light)

(Medina, 627-628 AD)

 

001  "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds and rules. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds and rules are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 24/1a: “A surah which We (Allah*) have sent down - - -.” Also this surah contains lots of mistakes, etc., and is consequently not sent down by an omniscient god.

#####003 24/1c: “(This is*) A surah which We (Allah*) have sent down and which We have ordained: in it have We sent down clear Signs; in order that ye may receive admonition.”

"The Massage of the Quran", comment to 24/1 (A24/1): I.e., “the injunctions whereof We (Allah*) have made self-evident by virtue of their wording”: thus Abd Allah ibn ‘Abbas explains the expression 'faradnaha' in this context. - - - The same explanation, also on the authority of ibn ‘Abbas, is advanced by Tabari. It would seem that the special stress on Allah’s having laid down this surah “in plain terms” (the norm, but here stressed extra*) is connected with the gravity of the injunctions spelt out in this sequence: in other words, it implies a solemn warning against any attempt at widening or re-defining those injunctions by means of deductions, interferences or any other considerations unconnected with the plain wording of the Quran". Any comment necessary?

###Also remember that the wording of the Quran was polished by the best brains of Islam for some 250 years (until ca. 900 AD) before it got its present wording, and that there existed more than 20 accepted versions - 14 of them canonized - of the book before the two present versions became dominant.

#############“- - - the injunctions whereof We (Allah*) have made self-evident by virtue of their wording”. What about telling this sentence to Socrates or Pascal or a plain teacher of logic? - they had not been finished laughing - or weeping - until after next Christmas. Add the fact that the wording in the Quran took some 250 years (from ca. 650 AD to ca. 900 AD) to polish, and they hardly had survived the laughing. And this is the kind of arguments and "proofs" Islam relies on!

004 24/1e: "- - - in order that ye (Muslims/people*) may receive admonition". Admonition? - from a book with so much wrong and not from a deity?

005 24/2a: “The woman and the man guilty of adultery of fornication – flog each of them with a hundred stripes”. A contradiction and abrogation of 4/15:

4/15: “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness (adultery*) - - - confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way”. (The last part of the sentence must be understood as a “way” metered out especially for each woman who gets such an “ordain”.) But contradiction - and abrogation - 1-2 years later – in 627 or 628 AD.

It also must be added that in Islam there is a persistent rumor that about 100 verses disappeared and never made it into the Quran when Caliph Uthman had the official Quran made, and that one of the verses was one which demanded stoning for this crime. The fact is that stoning for this is prescribed in Hadith, and that Hadith (Al-Bukhari) tells that at least once Muhammad himself took part in such a stoning.

#####A really serious, immoral and unjust point here is that also a raped woman shall be treated this way, if she cannot produce 4 male witnesses who has seen the actual rape.

As mentioned some Hadiths prescribe stoning for these sins, and this prescription is followed some places in the Muslim area. On the other hand to rape captive women and girls is "lawful and good" if it can be done in the name of Allah (if the conflict is named "jihad", which most conflicts are if one part is non-Muslim - and sometimes even if both parts are Muslims). Slaves were and are always ok to rape for the owner (officially there are no slaves any more - but according to UN in reality there are some millions - but what will happen if Islam gets world dominance? (ca. 2012 UN reported that in the world there were some 24 million slaves or persons living under slave-like circumstances - a notable part of them in Muslim areas) - Muhammad kept and traded ad took slaves, and what Muhammad did was and is good and lawful and morally ok, and can be done by any Muslim as long as it is not clearly forbidden. Slave abolition is a "new idea" conflicting with the Quran and forced on the Muslims from the "unbelievers". Such ideas are not acceptable to conservative Muslims. So if Islam ever gains world dominance, you can rest in ease; slavery will reemerge at least some places under Islam, and as slavery is part of the Quran, the immorality of it will be forgotten, and suppressed by Muhammad's moral code which tells that slavery is ok. (Some Muslims will tell you that slave abolition is part of Islam. That just is not true, and such claims just are self justification to satisfy the new moral code forced on them (but after all honestly accepted by many Muslims) from the outside.)

The laws in Islam on a number of points are very different between men and women.

Note that here the punishment was whipping, not killing (by stoning).

006 24/2c: “The woman and the man guilty of adultery of fornication – flog each of them with a hundred stripes: let not compassion move you/Muslims*) in their case, in a Matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment”. Compare this to Jesus: "The one who is without sin, may throw the first stone". The same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same religion or line of prophets? No.

Another point: To rape captive girls or women in the name of Allah, or to make them slaves in his name and then force them to have sex, is "lawful and good" (8/69 - one of the most disgusting and revealing sentences in the entire Quran, especially as it should be done in the name of the god (during and after "holy wars")).

007 24/2d: "- - - a matter prescribed by Allah - - -". As this Quran is not from any god - too much is wrong - also this prescription is not from a god, and consequently not from Allah if he is a god".

