1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 18


SURAH 18: Al-Kahf (The Cave)

(Mecca 622 AD)


001  "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 18/1a: "Praise be to Allah." See 1/1a above and see if you think he deserves it - if he exists.

003 18/1b: “- - - Allah, Who hath sent down to his Servant (Muhammad*) - - -". The sinister question is: Was Muhammad the servant of an omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent god? Muhammad never was able to prove even the smallest of his central claims, and it is clear that his claimed holy book is no from a god - the quality of the contents is of such a low quality, not least scientifically, that it is an insult, slander and heresy to accuse any god for such sloppy work.

004 18/1c: “- - - Allah, Who hath sent down to his Servant - - - the Book (the Quran*)". Well, the next sinister question is: Can a book this full of mistaken facts, contradictions, and other mistakes, really be sent down by an omniscient god? If yes, does that mean that Allah is not omniscient/omnipotent? If no, does it mean that someone else who is/was not omniscient, has made (up) the Quran? The last question is most sinister, especially as it means that Islam is a made up religion, and even more so if this (may be?) made up religion blocks the road for its “believers” to a real religion (if such one exists). The answers have got to be: No omniscient god would make such an unreliable book (among other reasons because man had to see the mistakes sooner or later, and lose confidence), and it is likely it is made by one or more humans at the time of Mohammad (among other reasons because the mistakes and many of the stories are in accordance with what one believed in Arabia at that time, and in accordance with tales known there and then, and often mainly/only there).

#005 18/1d: “(Allah*) hath allowed therein (in the Quran*) no Crookedness.” In a book that full of mistaken facts, contradictions, and other mistakes, there is a lot of crookedness. Especially the mistakes, the use of invalid “signs”, ”proofs” and as invalid logic, and the partly immoral moral code and laws, the acceptance of dishonesty in words (lies, deceit, broken oaths, etc.) and deeds (thieving/looting, extortion, slave taking, etc), "smell".


#006 18/1e: (A18/1): "The above phrase ("no Crookedness"*) is meant to establish the direct, unambiguous character of the Quran - - -". Do remember this each time Muslims claim that mistakes in the Quran "in reality" are allegories or similar. Also see 18/1d just above.

####Also: As there are lots of obvious crookedness in the Quran, what fact does this establish?



More down to the Earth: Muslims often explains away mistakes, etc. in the Quran with the claim that what is written there is not what is meant - it is a parable or an allegory or something. A book where you have to guess what is literally meant and what are parables - and what the parables in case mean - definitely is not easy.

######That the Quran tells - directly or indirectly, but clearly - that the texts in the Quran is clear, explained by Allah, and to be understood literally, you find f.x. these places: 3/7b, 3/138a, 6/114ca, 11/1b, 15/1d, 17/12h, 18/1d-e, 18/2a, 19/97b, 20/113b+c, 24/34, 24/54j, 26/2a, 27/1b-d, 28/2, 36/69e, 37/117c, 39/28b, 41/3da, 43/2a, 43/3c, 43/29b, 44/2b-c, 44/13d, 44/58b, 54/17a, 54/22b, 54/32a+b, 54/40a, 65/11f, and 75/19 Worth remembering each time a Muslim or Islam tries to "explain" away errors, etc. by claiming the text means something different from what it says. In such cases either the Muslim/Islam lies when he/she claims the text means something different from what it says (the claim often is that it is a parable or something), or the Quran lies when it says that the book uses clear texts where nothing else is indicated.

The listed points are all collected under 3/7b and 44/58b.

Or perhaps Allah is so clumsy and helpless when he explains things, that he needs help from humans to explain what "he really means"? (Nonsense to say the least about such claims lying under such "explanations".)


007 18/1f: (A18/1): "The above phrase ("no Crookedness"*) is meant to establish the direct, unambiguous character of the Quran and to stress its freedom from all obscurities - - -". See 18/1e just above.

008 18/1g: (A18/1): "The above phrase ("no Crookedness"*) is meant to establish the direct, unambiguous character of the Quran and to stress its freedom from all obscurities and internal contradictions". A symbolic irony as there are hundreds of obscure points (at least 300+) and at least 300 internal contradictions in the Quran - see separate chapters in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran" - www.1000mistakes.com .

#############But this statement also have a serious implication: "- - - the direct, unambiguous character - - -" and "- - - its freedom from all obscurities - - -" mean that there are no hidden allegories, parables, metaphor, metonym, etc. in the Quran. This means that Islam's and Muslims' many claims that errors, etc. in the Quran mean something else - are allegories, etc. - are wrong.


009 18/1-2: “Praise be to Allah, Who hath sent to his servant (Muhammad*) the Book (the Quran*), and hath allowed therein no Crookedness: (He hath made it) strait (and Clear) - - -.” In plain words: The verses in the Quran are in straight and clear and not crooked or incorrect words – to be understood literally (where not something else is said strait and clear). See the comment to 3/7 and 11/1 just above.


