1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 21
18 May 2014
SURAH 21 : AL-ANBIYA (The Prophets)
(Mecca 621 AD?)
001 "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.
002 21/1c: "- - - yet they (non-Muslims at the time of Muhammad*) heed not (the Quran/Islam*) and they turn away." At least some of them because already that early they saw that something really was wrong.
003 21/2a: "- - - a renewed Message - - -". The differences between the Bible (and especially NT with its New Covenant) are so deep and fundamental, that the Quran is no renewal of the Bible. This is even more sure as it is clear that the Muslim standard "explanation" - falsification of the Bible - is wrong (science has long since proved there may be mistakes in the Bible, but no falsifications, and Islam has proved it even better as they have searched more thoroughly; If there anywhere had existed any clear indication, not to mention a proof for the smallest falsification, they had screamed about it. But there has never in 1400 years been one single such scream - many claims, but never a real scream for a proved case). But also see 21/2b just below.
The many and deep differences (actually only one single, short sentence - 6 words in psalm 37/29 ("- - - the righteous will inherit the land - - -" a kind of words which easily may be identical by coincidence) - is the same in the two books) between the Bible and the Quran are one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. This even more clear as both science and Islam strongly as said have proved the Bible is not falsified, which makes Muslims’ claimed explanations for the differences invalid.
004 21/2b: "- - - a renewed Message - - -". This sentence also can be understood in 2 more ways than mentioned in 21/2a just above: 1): New verses or surahs coming down(?) to Muhammad, or 2): New ages need new messages - and the messages Muhammad gets, thus revise the ones sent(?) before - f.x. the Bible. In the last case there are problems:
The Quran and all the other books sent down from Allah are exact copies of a holy "the Mother of the Book" in Heaven, so perfect that it is revered by Allah and his angels. This claimed "Mother Book" was made by Allah before the world was created or has existed since eternity. We have never found explanations for how exact copies of one and the same eternal book can be different.
There have been more changes in the world the last 200 years, not to mention from Muhammad till today, than in all ages from Homo Erectus till Muhammad. Why are not new books for our time and age sent? - the world really could need it.
005 21/2c: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) listened to it (the Quran*) as in jest - - -". There may have been good reason for this for people knowing the Jewish scriptures and the Bible and thus saw the difference between what Muhammad told the old books said and what they really said - errors may be fun - especially as they most likely knew the same old legends, fairy tales, etc. as Muhammad did, and understood from where he got his tales.
##006 21/4a: "My (Muhammad's# Lord (Allah*) knoweth (every) word (spoken) in the heavens and on earth - - -". One of the very many never proved statements in the Quran. But why then does he have to test everybody? - and what can he learn from the "tests" if he already knows everything?
007 21/4b: (A21/5): Variation in explanations: The Swedish 2006 edition “The Message of the Quran” here tells that the Arab word is spelled “qul” (imperative of "say") in the “way of reading” - variety of the Quranic texts - after Warsh, used in much of North Africa. Whereas in the variety after Hafs, used in the rest of the Muslim area, it is spelled “qala” (“he (Allah) said” (though A. Yusuf Ali uses "say")). In the original old manuscripts it was written just q-l , so both interpretations are possible. 2 varieties because of unclear language in the original Arab text - like so often. But the main thing here is not this minor variety. ####The main thing is that “The Message of the Quran” #####here confirms that there are varieties of the book - something any Muslim scholar know, but all the same the lay people are told there never is or was more than one variety. Only 2 today remain in daily use – the 2 mentioned – + 4 which are a little used, 6 varieties all together even today, but once there were 14 canonized plus some accepted varieties, = at least 28 varieties all together (and before that many more). Well, there is one more – and ominous – as interesting fact: This little known, but most, essential, fact has “disappeared” from the 2008 edition. The fiction that there only is and always was only one Quran, is more essential than honesty in Islam it seems. But if a religion is true, it should not be necessary to lie about it - remember the IT-slogan RIRO: Rubbish In = Rubbish Out.
As impressive: In the English 2008 edition one has omitted the references to Warsh and Hafs, and thus that there even today are 2 (+ 4) varieties of the Quran. All the cases where we have found that the English 2008 edition is changed compared to the Swedish 2006 one, the changes has been in "correct" direction. You may yourself guess why they here have omitted the fact that there even nowadays are 2 (really 6) varieties of the Quran (and the many older varieties are never mentioned by the Muslim scholars - and many Muslims honestly do not know it, or are not aware of that "ways of reading" just is another expression for "variety", and thus claims that their variety/"way of reading" of the Quran, is the exact copy of Muhammad's words. Orthodoxy too often is more essential to Muslim scholars than honesty. (cfr. f.x. al-Taqiyya - the lawful lie, and Kitman - the lawful half-truth).
We may add that some or all of at least the 14 canonized versions of the Quran are to be found in places for higher studies of the Quran, and thus the scholars know about them. But all the same the claim is: "There only is one Quran". Is there a reason for why Muslims seldom claim that "Islam is the Religion of Honesty"?
008 21/4d: "He (Allah*) is the one who heareth and knoweth (all things)". Why then does a predestining, omniscient god have to test his followers? There is no logic in it - not unless the real story was that Muhammad wanted warriors and needed a way to explain his demands (plus explaining away hardship in life).
Plus: "Be good and obedient! - remember that I see you!"
009 21/5b: "- - - (these (Muhammad's teachings*) are) medleys of dreams!" This may be the real truth if Muhammad's claimed visions in reality were results of f.x. TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) like modern medical science strongly suspects. TLE can give religious hallucinations like this - and then he perhaps added some when he was in thigh spots. (It is clear that at least a few places he had to know he was lying.)
010 21/5c: "- - - he (Muhammad*) forged it (the Quran*)!" Also this is a real possibility - perhaps the most likely one. The many cases where Allah(?) supported his personal needs and his hunting for power and for that chase for women (f.x. Zaid's wife) may point to this - there are so many "prophets" through the times who have used similar methods like Muhammad, though the military power of the united Arab tribes gave him/his successors more success than the others - with a partly (but only partly) exception for Indonesia, Islam’s expansion was built on war and then suppression (or worse) afterwards of the ones who refused to become Muslims.
011 21/5d: "Nay, he (Muhammad*) is (but) a poet!" Muhammad was no poet in the traditional meaning of the word (a fact Muslims try to claim proves he cannot have made up the Quran - but there is no poetry in that book, and also you do not have to be a poet to make up or "borrow" stories). This in reality is a variety of 21/5c just above.
012 21/5e: "Let him (Muhammad*) bring us (non-Muslims*) a Sign - - -". One of the many requests in the Quran for a proof for Allah and/or for Muhammad's connection to a god - requests Muhammad never was able to satisfy. Actually some of the excuses he used, he had to know were lies - and so had the intelligent part of his listeners to know. f.x. miracles had given many new believers - and Muhammad was too intelligent and knew too much about people not to know this.
013 21/7c: "- - - those who possess the Message (of the old*)". The Jews (and the few Christians around). They could have testified that most messengers from the god were men, but would have added that Muhammad all the same was wrong, as some were angels and a few were women. They also would have protested to that the old prophets, not to mention the angles, mainly got their messages by inspiration, because the word is not at all used in such connections in the Bible. Perhaps a bluff by Muhammad to prove he was a real prophet? He claimed he got his messages via inspiration, and thus it was good "documentation" to claim the old ones had got their messages the same way.
014 21/9b "In the end We (Allah*) fulfilled to them (here indicated the old Jewish prophets*) Our promise - - -". There never has been reported one single proved case of Allah keeping a promise. Never. (Actually there never is proved even that Allah gave a promise. There only are Muhammad’s words for this - a man who believed in the use of dishonesty and deception as working tools, and who liked respect, power, riches for bribes - and women.)
015 21/9c: “- - - We (Allah*) destroyed those who transgressed bounds (did not obey the teachings of his prophets*)”. Remember that according to Hadith there had been at least 124ooo prophets before Muhammad, and not a trace of monotheism from old times except the Jews and later the Christians. Allah must have “destroyed” an uncountable number of people. Poor Yahweh - he is in kindergarten and play school in this competition of killing and blood.
016 21/10a: “We (Allah*) have revealed for you (O men!) a book (the Quran*) - - -”. Once more: Has an omniscient god revealed a book with so many mistakes, contradictions, etc.? - or has Muhammad made all the mistakes when telling what Allah told him? In plain words: No god involved in any book riddled with errors, etc. (- perhaps Muhammad or some accomplice made up all of it from fantasy and knowledge which was often wrong?).
017 21/10b: “- - - - revealed for you (O men!) a book in which is a Message for you”. Well, but in case from whom? - no god sends a message with that many mistakes, etc.