008 24/4a: "And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegation) flog them with eighty stripes, and reject their evidence ever after - - - ." Also this is an unjust law - the demand for proof is too strong. It is unjust to tell lies, but it also is unjust to hide truths or making it impossible to prove it. It also is unjust to punish someone for telling the truth.

009 24/4f: "- - - transgressors - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code, and its own partly unjust judicial code.

0010 24/5a: "Unless they (see 24/4b above) repent thereafter and mend (their conduct) - - -". Part of the background for the Sharia laws. Note that this only is for men - it is nowhere told that women can avoid punishment for unlawful sex by repenting.

011 24/6-9: There is nothing like this in the Bible.

012 24/11c: "- - - think it not to be an evil for you (Muslims*); on the contrary it is good for you - - -". It is pretty unclear what is the meaning here. Muslim scholars have different explanations, all rather vague.

#013 24/11e: "- - - to every man (women count less in Islam*) among them (who gossiped*) (will come the punishment) of the sin that he earned - - -". (The background here is that Aishah - likely by accident - spent some hours alone with a young man, which caused a lot of gossip.) What about Muhammad in this case? - to our knowledge he did not gossip, but he also definitely did not protect or defend her (Aishah*) until after some weeks, something which surely added to the gossip.

He simply was no better himself.

Did he wait that long to see if she stopped menstruating?"

Another point is that much of what Muhammad said about opponents, was slander, gossip, and basis for more slander and gossip even up to this date.

#############014 24/12d: "This (charge) is an obvious lie". It might have been a lie, but it was not an obvious lie, something Muhammad's own reaction very clearly prove - ##############so clearly that an intelligent person like Muhammad understood he was lying when he used the word "obvious" - and it is not the only time he lies in the Quran.

####015 24/13c: "Why did they (see 24/13f just above*) not bring the (4*) witnesses, such men, in the sight of Allah (stand forth) themselves as liars". This is one of the really black spots on Islam, and one of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god: The lack of witnesses does not only make the ones speaking suspect, but it is a proof for that they are liars - if they speak the truth or not, does not matter. If they do not have the witnesses, it is a proof for that they are lying. If this was lying for men, this was bad enough. But it is a valid proof for Allah!!: "- - - in the sight of Allah, (stand forth) themselves as liars!". #####This in spite of that if they spoke the truth, an omnipotent god would know they spoke the truth!. #####And all the same, without the witnesses they were liars to Allah!

This tells volumes about Allah, about Islam, and about Muhammad.

BUT THERE ALSO IS ANOTHER VERY ESSENTIAL POINT HERE: ACCORDING TO ALLAH THE ONES WHO CANNOT PROVE THEIR WORDS, ARE LIARS. THIS FOR ONE THING CONFIRMS THAT TO ALLAH PROOFS ARE VERY ESSENTIAL, AND FOR ANOTHER THING IT TELLS SOMETHING REALLY ESSENTIAL ABOUT MUHAMMAD, AS HE NEVER WAS ABLE TO GIVE A VALID PROOF FOR ANY OF HIS CENTRAL RELIGIOUS CLAIMS. THIS MEANS THAT IF THIS VERSE IS TRUE, MUHAMMAD WAS A LIAR.

Another point here is that Muhammad's logic was nonsense: The reason for the gossip in this case, was just that Aishah had been alone with a young man. And when 2 are alone together, there are clearly are no witnesses, not to mention 4. Muhammad's argument here is not only nonsense, but badly camouflaged fast-talk - he hardly had got away with this argument if he had been an ordinary person instead of a top and powerful leader.

016 24/16a: "And why did ye (see 24/11b above*) not, when ye heard it, say - - -". Among other reasons because it was very clear from Muhammad's reactions according to Hadiths, that he did not trust her (Aishah), and neither did he defend her. Muhammad's double morality here is not very sympathetic.

017 24/17a: "Allah doth admonish you - - -". Not possible unless he exists.

018 24/21b: "Follow not Satan's footsteps - - -". Just to mention it: As it is clear that no god was involved in the making the Quran, one of the theories is that Satan, dressed up like Gabriel, was the real creator of the Quran and thus of Islam. (But even though several aspects of the religion may strengthen this theory, we personally are skeptical; not even a devil would make so many mistakes, contradictions, etc. - he had to know he would be found out sooner or later and lose credence. There is one possible explanation, though; that the god did not permit him to make a new religion to trap more humans for Hell, unless it was done in such a way that the victims had a good chance to understand that something was wrong).

019 24/21c: "- - - shameful and wrong - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

020 24/21e: "- - - Allah doth purify whom He pleases - - -". One of the big differences between the Quran and NT: Allah purifies whom he pleases, Yahweh purifies whoever wants and tries honestly. The same god? Guess three times.

021 24/22a: "Let not (well off Muslims*) resolve by oath against helping their kinsmen - - -". Muhammad's second in command, Abu Bakr, grew angry with a relative, Mistah, and swore never to help him. Muhammad disagreed - and a verse from Allah(?) like always(?) showed that Muhammad was right. A coincidence? (But like normal for such coincidences(?) in the Quran, it arrived after things had happened, and not in time to prevent it. Why, if Allah has full precognition?