010 18/2a: “(He (Allah*) hath made it) Straight (and Clear) - - -”. The tales “per se” mostly are plain and easy. But a book that full of mistaken facts and other mistakes, f.x. linguistic ones, (and perhaps religious ones, too - why should they be exceptions?) is neither straight nor clear.

####011 18/2b: “(He (Allah*) hath made it) Straight (and Clear) - - -". This is one of the verses you should remember each time a Muslim tries to explain away a clear mistake by "no, this is not literally meant - - -", which is one of the 3 most used last ditch defenses (the two others are: "You cannot understand a text in the Quran alone - you have to see the whole Surah (or the whole Quran)". And: "You cannot really understand the Quran unless you read it in Arab". Both of which are rubbish. (Well, there are 2 more: "You do not know the Quran/what you are talking about", and: "You just are an Israel lover/Muslim hater quoting what you have heard or read".) There are places where you have to know more than the actual verse and the nearest few ones to understand the meaning, but mostly the simple answer is: "If you are not able to see the essence in a meaning or something said, you should stay out of debates" - these Muslim claims simply are a means to make the opponent unsure, because few know the Quran well enough to see that mostly this claims are invalid. And as for reading in Arab to understand it: For one thing the Arab of Muhammad mainly was the language of primitive desert nomads even though it later is linguistically polished - there is no problems for rich modern languages like f.x. English to compete with it in vocabulary. (Also in Japan they had the same haughty self-centered meaning once upon a time: Primitive foreigners impossibly would be able to express what a highly refined language like their could do. They stopped claiming it after many enough had learnt foreign languages to see the nonsense in it. And that really was a refined cultural language, not something from primitive tribes, even though polished afterward.) Well, there always will be some words which are special for a language, and which need explanation, but that is it - and this goes for any language, and is nothing special for Arab. ####The remaining fact is that what one brain can think, another brain of the same quality and similar education can understand, at least with a little explanation. But the claim is difficult to leave for Muslims, because they need it as an "explanation" when they lack real arguments.

012 18/3: "- - - wherein (Paradise*) they (good Muslims*) shall remain forever". See 11/108c which indicates it may be it is not quite forever.

013 18/4b: "- - - those (also) who say, 'Allah hath begotten a son - - -'" = The Christians - the sentence refers to Jesus, whom the Bible tells is the son of God/Yahweh. (The word "father" is used for the relationship between Yahweh and Jesus at least 204 times in the Bible, and the word "son" at least 89 - included often by Jesus himself).

014 18/4d: "(It is wrong*) that Allah hath begotten a son”. Well, we are back to the old facts that Jesus according to the Bible - written on the background of thousands of witnesses/listeners and thus difficult to falsify - many times called God/Yahweh Father (Yahweh is called the father of Jesus at least 204 times in the Bible, and Jesus the son of Yahweh at least 89 times - many of those cases by Jesus himself, a very reliable person also according to the Quran), that humble humans - f.x. Muhammad - are unable to understand completely the ways and wishes of a god (may be Yahweh wanted a son for some reason), and that Islam has to deny that Jesus was the son of Yahweh, in order to make (or pretend?) Mohammad the greatest prophet. Besides: Where are Islam’s proofs? - in spite of Islam’s glorifying of blind belief - a psychologically wise slogan when all they have are doubtful and at least partly wrong texts from a doubtful, self proclaimed “prophet” of at least as doubtful character - it is naïve in the extreme to believe blindly in so serious matter as eternity. If your chosen religion is a made up one - which every blind believer in every religion believes just their religion is not - where do you end if there is a next life? - and what if there is a real religion that you have not found, because of your blindness? Perhaps all religions are made up and just is a result of an inner longing in some people for something absolute (science have found that many weak - and some stronger - souls have such a longing in their genes or psyche - one of the genes active here is the gene VMAT2, according to The American Institute of Cancer Research, who stumbled across it in their search for cancer genes), but in that case one at least does not have to make life as miserable for ones fellow men (and even more for the women) as Islam preaches - hate, dishonesty, suppression, rape, stealing, enslavement, and war.

#015 18/5a: “No knowledge have they (the Christians*) of such a thing (that Yahweh may have a son*)”. Wrong. There is a lot of information in the Bible. Now of course Muhammad, the Quran, and Islam all declare that the Bible has been falsified - they have to, as that was the only way for Muhammad to explain the differences between his “quoting” the Bible and quoting of religious legends, fairy tales, etc., and the Bible proper (it also is common among religious sects or religions to say that other sects or religions have misunderstood or falsified information), and so also between Islam and Christianity. But science clearly has shown that the Bible is not falsified - and Islam has shown it even clearer, by not finding one single proved falsification in some 44ooo relevant manuscripts from before 610 AD.

The fact that the Quran claims Jesus was a good Muslim, in case proves that OT cannot have been falsified until after the year 33 AD - the good Muslim Jesus had warned against the falsifications. And we know from history and from thousands of old manuscripts that no falsifications have been done later.

There also is the fact that if Jesus was the son of the god, nobody would believe that Muhammad was the greatest ever of prophets. The claim that Jesus was such a son therefore undermined Muhammad's platform of power. Muhammad's drive for reducing Jesus may have been influenced by Muhammad's strongly monotheistic ideas, but his own wish for and drive for power may have been as strong a reason.