018 21/10e: "- - - will ye (non-Muslims*) not then understand?". But that is just what we do: We understand that much is wrong in the Quran - this is a fact anyone with some education and intelligence has got to see, because it is impossible not to see it if one is not religiously blind. If you read the Quran overlooking all the nice propaganda words about Muhammad, and judge him from what he demanded and from what he did, and from what rules and laws he introduced - which are much more reliable than the use or disuse of cheap words, you find a person very different from the semi-saint the Quran and Islam tries to promote. And not least: We understand that all the mistakes in the Quran prove 100% that the book is not from an omniscient god, and that thus something is seriously wrong with the religion.
019 21/11a: "How many were the populations We (Allah*) utterly destroyed - - -." The good, benevolent, Most Merciful, Most Forgiving, etc. god?
020 21/11b: "- - - setting up in their (the destroyed populations'*) places other people - - -". In and around Arabia there were ruins, etc., and there were tales about older, but disappeared, tribes. All these people according to Muhammad were killed by Allah because they had sinned against him, and their places given to new tribes. So also for the Arabs at the time of Muhammad - they had inherited their living area from earlier tribes destroyed by Allah for their sins. Science knows a number of other possible reasons for the disappearance of older tribes in a harsh, warlike area.
021 21/12b: "- - - when they (non-Muslims*) felt Our (Allah's*) punishment (coming) - - -". There also (see 21/9b) never was one single proved case of Allah punishing anybody. Lots and lots of claims, but never one single proved case.
022 21/15b: "And their (non-believers*) cries ceased not, till We (Allah*) made them as a field that is moved - - -". There are a number of similar claims in the Quran, but not one proved case - neither in the Quran nor in reality nor history. Lots of claims, but only claims.
023 21/18a: “- - - nay, We (Allah) hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish!” Does the same happen if one hurls the Quran With all its mistakes, etc. at falsehood? - the Quran at best is partly true. That the Quran is the Truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact - actually proved wrong.
024 21/18d: "Woe be to you (non-Muslims*) for all the (false) things ye ascribe (to Us)." It here may be of interest that not even Muslim institutions have accused us for quoting the Quran wrongly - quotes showing far more than 1000 mistaken facts plus other mistakes in a book pretending to come from an omniscient god. And in addition there are all the other points in the Quran needing remarks.
025 21/18e: "Woe be to you for all the (false) things ye ascribe (to Us)." One question is: Does "ye" also in reality include Muhammad and his Muslims, as it is clear the Quran is not from a god? - too much is wrong in that book.
026 21/19a: "To Him (Allah*) belong all (creatures) in the heavens (plural and wrong) and on earth - - -". Often claimed, but like everything else of any consequence in the Quran, never proved. Any believer in any religion can say this about his/her god(s) as long as he/she flees from all questions for proofs - words are that cheap.
#027 21/20: “They (all creatures in the heavens and the Earth*) celebrate His (Allah’s*) praises night and day - - -“. Islam will have to prove that all animals, birds, fishes, insects, worms, etc., etc. really does this – and all non-Muslim humans – before one can believe them and the Quran on this point. Anthropomorphism - something you normally find in primitive religions and in fairy tales.
028 21/21: "- - - who can raise (the dead)." This verse implicates that no-one but Allah can resurrect the dead. The interesting thing here is that Muhammad never was able to prove this - or anything else about Allah. There only are the claims of a not very reliable man believing in the use of al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), breaking ones words - even ones oaths, and believing in the use of deceit ("War is deceit" - and everything outside Islam is "the land of war"), plus likening respect, power, riches for more power - and women. (Yahweh on the other hand proved it many times, if the old books tell the truth - only in NT there are at least six cases of resurrection of dead persons, one of them (Matt.27/52) tells about several who were resurrected. Food for thoughts?) Also see 7/158i above.
029 21/22a: “If there were, in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both!” The logic is wrong. There exist both hierarchic and parallel (one boss for each department or aspect) systems for management. One can say there could be confusion, but not that there would be. The "proof" is invalid.
030 21/22d: "But glory to Allah - - -". Please read 1/1a and added verses - is he worthy of glory?
031 21/22e: "- - - (Allah is*) the Lord of the Throne - - -". One of the hundreds of never proved claims - mostly cheap claims any believer can claim for his god(s) as long as he can evade requests for proofs.
032 21/22g: "- - - (high is He (Allah*)) above what they (non-Muslims*) attribute to Him (= other gods*)." Another claim any believer can tell on behalf of any god, as long as he can evade all questions for proof - words and claims are that cheap. For f.x. Yahweh there are lots of proofs if the old books tell the truth, for Allah exactly nothing. (Which is one main reason why Muhammad glorified and Islam glorifies blind belief so much.)
033 21/23a: "He (Allah*) cannot be questioned for His acts". This is correct if he does not exist, or alternatively if he exists and the Quran has told the full truth and only the truth on this point, in spite of not being delivered by a god.
034 21/23b: "- - - but they (other gods*) will be questioned (for theirs) (their actions*)". Irrelevant and without logic as far as made up gods concern: If they did not exist, they made no acts they can be questioned about. (The Quran indicates they will be created on the Day of Doom and asked about their believers' actions - believe it if you want (but why should an omniscient god need to do that) - but that is something else.) It also is irrelevant and without logic if Allah does not exist - if he does not exist, he cannot question anyone, like indicated here. Then remains the alternative: Allah exists and so do other gods - f.x. Yahweh. Yahweh here is extra interesting because the Quran admits this old originally Jewish god exists, though they try to kidnap him in spite of a very different teaching, to give Allah a past - a claimed eternal god who suddenly appeared 1400 years or something ago sounds little believable, so give him a past.
035 21/24a: "Or have they (non-Muslims*) taken for worship (other) gods besides Him (Allah*)". Rather similar to 21/23a plus 21/23b above. Also see 25/18a below.
036 21/24b: "Bring your (non-Muslims'*) convincing proof - - -". ####This is one of Muhammad's better ones: He is teaching a religion which to a large degree openly built on known tales from known legends, fairy tales, apocryphal (made up) scriptures, etc. and without proving one single comma or semi-colon - but he demands "convincing proof" from everyone else. Like so often in Islam: Blind belief within, but sharp demands outwards - like so often in extreme sects. "One rule for Loki and another for Thor". (Actually a fitting comparison, as also Thor was a god of war (for the Vikings) like Allah, and also the old Vikings automatically ended in Paradise if they were killed in battle).
##############But a serious effect of claims like this from Muhammad and the Quran, is that it proves that they both reckoned proofs to be essential and of central value, and all the same neither Muhammad nor his(?) Quran was able to prove any of their central religious claims - not one of them.
037 21/24c: "- - - this (the Quran*) is the Message of - - - those before (Jews, Christians*) me (Muhammad*)". Wrong. There are so many fundamental, deep and basic differences between the Quran and the Bible that the Quran in reality has nothing to do with the two other religions. Some superficial details are similar, but more or less all the basic elements are different - especially compared to NT and "the new covenant" (f.x. Luke 22/20 or 1. Cor. 11/2).
038 21/24e: “But most of them know not the Truth - - -”. Well, the “truth” as given in the Quran, at the very best is only partly true - too many mistakes. That the Quran is the Truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. Actually that claim is proved wrong.
039 21/24f: “But most of them (non-Muslims*) know not the Truth, and so turn away". It is likely a number of them turned away just because they saw the truth: That something was seriously wrong with Muhammad's new religion. But psychologically this was a much better "explanation" for Muhammad to give his surroundings.
040 21/24g: “But most of them (non-Muslims*) know not the Truth, and so turn away”.
Comment A21/31 (A21/32 in 2008 English edition): “In other words, most people’s obstinate refusal to consider a reasonable proposition on its merits is often due to no more than the simple fact that it is not familiar to them.”
What we know from our parents and culture must be right – and we do not know anything about clear mistakes (most Muslims honestly do not know about mistakes – they have too often and for too long been told that the Quran is perfect, and been told "explanations" for the mistakes (taqlid)).
And then there is the unbeatable argument for believing in spite of mistakes and anything: "Blind belief is the ideal", presented by Muhammad.
And Islam also has another unbeatable claim: "An omniscient god makes no mistakes". But if you turn this truth upside down, you get: "A book full of mistakes is not from any omniscient god". (And this is the reason why Islam and Muslims cannot afford to admit even the most obvious mistakes in the Quran - well, the Muslim scholars admit a few, but they never talk about them unless they have to, and most ordinary Muslims do not even know about them).
041 21/25a: "Not one messenger did We (Allah*) send before thee (Muhammad*) without the inspiration - - -". As the Quran (wrongly) claims also the Biblical prophets were sent by Allah, this is wrong, as the Bible clearly says they got their messages by direct contact, visions, or dreams (4. Mos. 12/6-8). Inspiration is nowhere in the Bible mentioned as a means for this. But Muhammad often claimed also the old prophets got information by inspiration, in order to legitimize his own claim that he god information that way, and thus legitimize his claim that he was a normal prophet.