Besides: How could this episode end up in the Quran - written billions of years ago according to Islam - if not Allah's predestination is 100%? Remember here the laws of chaos.

022 24/23a: “Those who slander chaste women, indiscreet but believing, are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter - - -.” The chaste women deserved a good reputation (also because it counted for the men of her family and her husband and their reputation), but spreaders of slander often are difficult to catch, so some help/threat from the god had value. Also see 3/77b above.

Also note that this verse does not prohibit slander towards non-Muslim women - or other non-Muslims for that case. Does this tell something about the Quran?

023 24/24b: "- - - witness - - -". Why does a predestining, omniscient god need witnesses?

024 24/25b: "- - - that Day Allah will pay them back (all) their just dues - - -". Often claimed, never proved.

025 24/25c: “- - - Allah (= the Quran*) is the (very) Truth - - -“. Wrong. That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. With all the mistakes, etc. the Quran (Allah’s words) at best is partly true. Also see 13/1g above.

026 24/26b: “Women impure is for men impure, and men impure for women impure - - -.” Part of the basis under the sharia laws. Remember here that there are big differences between what makes a woman impure and what makes a man so. A man f.x. can have a large harem or rape slaves and captives - all included children - without becoming impure.

027 24/26c: "- - - a provision honorable". In this case = acceptance to Paradise - - - if the Quran tells the truth on this point.

028 24/26ca: "- - - honorable - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

029 24/28b: "- - - Allah knows well all that ye do". = Do not try to lie - Allah knows and punishes if there is a reason. But why does he need to test somebody, when he already knows everything??

030 24/29b: "- - - Allah has knowledge of what ye reveal and what ye conceal. Similar to 24/28b above. But also see 2/233h above.

031 24/30a: "Say to the believing men that they should - - - guard their modesty - - -". - - - except when they rape captive - or slave - girls and women "lawful and good"? The permission to disuse and rape captive/slave children and women is one of the most rotten and immoral laws which exists - NB exists, not only existed - on this planet. And made even more immoral and disgusting by the fact that to be lawful it must be done in the name of Allah (it only is lawful if you make her your slave or if the raping is done during/after jihad - holy war - - - but almost any conflict is jihad). One relevant(?) piece of information here: According to UN some 24 million persons today live as slaves or under slave-like conditions - a good percent of them in Muslim area.

032 24/30b: "- - - Allah is well acquainted with what they (Muslims-) do". Similar to 24/28b above. Also: #######This point combined with 24/30a just above in case tells a lot about Allah.

033 24/30c: "- - - Allah is well acquainted with what they (Muslims-) do". To repeat the obvious fact: Only possible if Allah exists and has supernatural powers - white or dark. And what - what - can he gain from testing even his followers, if he already knows everything? (If on the other hand this is a bluff from Muhammad - this surah is from 627-628 AD and he wanted warriors - things are easy to understand.)

#034 24/31a: “And say to the believing woman that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons or their sisters sons, or their womenfolk, or those whom their right hand possess, or male servants free of physical needs (= very old or castrated*), or small children who have no sense of shame or sex and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments”. THIS IS ALL WHICH IS SAID IN THE QURAN ABOUT HOW A WOMAN SHOULD DRESS, WITH ONE EXCEPTION: SHE ALSO SHALL COVER HER HAIR. Things are mentioned other places, but the same as here. (There is talk of a veil one place, but this only concerns the wives of Muhammad, and it is a veil used as a partition of a room, not a veil covering the face). Everything else about a woman’s clothes is NOT from the Quran. (But in the Hadiths veils are mentioned - ###it seems though to have been a custom taken over from upper class women in the then heathen Mecca, and on the initiative from one of Muhammad's close co-workers, not on an initiative from Allah).

035 24/31g: "Turn ye (Muslims*) all together towards Allah, that ye may attain bliss".

If he exists and is a god, you may attain bliss - even if he is not behind the Quran.

If he does not exist, you just cheat yourself - especially if there somewhere is a real god you are forbidden to look for.

If he exists, but belongs to the dark forces, you may attain a surprise.

036 24/32b: "- - - Allah will give them (poor people*) means out of His grace - - -". Persons like us who have seen the dire poverty some places, and know that it could be even worse in the old times, are a bit reluctant too easily to believe this.

037 24/32c:  "- - - He (Allah*) knoweth all things". Why did he then need records? And also see 2/233h above.

038 24/33a: “And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if you know any good in them- - -”. This mostly was a sleeping paragraph, but as far as we have heard, it did happen now and then. We do not know of any western law in the really old times saying the same, but slaves sometimes were given their freedom and at least a few times got a chance to work themselves free also in the west. (Actually it f.x. happened among the Vikings that slaves were given the chance to work themselves free.) But from shortly after 1800 the movement for freeing the slaves rapidly grew in strength in the West. That is to say; at that time slavery "de facto" had been more or less abolished in Europe for centuries (it did not conflict with the words of the Bible, but all the same with the morality of that book), though often not formally prohibited, but from early 1800th century the movement - headed by the English - aimed at abolishment in the entire world.