042 21/25c: "- - - there is no god but I (Allah*) - - -". See 6/106b above and 25/18a below.
043 21/25d: "- - - therefore, worship and serve Me (Allah*)". In reality only because the word of the man who believed in and institutionalized (by using and permitting lies) al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), the broken word and promise, included even sworn ones, and the man who taught his followers to use deceit and betrayal ("War is betrayal"). Not to mention a man who liked respect, power and plenty of women, and who was not too choosy about what means to use. Only on this man's word all Islam rests.
044 21/26a: “And they say ‘(Allah) Most Glorious has begotten offspring’. Glory to Him! They are (but) servants raised to honor“. We do not know what is the truth about al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat - the daughters of al-Lah/Allah in the old Arab religion. But Jesus at least told many times that Yahweh was his father, according to the Bible.
045 21/29a: "If any of them (other gods*) should say, 'I am a god besides Him (Allah*) - - -". If Allah is a made up god, this is fiction. If he does exist in spite of not being involved in making the Quran, the situation becomes interesting if he says this to f.x. Yahweh, whom the Quran admits exist (but wrongly claims is the same god as Allah). Not to mention how interesting this becomes, if it is said and Allah belongs to the dark forces.
THIS IS ONE OF THE STRONG ONES:
##046 21/30a: “Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens (plural and wrong) and the earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation), before We (Allah*) clove them asunder?” Heaven is an optical illusion - a fact that is well known today, but Muhammad did not know it - and an illusion cannot be “cloven asunder” from a material thing (like Earth). We also have met Muslims saying that the theory of the Big Bang proves the Quran. But the Big Bang “clove something asunder” 13.7 billion years ago, whereas our sun (Helios or Sun*) is a 3. generation star, and it and the planets included Earth are just 4.6 billion years old (the latest numbers actually are 4.567 billion years). The differences in age, and far more the fact that our sun is 3. generation, (which means that the stuff the earth - and the sun – is made from, has been through two cycles of being fluid and mixed parts of (former) suns that became super novas (exploding stars) and were spread over large parts of cosmos where it mixed with remnants of other exploded super novas and with gas, and at last coalesce to make a new sun and planets) makes the Big Bang totally irrelevant in this connection – for all the first 9 billion years the Earth and the sun and the planets just were scattered atoms, molecules and fragments in a celestial “mixer” – not an Earth, etc. that could be identified and could “be joined together” or “cloven asunder” with the sky. At least the professors at Al-Azhar University know this, because these are very well known facts, and it is dishonesty to try to cheat people by using this “argument” in f.x. “The Message of the Quran” - a book pretending to give, as seen from the Muslim point of view, correct information on and explanations of the Quran, certified by one of the highest authorities on the Quran in the Muslim world, the above-mentioned university.
Conclusions: According to the Quran Allah created a quantity of something like smoke, ordered the smoke to “come together”, and afterwards split that mass in 2 – the Earth (actually 7 Earths) in one part, and the heaven as we see it (but actually 7 material heavens according to the Quran - and Islam) in the other part. It should be unnecessary to mention that this has no similarity to what really happened. The Big Bang spread gas – nearly only hydrogen (H), but with traces of helium (He) and perhaps traces of lithium (Li) in ionized and thus opaque form – and absolutely no smoke (= small particles floating in gas), because even micro particles did not exist yet - over vast realms. After some 300ooo – 380ooo years the gas had cooled enough to be able to combine to molecules (mainly H2) which could condense to stars. The first stars tended strongly to be supergiant because the gas in space was by far more tightly packed than today, and thus easier to mop up to make big stars. In the stars H2 was transformed to different atoms up to iron by means of atomic reactions that release the energy stars “live” from.
But in supergiant these reactions runs fast because of very high temperature and pressure. Already after some 10 million years – or more if they were smaller - they explode in super-novas. In the extreme conditions of those explosions the heavier stuff is created – and spewed out into the Universe. There it became parts of the gas clouds which over eons condensed to new stars. The average size now was smaller, for natural reasons – the gas clouds were less dense. Because of somewhat smaller average size, the average “life” was somewhat longer. But even so a large percentage also of this 2. generation stars were big enough to go supernova sooner or later (often still pretty fast) – and then a new circle started. Gas clouds – which now contained a small percentage of other matter than H2 and He – condensed once more to new stars.
And here finally our star – Helios or Sun – fits in. Our sun is a 3. generation star – and because of that there were enough heavy material to make "rock planets" like the Earth.
But heaven and Earth never was smoke. The stars and the sun never made up one mass with a recognizable Earth (another fact that made that impossible: Earth was made 9.1 billion years and trillions of stars later than the universe). Not to mention that a recognizable Earth and heaven/stars/etc never were one mass which was split apart leaving the Earth like we know it ready for life and living beings.
The Quran, Islam, and Muhammad could hardly have been more wrong even if they really had tried to. Who made the Quran?
047 21/30d: (A21/37 - in English 2008 edition A21/38): "Nevertheless, the above unmistakable reference to the Unitarian origin of the universe (2 al-Taqiyyas: There is no reference to that everything was made mainly from one single element (+ likely/possibly traces of 2 others), and the "heavens and the earth" was not meant as a metonymy by Muhammad, and not understood like that by his listeners - and in addition the Quran says the book is to be understood literally where nothing else is indicated) - metonymically described in the Quran as "the heavens and the earth" - strikingly anticipates the view of almost all modern astrophysicist this universe has originated as one entity from one single element, namely hydrogen - - -".
Wrong. Modern astrophysicists says there were 2 elements after the Big Bang: Hydrogen (H2) and traces of Helium (He) - most hydrogen, but still 2 elements (and may be traces of Lithium (Li)). And also the claimed process is ever so wrong in the Quran. We must admit we grow slightly disgusted each time we see Muslims twisting facts - and facts so well known that scholars have got to know it, or at least very easy could check if their claims are correct - and that we consequently feel some glee when they use invalid or wrong facts as "proofs" for their claims and statements, and end up with conclusions which are clearly and sometimes laughably wrong. This even more so here where the description in the Quran is very different from what science tells. This disuse and twisting of known science also tell a lot about Islam, about Muslim scholars and about honesty. ####(Are cases like this a reason why Islam and Muslims so seldom claim that "Islam is the Religion of Honesty"?)
And yet another point: The 7 heavens the Quran talks about, and to which the stars, etc. were fastened below the moon, never existed and do not exist, and thus are not "cloven" from the Earth.
Any god had known the real fact here. Who made the Quran and all its errors, contradictions, etc.?
048 21/30g: "Will they (non-Muslims*) not then believe?". Of course not when Muhammad uses some wrong facts and tries to use these errors as proofs for Allah. The only thing this behavior proves, is that something is very wrong with the Quran, with Muhammad, and with his teaching, Islam. And there is another disturbing fact: The use of false arguments and facts is a hallmark for cheats and deceivers.
049 21/31b: “And We (Allah*) have set on the earth mountains - - -”. The mountains are not “set on” the Earth - they have without exception “grown up”, no matter whether they are a result of tectonic or volcanic activity (the only 2 ways to make mountains). Any god knew this, but Muhammad not. Does this indicate who the real composer of the Quran is?
We may add that we are informed that the actual verb which is used in the original Arab text, do not really mean “set down” but “dropped down” and is the same verb that is used when one f.x. is dropping an anchor. Mountains definitely are not dropped down. Also see 31/10b and 41/9-12.
#050 21/31c: “And We (Allah*) have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with them - - -”. Experts on Islam and the Quran say this refers to that the disk which is the Earth (in the Quran the Earth is flat, but perhaps a round disk) might shake and become unstable, and because of this may slip away or tip around and drop everything - included humanity - off the Earth.
We refer to some Muslim scholars: Jalalan, (p. 437), Baydawi (p. 686), Tabari (p.589), and Zamakhshari (part 4, p. 381): They all tell that “if it was not for these unshakable (!!*) mountains, the earth would slip away.”(!!!*)
####And Jalalan, Baydawi, and Zamakhshari all say that “- - - He (Allah*) placed unshakable mountains (not more so than that they shake during earthquakes*) on Earth lest it tilts with people.” This obviously is what the Quran really meant, and this even more obviously was the meaning Muhammad told his followers, as it is what the learned Muslim scholars were sure was the truth.
But this “truth” is so ridiculous, that let us go on to the alternative explanation – the one that is in vogue in Islam now that they know the original “truth” was wrong, and had to make up a new one: That the mountains hinder earth-quakes.
That is not correct. Well, it is so far from the truth, that it is not even wrong - it is sometimes the opposite of the truth:
According to f.x. heavyweights like “New Scientist” and “Nature” mountains sometimes can CAUSE earthquakes because of their considerable weight and pressure on the underground. Yes, even variations in the amount of water (= weight) in big mountain lakes or glaciers sometimes causes minor and medium earthquakes. The same goes for heavy snow-falls in the mountains sometimes – snow in the mountains and rain lower down is a normal phenomenon = imbalance in weight. (There f.x. are more earthquakes in the north in winter than in summer).
#It is well known today that mountains are made because of tectonic activity (this always causes earthquakes - though sometimes too feeble for human so feel) or volcanic activity which often causes earthquakes. This means that mountains in reality are made by earthquakes (or actually by the same mechanisms which make most earthquakes), it does not hinder such quakes. Any god had known this, but Muhammad not - this is new knowledge to humans. Then who composed the Quran?
Also volcanism is closely connected to earth quakes. Volcanism also in many cases is connected to tectonic activity - there thus are connections between the two mechanisms for mountain building - and for earthquakes. Tectonic activity makes it easier for lava to break through to the surface - as seen f.x. in "the Ring of Fire" around the Pacific.
Any god had known the real facts. Then who made the Quran?
Also see 15/19 – 16/15 – 31/10b – 41/10
#051 21/31d: “- - - and We (Allah) have made therein (in the mountains*) broad highways (between the mountains) - - -”. We honestly did not know Allah - or any other god - built highways. And here we could make a cheap joke (tell your congress-men (or similar) to ask Allah build your roads, instead of spending all that tax money on it). But we refrain from it.
Well, it would be possible for Muhammad to say - true or not true - that Allah showed the first travelers where to travel. But in no case Allah built the roads - or highways. Unless Islam really proves he did - but Islam never proves, they only tell or state or claim, even though they demand proofs from everyone else. Or they say it is said so in the Quran, and that proves it. But a book with that many mistakes has little value as a proof - and besides it is logically impossible to use the Quran to prove the Quran, as circular proofs are without value.
#052 21/31e: “- - - and We (Allah) have made therein (in the mountains*) broad highways (between the mountains) - - -”. This is so ridiculous that we do not remind you that Allah cannot do such things unless he exists and is something supernatural.
##053 21/32c: “And We (Allah*) have made the heavens (plural and wrong*) as a canopy well guarded - - -”. Muhammad was unable to see the difference between stars and shooting stars. In the Quran it is told that the shooting stars (mistaken for being ordinary stars) are “arrows” used to chase away bad spirits or jinns (beings “borrowed” from old Arab pagan religion and folklore and unknown to any other “prophet” than Muhammad), wanting to spy on Heaven. Any child today knows the difference between a real star and a shooting star, and also what would happen on and to the Earth if shooting stars were real stars. Even a baby dwarf god had known this - but Muhammad not, as it is modern knowledge. The pertinent or impertinent question is: Who then composed the Quran?
Also: Oxford Student's Dictionary of English: "Canopy - a cover that hangs or spreads above something". Empty space is no cover = there is no canopy up there.
054 21/32d: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) turn away from the Signs (of Allah*) which all these things (point to)!" When someone uses logically invalid arguments - like claiming not proved "signs" are indication or proof for a god - the logical reaction is to be skeptical. After all the use of false and/or invalid arguments is the hallmark of the cheat and the swindler, and Muhammad on top of this believed in al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), in breaking promises and words - even sworn ones - if that gave better results, and in deceit ("War is deceit") - - - and he wanted power and riches for bribes for more power - and women (like many false prophets in and outside the Bible, but few of the real ones in the OT. Here beware that men like David and Solomon are not reckoned among prophets in the Bible.) This is one more difference between Muhammad and the Biblical prophets - not one of them had a harem of any size. Even if you include men like Abraham and Jacob, they had maximum 1-2 wives and 1-2 concubines if any at all. Abraham had Sarah, Kethura (1. Mos. 25/1 - but only after Sarah was dead) and Sarah's slave Hagar, Jacob had Leah and Rachel plus the two slaves Bilhah and Zilpath (1. Mos. 35/23-26). Remember here that in Bible men like David and Solomon as said are reckoned among the kings, not among the prophets. Muhammad had 36 women we know by name, included his 11 long time wives and 2 concubines/slave women - the 16 short time wives and the 7 where it is unclear if he was married to them or not, and thus if sex was a sin or not - a Muslim is only permitted to have sex with his wives and his slave or captive women or girl children - are normally not mentioned by Muslims. That he in addition raped at least two women, Rayhana bint Amr and Safiyya bint Huayay, after taking them captives, also normally is not mentioned by Muslims).
055 21/33b: "It is He (Allah*) who created Night and Day". This is one of the many natural phenomena Muhammad simply claims for his god - in just the same way as other believers claimed it for their god(s), and just as cheap. It had been a nice proof for Allah - - - if Muhammad first had proved Allah really causes it.
056 21/35d: "To Us (Allah*) must ye (humans*) return (at the Day of Doom*)". One of the many, many never documented claims in the Quran - claims any priest in any religion can make free of charge on behalf of his god(s) as long as he does not have to prove anything. The claim only is true if Allah exists and is a major god, and if the Quran in addition tells the full truth and only the truth at least on this point.
057 21/36e: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) blaspheme - - -". This only could be the case if Allah existed and was a god. (You hardly blaspheme f.x. something from the dark forces or something which is made up.)
058 21/37a: "- - - soon (enough (this word seems to be added by the translator*)) will I (Allah*) show you (people*) My Signs". When this is written, it is nearly 1400 years since this promise was given. Not one sign clearly proving Allah has been given during that time.
059 21/40a: "- - - no power will they (non-Muslims*) they have to avert it (ending in Hell*)". May be not they themselves. But if they are believers in an existing god - say Yahweh if he exists - Yahweh's religion and moral codes, etc. at some points are very different from Allah's. So may be if they do not qualify for paradise in Muhammad's war religion, maybe they do so in Jesus' religion of love. This even more so if Islam is a made up religion and there is no Allah wanting to send them to Hell.
060 21/41a: "Mocked were (many) messengers before thee (Muhammad# - - -". Cheer up Muslims "anno" ca. 621 AD - Muhammad's situation is quite normal for prophets, so Muhammad must be a normal prophet, though according to what he tells the god says, the greatest of prophets. (It is a strange fact that if you read about the great prophets, hardly any boasts about own greatness - if Muhammad is a prophet, he is special also about this. But it is a curios fact that normally only the not great + the impostors need to talk or boast about own greatness.
061 21/42a: "Who can keep you safe by night and by day from the (wrath of) (Allah) Most Gracious)?" This anyone can do if Allah just is a character in a made up book. If Allah after all happens to exist and is a god, the answer will depend on how many gods exist, and on Allah's strength compared to possible others - and on if Allah is a god. Unlike the old Jewish and Christian god Yahweh (according to the Bible and - wrongly claimed to be Allah - also according to the Quran) who proved his existence and power, if the old books tell the truth about performed miracles, etc., Allah never did so.
062 21/42c: "Yet they (unbelievers*) turn away from the mention of their Lord (Allah*)". It also may be that a number of them saw that something was wrong, and that Allah was not showed, only claimed, to be a god.
063 21/43b: "They (other gods*) have no power to aid themselves - - -". We are back to the irritating question about Yahweh - a powerful god the Quran tells exists, even if the book wrongly mixes him up with Allah. And another fact: Allah himself has never once reliably proved his claimed power.
064 21/43c: "They (other gods*) have no power to aid themselves, nor can they be defended from US (Allah*)". Quite likely the Quran may be true about other gods not aiding themselves - though there may be names like f.x. Yahweh. But as for threats from Allah, that will depend on f.x. if Allah exists and on if he has any power - nothing is documented. It is f.x. not proved that Allah even if he should happen to exist, has power to aid himself, not to mention others. Or that he is not from the dark powers (several points f.x. in the Quran's moral code may indicate dark forces).
###065 21/44b: "See they (non-Muslims*) not that We (Allah*) reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? A small concession here, a special right there, a new mosque, a little sharia, a little teaching of discrimination against non-Muslims in a child school or madrasa (religious school) or a mosque - yes, small pieces from the outside and in. To be remembered when Muslims demand concessions - a little here and a little there. A soft strategy in the Jihad.
###066 21/44c: "Is it then they (non-Muslims*) who will win?". A rhetoric question asking for the answer "No". The thing is that this answer often is the correct one - not because they are right, but because they are ruthless and do not care about what means they use, and not least: Because it is drilled and drilled into the religion that if you persevere, the enemy tires sooner or later and gives in. Too often it is true.
067 21/45a: “I (Muhammad*) do but warn you (people*) according to revelations (the Quran*).” The Quran may be a revelation from Muhammad or from other humans or from some invisible powers, but not from an omniscient god – no omniscient god makes mistakes, and in the Quran there may be unbelievable 3000 or more places with some kind of mistake (included repetitions of mistakes), contradictions, etc. if you count absolutely everything and all details. More than 5 for each and every page (ca. 6 for every full page) in our book!! Many of the mistakes just are details – but a god does not make even details wrong. And a large number of the errors definitely are more than details.