But how did Islam f.x. make a forcibly castrated man - often Negroes - "man" again?

The claim you today sometimes meet from Islam/Muslims that "Islam always aimed at abolishing slavery" is an al-Taqiyya - a lawful lie. Muhammad took and kept and gave away and sold and used and sexually exploited slaves, and everything Muhammad did, was and is lawful and morally correct, and may be practiced by any Muslim if not other rules directly are specified - which definitely is not the case concerning slavery in Islam. For this simple reason slavery also will reemerge if Islam ever gains world dominance - and (unofficially) still exists in some Muslim societies according to UN's statistics.

039 24/33b: “But force not your maids (female slaves*) to prostitution when they desire chastity (#######notice the choice of words – if the slave woman is willing, it seems to be ok*), in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life.” We have not found out how widespread such forced – and not forced – prostitution was and still is in some Muslim societies. But it is thought provoking that Arab is said to have 26 words for prostitute; It is a general tendency in languages that frequently used expressions have many varieties and synonyms. And what is clear is that this was a rule that was much broken - and even today is much broken (but not only among Muslims) as a huge part of the 24 million slaves UN rapports about (2009 AD), are women and children in forced prostitution or sexual slavery. In the west, though, it is strongly punished if discovered.

040 24/34a: "We (Allah*) has sent down to you (Muhammad*) verses - - -". No god ever sent down the Quran - too much is wrong in the book.

041 24/34b: “- - - verses making things clear (the Quran*) - - -”. A book with this many mistakes does not make many things clear. At least not correctly - often the opposite.

Also see the chapter "Literal language in the Quran - according to the Quran" in our coming book about "the Quran in the Quran".

######More down to the Earth: Muslims often explains away mistakes, etc. in the Quran with the claim that what is written there is not what is meant - it is a parable or an allegory or something. A book where you have to guess what is literally meant and what are parables - and what the parables in case mean - definitely is not easy. THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THE QURAN ITSELF STATES THAT ITS TEXTS ARE CLEAR AND LITERAL AND NOT TO BE MISUNDERSTOOD - THE TEXTS ARE TO BE UNDERSTOOD WORD BY WORD AND AS SAID: LITERALLY. ONE OF THE MANY VERSES TO REMEMBER WHEN MUSLIMS TRY TO EXPLAIN AWAY ERRORS AND PROBLEMS BY CLAIMING THAT THE MEANING IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE TEXTS REALLY SAYS, BY CLAIMING THAT IT IS A METAPHOR, AN ALLEGORY, A PARABLE OR SOMETHING (ONE OF ISLAM'S AND MUSLIMS' STANDARD WAYS OF FLEEING FROM MISTAKES AND DIFFICULT POINTS.

######That the Quran tells - directly or indirectly, but clearly - that the texts in the Quran is clear, explained by Allah, and to be understood literally, you find f.x. these places: 3/7b, 3/138a, 6/114ca, 11/1b, 15/1b, 17/12h, 18/1d-e, 18/2a, 19/97b, 20/113b+c, 24/34, 24/54j, 26/2a, 27/1b-d, 28/2, 36/69e, 37/117c, 39/28b, 41/3da, 43/2a, 43/3c, 43/29b, 44/2b-c, 44/13d, 44/58b, 54/17a, 54/22b, 54/32a+b, 54/40a, 65/11f, and 75/19. Worth remembering each time a Muslim or Islam tries to "explain" away errors, etc. by claiming the text means something different from what it says. ####In such cases either the Muslim/Islam lies when he/she/it claims the text means something different from what it says (the claim as said often is that it is a parable or something), or the Quran lies when it says that the book uses clear texts where nothing else is indicated.

The listed points are all collected here, under 3/7b and 44/58b.

Or perhaps Allah is so clumsy and helpless when he explains things, that he needs help from humans to explain what "he really means"? (Nonsense to say the least about such claims lying under such "explanations" if Allah is omniscient.)

WHO CAN EXPLAIN SOMETHING BETTER AND MORE CORRECTLY AND COMPLETELY THAN AN OMNISCIENT GOD?

042 24/34c: "- - - (the verses in the Quran are*) an admonition for those who fear Allah". With all the mistakes in the Quran, the reality in the claimed admonition needs no comments.

043 24/35a: "Allah is the Light of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth". A good claim - but where is the proof? - nothing is proved about Allah, not even his existence. There only are words from a man believing in the use of lies and deceit if that gave a better result, and liking power, wealth for bribes - and women.

044 24/35c: "Allah doth guide whom He will to his light". But the black point is that he also denies Paradise for whom he will - something he decides already 5 months before you are born according to Hadiths, and you have no chance to change his mind and his Plan according to the Quran - even if you try to do your very best to be a good Muslim, Allah will block the road to Paradise for you a little before you are qualified if you are destined for Hell - this according to Hadiths.

045 24/36-37 What is the real value of this glorification if Allah just have predestined it, like the Quran many places claims he does for absolutely everything?

046 24/38a: "- - - Allah may reward them (good Muslims*) according to the best of their deeds - - -". Why, if it in reality is Allah and his predestination which has made them do it? Allah predestines absolutely everything according to his Plan - a Plan no-one can change, according to the Quran.

047 24/38b: "- - - Allah may reward them (good Muslims*) according to the best of their deeds - - -". Everything also depends on if Allah exists and if he in case has supernatural power (and preferably not dark power). But how can Allah reward without making changes in his predestined Plan? - a Plan nobody and nothing can change according to several points in the Quran.

048 24/38d: "- - - Allah doth provide for those whom He will, without measure". One of the very many loose claims in the Quran - often claimed, never proved.

049 24/39b: "- - - their (non-Muslims'*) deeds are like a mirage in the sandy desert - - -". Good psychology and good propaganda - you find similar in most religions and sects, but even so it works, at least for the naive ones, for the wishful thinkers, and for the uncritical, strong believers in "taqlid".

050 24/39c: "- - - their (non-Muslims'*) deeds are like a mirage in the sandy desert - - -". May be it will be different if Yahweh looks at it instead of Allah? - their ethical and moral codes are so different, that the perhaps divine eyes may make a difference.

051 24/39d: "- - - he (a non-Muslim*) finds Allah (ever) with him (intending punishment*) - - -". This only may - may - be true if Allah exists and is something supernatural - white or dark.

052 24/40b: This verse indicates that non-Muslims live in religious darkness. But what is best - no belief or a strong belief in a made up religion? Besides may be some of the non-Muslims' god is real - there is a chance, something there is not if the Quran is made up or if it is sent (because if it is sent, it is not from any god - too brutally much is wrong for any god to be involved).

053 24/40c: "For any to whom Allah giveth not light, there is no light". During 1400 years there has not been one single clear-cut case of Allah giving any kind of light - included in figurative meaning - to anyone or anything. Again Islam is the best proof for this: If there had been such a case it had documented Allah, and not one single human being on the whole globe had had a chance to not hearing it.

054 24/41a: “- - - it is Allah Whose praise all beings in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth do celebrate - - -“. This has not been documented or clearly shown anywhere or any time. Similar claim in 16/50a+b. Also see 24/40c just above. The only thing we see, is a strong, but loose claim any believer in any religion can use free of charge on behalf of his god(s) as long as he can evade the requests for proof. Wrong unless Islam proves it is right - but proves, not claims.

055 24/41c: "And Allah knows well all that they (the animals*) do". The impolite fact: Only if he exists and has supernatural power.

056 24/42a: "- - - to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth - - -". Often claimed, never proved. Words are cheap and of little value as long as one flees from proving them.

057 24/42d: "- - - to Allah is the final goal (of all)". If he exists, is a god, and correctly described among all the errors in the Quran - and if the Bible is not right that it is to Yahweh, and not to Allah.

058 24/43: Here Muhammad takes 4 natural phenomena - clouds, rain, hail, lightning - and claims them for his god, like always without any proof or documentation - - - just like any believer in any religion does for his god(s) as long as he does not have to prove anything. Words are that cheap - also for Muhammad. Also see 11/7a above.

059 24/44c: "- - - verily in these things (natural phenomena*) is an instructive example for those who have vision". The only instructive proofs we with plenty of vision gets from arguments and "proofs" like this, is that Muhammad could prove nothing - if he had had any real proof or proofs, there had been no reason to use fast-talk and loose claims any believer in any religion can use free of charge.

060 24/45b: “Allah has created every animal (also man is an animal*) from (not in, but from*) water - - -.” To say it with small letters and no laughing: No comments. But this is contradicted by 6/2, 7/12, 17/61, 32/7, 38/71, and 38/76 that tell man/Adam was made from clay, 15/26, 15/26, and 15/33 that tell man/Adam was made from sounding clay, 55/14 that tells man/Adam was made from ringing clay, 37/11 that tells man/Adam was made from sticky clay, 23/12, that tells man/Adam was made from essence of clay, 15/26, 15/28, and 15/33 that tell man/Adam was made from mud, 3/59, 22/5, 35/11, 40/67, that tell man/Adam was made from dust, 20/55 that tells man/Adam was made from earth, 96/2 that tells man/Adam was made from a clot of congealed blood, 16/4, 75/37, 76/2, 80/19, that tell man/Adam was made from semen (without explaining from where the semen came), 70/39 that tells man/Adam was made from “base material”. (Also see verse 6/2 in the chapters about the 1000+ mistakes in the Quran.) (Strictly reckoned this contradicts 28 other verses. And here minimum 28 contradictions.) Simply and obviously wrong.

Some Muslims try to say that science has proved this verse (+ two others - 21/30 and 24/54) as science has shown that life started in water. But there is an enormous difference between “from” water and “in” water. No place in the Quran there is even a whisper about that life was created in water, only from. We also mention that in the Quran nothing is said about how the plants were created, even though the plants are the basis for all life on Earth. Perhaps from water like the animals? Wrong simply.