068 21/45b: "- - - but the deaf (skeptics*) will not hear the call (the Quran*) - - -". This psychologically is a much better way to explain his followers why so few wanted his religion, (until after he started raids for riches, so they could become rich, and after he became strong enough to force his religion on the surrounding tribes (much of Arabia just got the choice: Become Muslims or fight us and die)), than to tell the plain fact: Many saw errors in his tales.
069 21/45c: "- - - but the deaf will not hear the call, (even) when they are warned". A typical trait for humans. F.x. Muslims are warned that so much is wrong in the Quran, that it is not from a god - and the errors are easy to see. But the one who refuses to see what the Quran really tells and refuses to listen to the fact that something is really wrong - well, nobody is more deaf and blind than the one who does not want to hear or see (ok. the one afraid to hear or see unwanted facts, may be even worse). Like it or not: One has to be very both blind and deaf not to see the errors, etc. in the Quran. Or very naive when one does not at least starts thinking when there are hundreds and more errors, contradictions, etc. which must be "explained" away - no god is that clumsy when he makes his easy to understand and very clear holy book.
070 21/46a: "If but a breath of the Wrath of thy (Muhammad's/peoples*) Lord (Allah*) do touch them (skeptics*) - - -". This can only happen if Allah exists and is something supernatural - white or black.
071 21/47a: "- - - scales of justice - - -". Why does an omniscient god need this?
072 21/47b: "- - - scales of justice - - -". This is one of the big differences between the Quern and especially NT: In the Quran it mainly is the "scale of justice" which counts - the balance of good and bad deeds. In NT Yahweh's love and forgiving counts as much and more (this counts also for Allah, but it is much more central in NT). We may add that the scale to weigh good and bad against each others, the Quran "borrowed" from Persia and the Zoroastrians.
073 21/50a: "- - - this (the Quran*) is a blessed message - - -". A war "gospel" spiced with may be 3ooo mistakes, contradictions, cases of invalid logic, etc. + partly immoral rules for ethics, moral and laws, is not blessed. At least not blessed by any omniscient, good and benevolent god.
074 21/50c: “And this (the Quran*) is a blessed message which We (Allah*) have sent down”. How many ways is it possible to ask the question: Can it be true that an omniscient god has sent down a book with such a number of mistaken facts, unclear points, contradictions, cases of invalid logic and other wrongs - f.x. linguistic and perhaps religious mistakes? Not to mention: How likely is it that a book of such a miserable quality, at least concerning wrong facts, contradictions, clearness, invalid proofs and logic plus partly immoral moral and ethical codes, and as medium a quality as literature, can have a prominent place as the revered Mother Book in the home of an omniscient and omnipotent god? It simply is impossible. Similar claims in 21/50 – 36/17 – 38/1 – 38/7 – 42/52 – 56/81
#075 21/50d: “- - - will ye (people*) then reject it (the Quran*)?” Of course we will reject it. When people with some intelligence and education are face to face with a book with lots and lots of mistakes, contradictions, twisted arguments and as twisted logic, unclear language ("different ways of reading" and more), with partly immoral and unjust moral and ethical rules and partly immoral and unjust laws, and with points where it is clear the narrator knew he was lying – and everything told from one single narrator with a most questionable ethic and morality, but with a strong liking for women and power, and religion his main platform for power, it is very naïve even to ask this question. No intelligent, educated, not brainwashed person really has another choice than to reject it, if no real proofs for that Islam is not a made up religion are produced. (And Islam has been unable to produce - and we do not here mean manufactured, because that they have really tried - one single real proof for Allah or for Muhammad’s claimed connection to a god – any god – and hence for Islam being true, in 1400 years - - - why do you think Muhammad and Islam glorify and demand blind belief?)
076 21/51b: "- - - Abraham - - -". The man who denounced and quarreled with his father according to the Quran, but lived and travelled together with him for a long time until Abraham set out for Canaan when he was 75 years old, according to the Bible (1. Mos. 12/4), and without any quarrel mentioned in the Bible. The man who according to the Quran took his family and huge flocks of animals some 750 miles/1200 km from where he normally lived - much of the way through the harsh and rough and hot and dry and forbidding Arab desert - to a dry, forbidding, empty and narrow desert valley and lived there with his animals without water (the Zamzam well was not found yet) and fodder (the Mecca valley is total desert (empty or scrublands) - 4.34 inches/110 mm rain A YEAR, an average temperature for a year 31+ centigrades + an average humidity for a year of miserable some 45% = water evaporates fast) for the flocks, till it fit to leave his son Ishmael and his concubine Hagar there, in the place which many centuries later was to become Mecca. Then he returned home the same grueling road - but came back years later to build himself a big mosque - - - still some 1200 km (some 750 miles) of partly horrible conditions away from his home, and in an arid, empty place in the middle of not even nowhere. And this according to science centuries and more before the camel was introduced in Canaan where he lived, and thus before such trips became practical possible.
Believe it if you are able to.
To quote relevant science: "It is highly unlikely Abraham ever visited Mecca".
077 21/51d: "- - - rectitude of conduct - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this it is meant in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.
078 21/52-71: Abraham delivered from Nimrod's fire. This story is taken from "Midrash Rabbah". And this part has another point: Abraham and Nimrod did not live at the same time (if they ever lived). Muhammad had a strong tendency to mix persons from different times (f.x. Haman and Ramses II - some 800 years wrong. Or Mary and Miriam - some 1200 years wrong.) You do not find this story about Abram (later renamed Abraham) and the gods in the Bible - the only source about Abraham - and 1000 years or more older than the Quran, and a book where one of the heroes had benefited from a tale like this, so no-one would dream of taking it out if it was true.
Who then was Nimrod? Nimrod according to the Bible was the son of Cush, who was the son of Ham, who was one of the three sons of Noah, who - if he ever lived - lived some 5ooo-6ooo years ago. If Abraham ever lived, he lived some 3800-4ooo years ago. Which means there were some 1ooo-2ooo years between Nimrod and Abraham.
It takes a lot of missing knowledge to mix two persons living some 1ooo-2ooo years apart. No omniscient god makes that kind of mistake.
####079 21/53b: "We (Abraham's people*) found our fathers worshipping them". #####This is as true for Muslims as for anyone else. A man once told a tale. Some ones believed it and told their children by mouth or in writing. The children told their children that this was true, without ever checking if it even could be true. And so on generation after generation. = "Taqlid" - the main reason why Muslims believe in the Quran and Islam. Not one single comma is proved about Islam. It is only that once upon a time some forefathers started believing the tales of a charismatic leader. And this in spite of clear and overwhelming proofs for that something is - or more correctly; many things are - very wrong in his tales, and in spite of knowing very well that he believed in using lies, deceiving and even breaking of oaths, and in spite of knowing he wanted power plus riches for bribes for more power - and women - - - just so like many a self proclaimed prophet through the times. (And in this case it might be thought provoking that many a false prophet went far out for riches and power and women, whereas none of the known real(?) prophets were much interested in such things (NB: Men like David and Solomon in the Bible are not reckoned to be prophets, but mighty kings)).
#####We may add that it is typical for blind belief - "taqlid" in Arab - in any religion, included Islam, to believe not because of proofs, but in spite of proofs. This in spite of the very obvious fact that a religion which is clearly proved wrong, obviously is on a wrong track and will lead its followers to no paradise if there is a next life. Man is a strange creature sometimes: When strong belief collides with clear and true facts, the clear and true facts can go home whistling a song.
This verse is not from the Bible - just like so many other "Biblical" tales in the Quran.
080 21/53-67: The quarrel about religion between Abram/Abraham and his father and the others is not from the Bible. There also in the Torah is no indication for that they were pagans or that there was a quarrel (the relevant verses: 1. Mos. 11/27-32. There is an exception though in Jos. 24/2 which tells about other gods, but not about strife). Besides: As the Quran is not from a god, and as the Bible is the only source of information about Abram/Abraham - from where did Muhammad get these stories?
081 21/54b: "Indeed ye (Abraham's people*) have been in manifest error - ye and your fathers". Like also Muslims are, if the Quran is a made up book - and no god made a book with so much wrong, not to mention revered it as a "mother book" (13/39, 43/4, 85/21-22) in his own "home".
082 21/55b: "Have you (Abraham*) brought us (the doubters*) the Truth (via something like the Quran*)?". An easy question to answer: A book with that many mistaken facts, other errors, contradictions, cases of invalid logic, etc. at best is partly true. That the Quran is the Truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact - actually proved wrong. Also see 2/2b above.
083 21/56a: "- - - your (peoples'*) Lord (Allah*) is the Lord of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth - - -". Often claimed, but never proved. (In addition: In the Bible it is claimed that Abram/Abraham's god was Yahweh, not Allah - 2 different gods in spite of Muhammad's never documented claims (actually it is a disproved claim, as there are too many errors in the Quran), and as the teachings by far are too different for coming from the same god).
########We have not mentioned much about al-Lah/Allah's position in the Kabah before Muhammad. The reason is that it is quite unclear. There are two gods mentioned as the main god for the Quraysh tribe = the main god in the Kabah: Hubal, the moon god (see second part of 1/1d), and al-Lah/Allah - also a moon god, at least in southern parts of Arabia. There are clear indications, but no proofs, for that these two really and simply were two names for the same god - perhaps with Hubal as his "personal" name and al-Lah/Allah his title (al-Lah/Allah means "the god", or in this case "the main god").
There also are indications for that there were connections between Hubal and the Ba'al (a name used for some gods in that region) known from f.x. the Bible - same god and similar name, but in another variety of religion. If this is true, the Quran and Islam is way beyond the Milky Way when they forward claims like Zachariya prayed to Allah/Hubal/Ba'al, or that Jesus preached about Allah/Hubal/Ba'al, as in those times such connections would be known, even if they are forgotten today, and Ba'al represented the Devil to the Jews of those times.
084 21/56c: “- - - He (Allah*) Who created them (man*) - - -". This is a very interesting claim - interesting because similar claims and statements frequently are repeated in the Quran, but never the slightest proof for that it may be true - only the word of a man who according to Islam and its books believed in using lies (al-Taqiyya - the lawful lie - Kitman - the lawful half-truth - not only can, but ought to be used "if necessary" to defend or promote Islam), deceit ("War is deceit" - and everything is Jihad), and even broken promises/words/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a+b, 16/91, 66/2). And a man wanting power and riches for bribes for more power - - - and women.
In contradiction to Muhammad's inability to prove anything at all, and his "explaining" away - sometimes even lying in the Quran and Hadiths (see separate chapter in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran") - about Allah's claimed power, both the Quran (f.x. 5/110) and the Bible (f.x. Mark 5/41, John 11/44, Luke 7/15, Acts 20/10 - and of course the resurrection of Jesus himself) tell about Yahweh's power over death. Thought provoking?
##085 21/56e: “- - - He (Allah*) Who created them (man*) (from nothing): and I (Abraham) am a witness to this (truth)”. Wrong even according to the Quran, as the Quran tells Man - Adam - was created from this and that (see 6/2b above). And on top of that: – man was made from something, though not created, as he developed from earlier primates. This really is an unintended joke: It is told that Allah did something that is not true - and Abraham witnesses that it is the truth, and this even if he lived millions of years later! (Some 6 million years or a bit more after the first humanoid, and may be 200ooo after the first Homo Sapiens). Some proof for Allah! Is it possible that Allah himself has sent down this mistaken "proof"? But it does tell something about proofs in the Quran – and from Muslims.
086 21/57a: "- - - by Allah - - -". Abraham is swearing by Allah - expressions in the Quran starting with "by" normally are oaths. But according to the Bible Abraham's god was Yahweh, and living far from Arabia at this time - He did not come even to Canaan until after he was 75 (1. Mos. 12/4) - he hardly even had heard the name of the old Arab pagan god al-Lah, not to mention Allah. (But perhaps the older names al-Ilah (the moon god of at least south Arabia - it is no coincidence that the crescent moon is the symbol for Allah and for Islam) or Il - the oldest known name.)
We may add that originally Hubal (see second part of 1/1d) was the moon god in Arabia, and some sources say the Kabah originally was his temple and dedicated to him. But when Muhammad was born, al-Lah - sometimes named Allah - may have taken over as Arabia's main god. It is a bit ironic that a building dedicated to an old moon god (be it Hubal or al-Lah/Allah - because also Allah had been a moon god and the crescent moon still is his symbol) was and is the most holy place on Earth for a claimed only and claimed omnipotent god - and as ironic is the fact that if Muhammad had been born earlier, Islam's god might have been named Hubal, not Allah (Muhammad simply took over the claimed mightiest of the pagan Arab gods, and earlier Hubal was reckoned to be the most powerful one - and the moon god like al-Lah had been and perhaps still was).
########We have not mentioned much about al-Lah/Allah's position in the Kabah before Muhammad. The reason is that it is quite unclear. There are the two gods mentioned as the main god for the Quraysh tribe = the main god in the Kabah: Hubal, the moon god, and al-Lah/Allah - also a moon god, at least in southern parts of Arabia. There are clear indications, but no proofs, for that these two really and simply were two names for the same god - perhaps with Hubal as his "personal" name and al-Lah/Allah his title (al-Lah/Allah means "the god", or in this case "the main god").
There also are indications for that there were connections between Hubal and the Ba'al (a name used for some gods) known from f.x. the Bible - same god and similar name, but in another variety of religion. If this is true, the Quran and Islam are way beyond the Milky Way when they forward claims like Zachariya prayed to Allah/Hubal/Ba'al, or that Jesus preached about Allah/Hubal/Ba'al, as in those times such connections would be known, even if they are forgotten today, and Ba'al represented the Devil to the Jews of those times.
087 21/57-67: Nothing of this - and of much more - are in the Bible. From where did Muhammad get these stories? The dark forces? A sick brain (TLE -Temporal Lobe Epilepsy)? A cold, scheming brain? Legends and fairy tales?
088 21/65a: "Then they (Abraham's people*) were confounded with shame: - - -". This is not a natural reaction. Pagans at this level know fully well that the images are not gods - the images only are holy symbols. They are praying to the gods they believe are "behind" the symbols - just like no Christian prays to a picture of God/Yahweh, but to the god himself. The natural reaction if they were believers, would not have been shame but anger (because of destroyed holy symbols). This story is naive.
089 21/66b: "Do you then worship, besides Allah - - -". Except for in Arabia where the pagans had gods beside al-Lah (not Muhammad's Allah, but the original pagan god al-Lah/Allah whom Muhammad took over and dressed up), no other places people had gods besides Allah/al-Lah. They simply did not believe in this god and had their own - and if the Quran's claim that its god was for the entire world, the god had known that this expression was wrong. But by repeating and repeating it, Muhammad gave a picture of a god known all over - or at least had been known all over, but with competition from local (false) gods. Good psychology as long as the listeners accepts anything in blind and uncritical belief - "taqlid". Also see 25/18a below.
##090 21/66c: "Do you then worship, besides Allah, things that can be neither of any good to you nor do you harm?" To continue this way of thinking: "Do you then worship a claimed god who not one single time in all history and prehistory provably has done even one single man, woman or child neither any good nor any harm? A god whose existence only are to be found in claims from a man believing in lying (al-Taqiyya, Kitman, Hilah), deceit ("War is deceit" and "everything" is Jihad), and broken words/promises/oaths! And a man wanting power and women - like many a false prophet, but few real ones.
And to repeat it: Except for in Arabia where the pagans had gods beside al-Lah (not Muhammad's Allah, but the original pagan god al-Lah/Allah whom Muhammad took over and dressed up), no other places people had gods besides Allah/al-Lah. They simply did not believe in this god and, had their own - and if the Quran's claim that its god was for the entire world, the god had known that this expression was wrong. But by repeating and repeating it, Muhammad gave a picture of a god known all over - or at least had been known all over, but with competition from local (false) gods. Good psychology as long as the listeners accepts anything in blind belief. Also see 25/18a below.
091 21/67b: "Have ye (non-Muslims*) no sense (believing in other gods than Allah*)". Muhammad often pretended that to believe in Allah is logical if you are intelligent - for who does not like to be reckoned among the intelligent ones, especially if you are not very intelligent. He also used to pretend Allah was a proved fact, without the slightest proof. You meet varieties of these arguments not a few places in the Quran. Also see 13/3j above.
092 21/67c: "Have ye (non-Muslims*) no sense (believing in other gods than Allah*)". May be good sense was just what they had - and then saw something was very wrong in the new religion.
093 21/68-69: This is in short the story of Nimrod's Fire (see 21/69b below). It is - like so much in the Quran pretending to be old Jewish history - not from the Bible. The story also is impossible, as Nimrod lived centuries or much more before Abraham - if he ever lived. (Nimrod was the great grandson of Noah and lived(?) something like 1ooo or more years before Abraham according to science). Muhammad had little knowledge about the Bible, but any god had known this.
094 21/69b: “We (Allah*) said, ‘O fire! Be thou cool, and (a means of) safety for Abraham”. This episode is normally referred to as "Nimrod's (or Nimrud's) Fire". But as Nimrod was the great grandson of Noah and as he lived - if he ever lived - perhaps some 2ooo or more years before Abraham (perhaps - perhaps - the Big Flood was an enormous, but after all local flood one has found traces from in Iraq, and which happened some 3600 BC - in that case 1600-1800 years before Abraham), this is an impossibility. Then Muslims - not for the first or only time - say: "It was another with the same name", in this case an unknown king. We have found no basis for this claim, and Islam will have to produce proofs. This even more so as this is a typical Muslim way of explaining away problems - and like normal without any proofs.