061 24/45c: "Allah created what He wills - - -". See 21/56c above.

062 24/45e: "- - - Allah hat power over all things". Often claimed, never once in all history and prehistory clearly proved.

063 24/46a: “We (Allah*) have indeed sent down signs that makes things manifest - - -“. What is claimed sent down, is the Quran. But a book with that many mistakes, etc., makes nothing manifest – except perhaps skepticism to the religion and to Muhammad.

064 24/46e: "- - - Allah guides whom He wills to a Way that is straight". But the black point is that he also denies Paradise for whom he will - something he decides already 5 months before you are born according to Hadiths, and you have no chance to change his mind according to the Quran - even if you try to do your very best to be a good Muslim, Allah will block the road to Paradise for you a little before you are qualified if you are destined for Hell - all this according to Hadiths. (Islam may try to disprove this if they are able to.)

This also differ greatly from the Bible: Allah guides whom he wants - Yahweh guides absolutely everybody who wants strongly enough to qualify (free will for man is real in the Bible, and everybody can choose) according to the Bible.

065 24/47c: "We believe in Allah and in the Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". A strengthened version of Muhammad's standard, but never proved mantra for gluing himself to his platform of power - his religion.

066 24/47e: "- - - obey - - -". One of the main duties for the Muslims was to obey - Allah and Muhammad (on Earth = Muhammad and his successors). The demand for obedience is unabridged today. Muhammad said "obey me", Jesus said "follow me". Quite a difference.

067 24/47f: "- - - some of them (Muslims*) turn away (leave Islam*) - - -". You meet Muslims claiming that Islam is so perfect a religion, that no-one leaves it. It is not true today, and here you see it was not true at the time of Muhammad, too. #############According to relevant science 3 out of 4 who become Muslims as adults, leave Islam within 3 years. (There must be a reason for why they leave after learning the religion better to know).

068 24/48a: "When they (Muslims*) are summoned to come to Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". In reality always to Muhammad. But by connecting the two names, the summon became much stronger.

####Note how closely Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more for him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.

069 24/48b: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". One of Muhammad's main mantras to connect himself to the god. Actually this is the main such mantra, and you meet it many places in the Quran and in other parts of Islam.

070 24/49b: "- - - if the right is on their side, they (Arabs*) come to him (Muhammad*) with all submission - - -". See 24/15b above.

071 24/50e: "Nay, it is they (non-Muslims*) themselves who do wrong." Wrong - at least for a number of them, who saw there were too many mistakes, contradictions, etc., and understood something was wrong with the Quran.

072 24/51a: "The answer of the Believers, when summoned to Allah and His Messenger (= always to Muhammad in praxis*) - - - is no other than this: they say, 'We hear and we obey'". Muhammad demanded absolute power over his followers. (Strongly contradicting his claims saying he demanded nothing from them.)

This verse tells very much about Islam, and especially so as the Quran itself by means of all its mistakes, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. proves it is not from a god. Is the Quran just a powerful tool for a ruthless dictator? - or perhaps for dark forces? Also see 24/51b just below.

###073 24/51b: "The answer of the Believers, when summoned to Allah and His Messenger (= always to Muhammad in reality*) - - - is no other than this: they say, 'We hear and we obey'" - "der Fürer denkt für uns". This represents a mentality that does not only chill your spine, but makes it freeze. It took Europe and the West 300 years, long and hard mental and cultural strife, and several wars, included 2 world wars to get rid of this mentality. We do not need to have it introduced once more. And especially not on behalf of the leaders of a religion where central parts are seriously wrong. Also see 24/51a just above.

###074 24/51h: "We (Muslims*) hear and we obey". "Der Fürer denkt für uns" - not for nothing Islam has been compared to Nazism and Fascism by top intellectuals (f.x. Carl Gustav Young).

075 24/51i: "It is such as these (who say "We hear and we obey"*) that will attain felicity". No comments.

#####076 24/52a: "It is such who obey Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - - that will win (in the end)". See 24/51a and 24/51b above. ###########The serious point is that there is a reasonable chance that they will succeed - because of ruthlessness, dishonesty, terror, strong discipline, perseverance, etc.

077 24/52b: "It is such who obey Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - - that will win (in the end)". Win what? The world? Paradise? Everything? There is a possibility for everything, except Paradise, as it is a war religion - but Paradise is excepted because no god is behind the Quran and all its mistakes, and thus not behind Islam.

####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". You find this many, many places in the Quran.

#######Also note how different this is from Jesus' "Follow me". One of the many proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad were not in the same religion or line of prophets.

078 24/54a: "Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad - in real life always Muhammad*) - - -". See 24/48b and also see 24/51a and 24/51b above. A strengthened version of Muhammad’s standard mantra for gluing himself to his god and thus to his platform of power.

079 24/54e: “- - - if ye (people*) turn away (from Muhammad*), he is only responsible for the duty placed on him, and ye for that place on you.” Contradicted and abrogated at least by 9/5 in reality: This verse is contradicted and often “killed” by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 5/73, 8/12, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 29 contradictions).