095 21/73e: "- - - regular prayers - - -". This demand for regular prayers - 5 times a day - was so essential for Allah (he even wanted more often according to Hadiths) that it became one of the 5 "pillars" of Islam. For Yahweh such formalism was so totally without any interest, that no similar rule - not even the idea - at all is mentioned in the entire Bible: Pray when there is a reason or a need or a wish. One of the 100% for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.
An irony is that if it is true that Allah has predestined everything, prayers for something have no meaning, as Allah cannot change his predestined Plan for you.
096 21/73g: "- - - and they (the prophets of the old*) constantly served us (Allah*) (and Us only)". At least the prophets of the Bible - the real ones - served Yahweh, not Allah - and at least for the youngest ones this is likely to be documented facts as we slowly are approaching historical times where we get somewhat reliable information about also the religions, not only something which is said in the Bible (but in the Bible false prophets are mentioned several times - some of them may have served other gods).
097 21/76b: “We (Allah*) listened to his (Noah’s*) (prayer) and delivered him and his family from great distress (= Allah saved Noah’s family from the flood*)”. But:
11/43: “- - - and the son (of Noah*) was among those overwhelmed in the Flood.” Noah just had 3 sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth – 1. Mos. 7/13, and not contradicted by the Quran – and he lost one of them. In addition it is clear from another place in the Quran that also his wife ended in Hell. That is not “saved Noah’s family”. (In the Bible Noah lost no son and his wife was not condemned to Hell.)
2 solid contradictions compared to the Bible. Besides: As the Quran is not from a god with all its mistakes, etc., the only source for information about Noah is the Bible. From where then did Muhammad get his claimed information not in the Bible? Similar claim in 37/76.
098 21/78b: "- - - the sheep of certain people who had strayed by night - - -". There is no such story in the Bible. Either this is a pure legend retold - there are many made up legends retold in the Quran, claimed to be the pure truth - or it is a misunderstood version of the story about David and Bathsheba (2. Sam. 11/2-26), or to be more exact the prophet Nathan's words to David because of this (2. Sam. 12/1-7). Twisted stories from the Bible you find some of in the Quran - and the crucial word in those cases is "twisted". And as crucial: As the Quran is not from a god - too much is wrong - and as the Bible mostly is the only source for these old stories: From where did Muhammad get the claimed Biblical information not in the Bible?
099 21/78c: "- - - We (Allah*) did witness their (David/Solomon's*) judgment". If the story (see 21/78b just above) is a made up one - and there is no known source for it - this is a thought provoking statement.
100 21/79a: "To Solomon We (Allah*) inspired the (right) understanding of the matter (see verse 21/78) - - - it was We who did (all this things)". If the story 21/78 refers to, is a made up one - and there exists no source for it - also this is a thought provoking statement.
101 21/79f: “- - - it was Our (Allah’s*) power that made the hills and the birds celebrate Our (Allah's) praise - - -.” Hills express no feelings or anything – they are totally inanimate. Birds? In old times religious people claimed they sang to praise God - or Allah or gods. But science has long since found that the reasons for their songs are more prosaic – mainly to declare their territory or to attract mates. Besides they do not have the brain power for abstract thinking like praising a god. Animism and anthropomorphism in one verse - things normally found in primitive religions and in fairy tales.
102 21/79h: "- - - it was We (Allah*) who did (all these things)". Similar often claimed, but never proved. Also: Not dissimilar to 11/7a above.
103 21/80a: “It was We (Allah*) Who taught him (King David*) the making of coats of mail”. This is piece of extra interesting information (also in 34/11): The Quran tells that Allah taught David how to make coats of mail (also named chain mail or ring mail). Soldiers and warriors have used mail - f.x. scaled mail - for thousands of years, but coats of mail was not invented until around 300 BC, according to Wikipedia - some 600 - 700 years after David - and then by the Celts, who were not very close to Allah. Any god had known this, but Muhammad not. Then who made the Quran?
104 21/81a: "(- - - Our (Allah's*) power - - -)". This often claimed power is nowhere documented or in other ways proved or clearly demonstrated - not one single time in 1400 years. The best proof for this, is Islam's silence about such a proof - not one single word ever.
105 21/81b: "- - - the violent (unruly) wind flow (tamely) for Solomon, to his order - - -". This is one of the many stories in the Quran from legends - it is not in the Bible, and the Jews had not forgotten such a miracle connected to their great king. And we remind you: Science has long since proved beyond any even unreasonable doubt that the Bible is not falsified (but it was a necessary claim to save Muhammad's religion for him.) Islam has even more thoroughly proved the same by being unable to find one single proved falsification. Not one.
106 21/82a: “And of the evil ones it was some who (worked for him = Solomon*) - - -“. Islam will have to bring strong proofs for this. There were plenty of legends and fairy tales in Arabia like this which Muhammad could “borrow” stories from, but never any proved case of any jinn really working for anyone - yes, not even for the existence of jinns. It also in no case had been omitted from the Bible if it had been true - it had glorified Solomon far too much to be left out of the book. UNLESS VERY STRONG PROOFS, THIS IS A MADE UP FAIRY TALE - "strong claims need strong proofs".
107 21/82c: "- - - it was We (Allah*) who guarded them (the jinns claimed to be working for Solomon*)". What does it tell about the Quran that it states that Allah guarded jinns in a claimed true story obviously from a fairy tale?
108 21/83b: "(Allah is) the Most Merciful of those who are merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the moral code, the immoral parts of the sharia laws, the verses telling that Allah makes humans and jinns for Hell, and others telling he blocks the road to Heaven for many - afterwards you can tell us if you think Allah is especially merciful (he is not even fair always). When a man - or a god - says something, but does something else, we always believe his deeds, not his words. Also see 1/1a above.
109 21/84a: "- - - and We (Allah*) restored his (Job's*) people to him - - -". And all was well? Not a word about the loss the ones who had to die had had - the main person is rich again, and that is what counts. Empathy with the less essential ones does not exist in the Quran.
110 21/85a: "Ishmael - - - (was a man) of constancy and patience". EVERYTHING said about Ishmael in the Bible you find here: 1. Mos.16/1-15, 1. Mos. 17/18-21, 1. Mos. 21/9-21, and 1. Mos. 25/12-18. There is no more, except "en passent" mentioning of the name or indirectly like when Yahweh said: "But my covenant I establish with Isaac - - -" (= not with Ishmael, 1. Mos.17/21 (included in one of the 4 places, but we highlight the indirect message)). Ishmael may have been patient, but 1. Mos. 25/18 indicates that at least his sons were not.
111 21/87e: "There is no god but Thee (here indicated to be Allah*) - - -". See 6/106b above.
112 21/87f: "There is no god but Thee (here indicated to be Allah*) - - -". It should not be necessary to mention that according to the Bible, Jonah's god was Yahweh, not Allah.
113 21/88a: "- and thus do We (Allah*) deliver those who have faith". If Allah exists and is a central god. And if he in case is correctly described in the Quran.
114 21/89b: "- - - Zakariyya, when he cried to his Lord (here indicated to be Allah*) - - -". This is plainly wrong. One thing is that the Bible says his god was Yahweh, not Allah. Much more serious here is that we now are in the times of history: Zakariyya was a priest in the Temple in Jerusalem according to both the Bible and the Quran, and we are around the times of the birth of Jesus. From these times we have a number of written papers confirming that the cult of Yahweh was totally dominant in Israel - so dominant that to pray to a pagan god (al-Lah) from a neighboring country in the Temple at this time, not to mention for a priest to do so, was much more than unthinkable. Thus we here have not only a statement from the Bible, but a proved fact that it was out of any question for Zakariyya (Zechariah in the Bible) to pray to Allah/al-Lah.
Another point: If it is true that Allah/al-Lah = Hubal = Ba'al (a name used for some gods) - something we do not know for sure today (see second part of 1/1d), but which the old Jews would have known - the quote here is way behind the moon.
####115 21/91a: "- - - her who guarded her chastity - - -". = Mary. Both the Bible and the Quran agrees on that she was a virgin. But one thing is to read about this in the NT and in the Quran. More uncanny is it to read in the prophet Isaiah (Is. 7/14) several hundred years before Christ: "Therefore the Lord himself (Yahweh*) will give you a sign: A Virgin will be with child and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel". This becomes extra uncanny when you know that Immanuel means "god with us", as this practically is what Christians call him: The divine "who was with us" (remember Jesus is not reckoned to be the God, only divine - there only is one God).