080 24/54f: "If ye (Muslims*) obey him (Muhammad*), ye shall be on the right guidance." If Muhammad with his partly immoral ethical and moral codes (compare to "do unto others like you want others do unto you") represents right guidance, we will prefer never to meet anyone who represents wrong guidance.

081 24/54j: "- - - preach the clear (message)". It is not possible to preach a clear message from a book with so many mistakes, so much unclear language, so many contradictions, etc. See f.x. the impossible contradiction between Allah's claimed total predestination (necessary for getting many warriors for Muhammad) and the claim that man all the same has free will (necessary for Allah's moral right to punish bad ones who f.x. did not want to go to war for Muhammad).

But it is very clear that the Quran means its message is clear and easy = to be understood literally. Only when the message has an obvious and easy to understand meaning, it is clear.

082 24/55a: "Allah has promised - - -". Of no consequence unless he exists and in addition is a god. 

###083 24/55b: "Allah has promised - - - that He will, of a surety, grant them (the Muslims*) in the land, inheritance (of power) - - -". This is a serious reminder to all non-Muslims - not the message itself, because if Allah and/or the Quran are made up and fiction, the message itself is void of any value. But the belief of the Muslims - this is what the believers among them believe they are promised; the power in the land, all land. Not only the power, but the power as an inheritance - forever. This is what they believe they are promised, and therefore this is what they are looking forward to and work for - some of them "in every strategy (of war)" (9/5).

084 24/55e: "- - - of a surety - - -". See 2/2b above.

###085 24/55f: "- - - He (Allah*) will establish in authority their religion (Islam*) - - -". See 24/55b above. A likely scenario for most places will be something like a Saudi Arabia without the oil - in a stagnant future with no more impulses and no new products from the "West", as the "West" will exist no more. In the some 900 years (ca. 1000 AD to ca. 1900-1950 AD) when the Muslim area got few or no impulses from the outside, no progress took place in the area, except what material progress followed from riches looted or conquered from neighboring lands and non-Muslims, included enslavement and taxation. #####This future already has started some places - f.x. by killing medical workers working to eradicate polio, as such work is anti-Islamic. (3 such workers killed in North Pakistan 2 days ago, and 1 some days earlier (from when this was written). A sample of our future under a stagnant Islam.)

086 24/55g: "- - - the one (religion*) He (Allah*) has chosen for them (Muslims*) - - -". As no god has been involved in the making of the Quran - so much is wrong in that book that it is heresy and slander even to accuse a god of haven taken part in a work of such a quality, not to mention claiming that he reveres it as or like a "mother book" (13/39, 43/4, 85/21-22) in his own "home"/Heaven - also no god has chosen the Quran as a basis for their religion. And as no god has chosen the Quran, this also includes Allah - if he exists.

087 24/55i: "- - - security - - -". See 2/2b above. Also take a look at Muslim political and judicial history and see how much security you find - especially for non-Muslims, but also for Muslims, not to mention for different sects of Muslims (some of them have been rooted out in blood). You will find periods and places where the situation has been relatively - relatively - ok. But you may bet you will find the opposite, too.

###088 24/55j: "- - - peace - - -". How much reliable peace do you find in a religion of war? Read the surahs from Medina and see how much al-Taqiyya (lawful lie) and Kitman (lawful half-truth), etc. and "War is deceit" there is in slogans like "The religion of Peace" or "There is no compulsion in religion" (the last one even normally wrongly quoted like here - the correct is "Let there be no compulsion in religion" - a wish, not a fact.). Also see 2/2b above.

089 24/55k: "If any do reject Faith (Islam*) after this, they are rebellious and wicked". Are they wicked if they refuse to live by the immoral parts of Islam? - and are they good if they do live by those immoral parts? (F.x. steal, rape, enslave, suppress, kill, lie, break words and promises included your oath, etc.?) And are they wicked if they reject a claimed religion in which they see there are so many things wrong, that they understand the teaching is not from a god?

090 24/55m: "- - - wicked - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is relative to the book's own partly immoral moral code - included its partly inhuman and very immoral war code. An empathy code does not exist in the Quran.

091 24/56c: "- - - obey the Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad demanded absolute obedience from his followers - in spite of his repeated claims that he demanded nothing from them for his preaching. A quite Fascistic, not to say Nazi-like point of view (also the same on the far left side politically, but Islam normally are compared to the far right ideologically).<`p>

092 24/57a: "Never think thou that the Unbelievers are going to frustrate (Allah's Plan) on earth - - -". The Quran makes it very clear many places the Allah predestines absolutely everything, that the predestinations are according to his Plan, and that nobody or nothing can change his Plan (by the way: Why then spill time and energy on praying to him for help or a better future, if everything is predestined already and nothing can change his Plan?).

It also is very clear that the goal is total world dominance.

093 24/57b: "- - - (Allah's Plan) - - -". According to many places in the Quran, Allah predestines absolutely everything in this world - it was the only world Muhammad knew about (except that he claimed there were 6 more - according to Hadiths they lay underneath the pancake Earth). This predestination is absolute, and nobody and nothing can change anything. Everything also is predestined long time before - the time of your death and whether you are going to end in Hell or Heaven (!) are f.x. predestined when a fetus is 4 months old - 5 months before it is born. And everything is predestined in accordance with Allah's Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. (What about free will for man or effect of prayers or forgiving?)

094 24/58e: "- - - morning prayers - - -". This demand for regular prayers - 5 times a day - was so essential for Allah (he even wanted more often according to Hadiths) that it became one of the 5 "pillars" of Islam. For Yahweh such formalism was so totally without any interest, that no similar rule - not even the idea - at all is mentioned in the entire Bible: Pray when there is a reason or a need or a wish. One of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Also see 23/9b above.

095 24/60c: "- - - Allah is One Who sees and knows all things". - so do not try to cheat. Also see 2/233h above.

096 24/61: “Thus does Allah make clear the Signs to you - - -“. There is not one logically valid clear sign (= "Quran-speak" for proof) of Allah or of Muhammad’s connection to a god anywhere in the Quran - or outside it. They without exception are just claims or based on nothing or on other not proven claims. A possible exception is some of the ones taken from the Bible, but they in case proves Yahweh, not Allah.

There also is no explanations for claimed signs (Quran-speak for proofs for Allah*) in this verse.

097 24/62a: "Only those are Believers, who believe in Allah and his Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". It is not enough to believe in Allah - the claimed god. One also must believe in one specific of his many, many claimed messengers - Muhammad. Here is something strange - if Muhammad is not divine, the religion should be complete without one of its very many claimed prophets. What is wrong here? - or is Allah incomplete without Muhammad, one of his 124ooo claimed prophets? And cannot belief in one or more of the other 124ooo claimed prophets/messengers prove that a person is a Muslim? Has it to be belief in that Muhammad is Allah's prophet? If that is the case no Muslim could exist before Muhammad.

098 24/62b: "- - - Allah and his Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See f.x. 24/48b above.

####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more for him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.

099 24/62e: "- - - they (Muslims helping Muhammad*) do not depart until they have asked for his (Muhammad's*) leave - - -". Muhammad was to have the absolute control.

100 24/63a: "“Deem not the summons of the Messenger (Muhammad*) among yourself like the summons of one of you to another - - -". Muhammad not only wanted power and obedience, but also respect. Raised social standing also is payment.

101 24/63c: "- - - Allah and his Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See f.x. 24/48b above.

####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more for him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.

102 24/63f: "- - - Allah doth know those of you who slip away (from Muhammad's orders*) under shelter of some excuse - - -". Do not try to cheat Muhammad - the god sees you if you do not really and in servility obey him.

103 24/63g: "- - - let those beware who withstand the Messenger's order (that Allah will punish them strictly*) - - -". Total dictatorship and despotism. Also see 3/77b above. Muhammad's repeated claims that he demanded no payment from his followers for his preaching is a little ironic - or worse.

Besides: How could/can Allah punish? Any punishment will mean that the man and his deed which Allah punishes, changed his Plan - and according to several points in the Quran, nobody and nothing can change that Plan. If this is true, Allah can neither punish nor reward - both means changes in his Plan. And the same for prayers for any kind of betterment or for forgiving (which is a kind of betterment).

104 24/64a: “Be quite sure - - -”. It is impossible to be sure of that on basis of a book like the Quran with that many mistakes, twisted facts, contradictions, and that much invalid logic, etc. + some plain dishonesty - - - and a lot of "taqlid" (uncritical acceptance of the parent's and surrounding's religion).

105 24/64b: "- - - to Allah doth belong whatever is in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth". An often repeated, but never documented claim any priest in any religion can make free of charge as long as he can evade all requests for proofs - words and claims are that cheap.

106 24/64e: "Well doth He (Allah) know what ye are intent upon - - -". Not a big surprise if he predestines everything. (Well, in reality this is one of the very many places Muhammad "forgets" that Allah predestines, and instead claims that man has free will - a combination even theoretically impossible - and the intended meaning here is: Do not try to cheat Muhammad, because Allah sees it. Nice for Muhammad.)

But id he knows, why - why - does he have to test even his followers??? He can learn nothing from it!

107 24/64f: "- - - one day (the Day of Doom*) they (people*) will be brought back to Him (Allah*) - - -". This may - may - be true, but only if Allah exists, is a major god and is correctly described in the Quran.

108 24/64g: "- - - one day (the Day of Doom*) they (people*) will be brought back to Him (Allah*) - - -". Often claimed, never proved - and contradicted by the Bible and a number of other religions. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

109 24/64h: "- - - Allah doth know all things". = do not try to cheat. But another point: Why does a god who knows all things, have to test his followers? - Muhammad's main explanation for why Muslims have to go to war and for why they experience setbacks. Also see 2/233h above.

4406 + 109 = 4515 remarks. 

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Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".


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