###116 21/91b: "- - - her who guarded her chastity - - -". = Mary. Both the Bible and the Quran agrees on that she was a virgin. (See 3/47b, 19/20 (and -21), 66/12 and here). This is no news neither for Christians, nor for many others (even though many are not aware that the Quran solidly confirms it). All the same you will meet Muslims claiming Mary was a slut going after Roman soldiers, etc. - to slander is in way of debating for some. Then it can be good to remember that any Muslim saying things like that, at the same time tells that the Quran is wrong at least 4 places - the at least 4 places it confirms she was chaste.
117 21/91ba: "We (the god*) breathed into her (Mary*) Our Spirit (so that she became pregnant*) - - -". #####The one making a woman pregnant, is the father of the child.
#118 21/91c: “- - - and We (the god*) made her (Mary’s*) son (Jesus*) a Sign for all peoples.” Very correct according to the Bible - but a sign for Yahweh/God, not for Allah - not unless Islam proves Allah is the same god as Yahweh/God. And the two religions and the two gods - especially the war god Allah from the surahs from Medina compared to the benevolent God/Yahweh from NT - are too different for that to be possible - not unless the god is seriously ill mentally.
Definitely not a proof for Allah. But a sign for Yahweh/God if the old books tell the truth on this point.
119 21/92b: "- - - I (Allah*) am your (people's*) Lord and Cherisher - - -". Often claimed, never proved. And the claims are from a not reliable man who had much to gain on making people believe this.
120 21/93a: "But (later generations) cut off their affair (of unity) - - -". Muhammad claimed Islam was the original religion in the world, but that sects and disbelievers later drifted away or falsified the "pure belief". The fact is that there does not exist one single trace of anything similar to Islam (except the Jewish and Christian religion which have some similarities) in any branch of science, and not even in legends or fairy tales older than 610 AD when Muhammad started his preaching. The best proof for this: If any unmistakable older trace had existed, Islam had told about it in big letters, and often. Muhammad's never proved (normal for Muhammad) claim simply is wrong, unless Islam has some valid proofs.
121 21/93b: "- - - (yet) will they (people*) all return to Us (Allah - on the Day of Doom*)". Often claimed, never documented.
122 21/94b: "- - - Righteousness - - -". When words like this is used in the Quran, beware that it is as compared to the Quran's partly immoral moral code.
123 21/94d: "We (Allah*) shall record it - - -". Why does an omniscient good need a record?
124 21/96c: “Until the Gog and Magog (people) are let through (their barrier), and they swiftly swarm from every hill”. This will according to the Quran happen shortly before the Day of Doom - which means the two big tribes(?) are still living behind the barrier Alexander the Great was claimed to have built. BUT: Where is the wall? Where is the valley? Today every inch of the globe is mapped, and there is no walled in valley anywhere. Not in the east where Alexander travelled, and nowhere else. (And we repeat: Gog and Magog are not to be released until shortly before the Day of Doom, according to the Quran, so they should still be in the valley big enough also to feed them).
125 21/96d: Gog and Magog - 2 peoples or tribes. Originally this may be from OT which tells about Prince Gog from the country Magog. But Muhammad seems to have it from Arab (mainly oral) literature - perhaps the "Saba Moallaquat of Imra 'ul Cays".
126 21/96e: Gog and Magog also are part of the Quran's story (not history) about Alexander the Great - see 18/83-99, and especially 18/93-97. And not least: The release of Gog and Magog from their valley, is a sign for the coming of the Day of Doom - they are to be locked up till then. But no-one has ever found that big valley, not even modern satellite photos.
127 21/97e: "(We non-Muslims*) were indeed headless of this; any, we truly did wrong!" Never proved - but very nice for naive or blind believers to listen to. Good propaganda. There is much like this in the Quran.
128 21/98c: “Verily ye, (unbelievers), and the (false) gods that ye worship besides Allah, are (but) fuel for Hell!” But Jesus is reckoned by the Quran to be a false god to the Christians, and consequently this is contradicted by:
4/158: “Nay, Allah raised him (Jesus*) up to Himself (in Heaven*) - - -.”
So Jesus was no fuel for Hell?
129 21/99: "If these (false gods*) had been gods, they would not have got there (in Hell*)".
Is it fair by Allah to condemn them to Hell when they absolutely are not guilty of the situation themselves and were unable to avoid it?
As essential: They will not end there, unless the Quran is from a god and in addition tells the truth on this point - and there are so many points in the Quran which are not true. Or unless there exists a god somewhere as unfair as Allah sometimes is - - - and what then with all Muslims in case? - especially if Allah on top of all is a made up god.
130 21/104a: “The day We (Allah*) roll up the heavens (plural and wrong - like some 180 other places in the Quran where the word is used separately, and at least 199 places all in all*) like a scroll - - -”. It is not possible to roll up an optical illusion. And at least the observable Universe is a sphere – diameter 27.4 billion light-years – and how to roll up a sphere? (Of course Islam can say the Universe is (part of) a “brane” (a thick “sheet” of stars and galaxies some trillion light-years wide) – another contradiction to the Quran in case – but then they first will have to prove that “branes” exists, as they just are a scientific or science fiction speculations).
131 21/104e: "- - - even as We (Allah*) produced the first Creation, so shall We produce a new one - - -". Loose promises are easy - and Allah has till now not proved he can neither create or recreate anything at all.
132 21/106b: "Verily in this (Quran) is a Message for people who would (truly) worship Allah". That may well be, but if the Quran is a made up book - by an illness, man/men, or dark forces as no god is involved in a book with so much wrong - also the message is a made up one, and then the god may also be a made up one. (May be we should hope he is made up, as he at points is very immoral, unfair, bloody and harsh. As we have said before: When a man or a god says something, but demands and does something very differently, we any day believe in his demands and his deeds, not his words - words are too cheap.
133 21/107: “We (Allah*) sent thee (Muhammad*) not, but for a Mercy for all creatures.” Muhammad was not much of a mercy to the world – read the surahs from Medina. Neither was he a mercy for most Muslims – read the surahs from Medina + the verses about women, law, slavery, not to mention the to a large part inhuman ethical and moral codes. This verse is contradicted and often “killed” by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 5/73, 8/12, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 29 contradictions).
134 21/108a: "What (the Quran*) has come to me (Muhammad) - - -". Did it really come? - - - and in case from where, as no god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran.
135 21/108b: "What has come to me (Muhammad) by inspiration - - -". Inspiration is a very convenient way to get messages - or pretend to get them - or believe to get them f.x. from an illness like TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) - or from a mixture of these. Just to mention it once more: According to the Bible, Yahweh never used inspiration to send massages to his prophets, only direct contact, visions, and dreams (4. Mos. 12/6-8). One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.
136 21/108d: “- - - will ye therefore bow to His (Allah’s*) Will (in Islam)?” Is that an intelligent thing to do for intelligent, learned people who know how much is wrong in the Quran, and know it’s very doubtful background? It needs strong proofs to prove it is a real religion with a real god – and if it is not: What then if there exists a real religion somewhere, and you are forbidden (f.x. by Islam) to search for it? – it will be a rude awakening on The Last Day (if it comes).
137 21/109b: "- - - the Message - - -". The Quran. But is the Quran really a message? - and in case from whom, as no god ever was involved in a book of that quality?
138 21/109e: "- - - promised - - -". See 2/2b above.<7p
139 21/110: "It is He (Allah*) Who knows what is open in speech and what ye (people*) hide (in youth hearts)". See 2/233h above.
#####140 21/111: "- - - a trial - - -". Why does a predestining, omniscient god need to put people through trials? - especially meaningless if he has predestined the outcome himself, and the Quran many places states that Allah predestines everything and according to his Plan - a Plan nothing and nobody can change. Also see 8/28a above.
141 21/112a: "O my (Muhammad's*) Lord (Allah*)! Judge Thou in truth". Impossible if he does not exist. Improbable if he exists, but belongs to the dark forces (he is no god if he is behind the Quran - too much is wrong in that book).
142 21/112e: “- - - against the blasphemies you utter!” Is it blasphemy to doubt what is told about Allah, when there are weighty reasons for doubt? (- all the mistakes, contradictions, etc. in the Quran). Unless Allah exists - which Islam will have to prove - there is no blasphemy in doubting his existence.
143 21/112f: "- - - against the blasphemies ye utter". It is no blasphemies unless the Quran tells the full truth - not necessarily only the truth, but at least the full truth. And not least: Not unless Allah really exists - there only is the word of one man for that. A man believing in al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing) breaking of words/promises/oaths (according to the Quran - 2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2), and deceit ("War is deceit" - and "everything" was jihad). And a man wanting power and riches for bribes to get more power - - - and lots of women.
And not least a man practicing "taqlid" (blind acceptance of the fathers, religion), at least to the degree that he reused most of the old Arab pagan religion's rituals and its most holy place and building - and demanding that later generations should live in "taqlid" concerning his own, new religion.
3954 + 143 = 4097 remarks.
Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".
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