016 18/5b: "It is a grievous thing (to say Jesus is son of Yahweh*) that issues from their (Christians'*) mouths as a saying". For one thing Muhammad could not accept Jesus was son of Yahweh, because then obviously Muhammad was not the greatest. Besides he never understood the constellation Yahweh/Jesus/Holy Spirit (though he may be right that the trinity dogma may be is not correct - it is man-mad and not from the Bible - - - but Muhammad believed it consisted of Yahweh/Jesus/Mary(!)), and he never understood that a prince only is a prince even if his father is a king - Jesus belonged to divine stock, but was and is not the god. Thus he found that to look at Jesus as divine, was polytheism, and polytheism he could not accept.

But it is provoking some thoughts that 19/19 admits that Jesus was holy, which Muhammad definitely was not, also according to the Quran - how can Muhammad then be the greatest prophet?. And that Jesus in 19/33 talks about his death and resurrection, whereas Islam claims he did not die, but was taken up to Heaven alive - one of them is wrong.

017 18/5c: “What they (the Christians*) say (about Jesus being the son of Yahweh*) is nothing but falsehood”. Tell that to all the witnesses who heard Jesus say so. There were so many listening to Jesus, that if a thing like this (Jesus calling Yahweh his father, and obviously in a traditional meaning - though perhaps a created, not a born son) was a lie, but was written in scripts meant for many to read, there had been serious protests and corrections. We do not say Jesus spoke the truth - even if he is accepted also by Islam to be an honest prophet. But we say it is highly unlikely that he did not say - many times - that Yahweh was his father and he himself the son of Yahweh. There simply were too many witnesses to what he said.

018 18/6a: "You (persons*) wouldst only, perchance, fret thyself to death, following after them (non-Muslims*), in grief, if they believe not in this Message (the Quran*)". Not if they happened to believe in a real god, and especially not if on top of this the Quran and Allah are made up - not to mention if Allah is from the dark forces.

019 18/9f: "- - - (the story about the seven sleepers*) were wonders among Our (Allah's*) Signs (normally "Quran-speak" for "proof") - - -". It really tells something about Muhammad and about the Quran, that an old and well known made up legend is a "wonder among Our Signs".

020 18/9-26: The sleepers in the cave - the even today well known religious fable from Ephesus, about the 7 youths who fled from emperor Decius (a real emperor reigning only 2 years around 250 AD) and went to sleep in a cave, and then woke up maximum 196 years later (the Quran says 300 or 309 years) under the more well known emperor Theodosius). Just read it - it normally even is better told than in the Quran. "The 7 sleepers" is a well known Christian and perhaps Greek fable - well known also in Arabia at the time of Muhammad. Some Muslims wants it to be inspired from an even older Jewish legend, but that in case does not help the "reliability" of the Quran when it tells this is a true story - which it is not.

This story is not from the Bible.

021 18/12b: "- - - test - - -". Once more: Why does a predestining, omniscient god need to test anyone?

022 18/13b: “We (Allah*) relate to thee (Muhammad/Muslims*) their (the 7 sleepers) story in truth: - - -”. As this is a well-known fairy tale, and as the Quran has so many other mistakes, carefully said: At best it is only partly the truth. But note that it is stressed that the story is the truth - not an allegory, not made up, but the truth.. A fairy tale = the claimed truth = irony - and quite a joke.

023 18/15a: "- - - why do they (non-Muslims*) not bring forward an authority clear (= proofs*) - - -". What is the logic of telling that no-one will believe in Allah even if he sent no real proofs, and then claiming proofs from all other religion? - the answer should be the same: Why should anyone believe in proofs from other gods if they do not believe in proofs from Allah? (Though the claim from Muhammad that nobody would believe if there were real miracles simply is not true, and Muhammad knew it was a lie - he was too intelligent and knew too much about people not to know this was a lie.) But it is a bit ironic that the Quran always demands proofs from everybody else, even though itself is unable to prove anything of any consequence at all - they only pretend that what they say and the Quran says are facts.

024 18/16a: "- - - your ("the 7 sleepers") Lord (here claimed to be Allah*) will shower his mercies on you and dispose of your affairs - - -". Would he be able to do so if the story about the 7 sleepers was not in reality a fairy tale?

025 18/17a: “Thou wouldst have seen the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their (the 7 sleepers‘*) Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left, while they lay in the open space in the midst of the Cave. Such are among the signs of Allah - - -”. Some sign; presumed sleeping men in a lightly revised fairy tale. (But the Quran have nearly no tale not known beforehand in Arabia - all are taken from older fairy tales, folk tales, fables, legends, apocryphal/made up) scriptures, the Bible, the Torah and a few from tales from countries further east, and then twisted a little to fit the Quran. It was not strange that skeptics told Muhammad and Muslims that they just told old tales.)

026 18/17c: "- - - he whom Allah guides, is rightly guided - - -". The only guidance Allah is claimed to have sent, is the Quran. With that many mistakes, contradictions, etc, it is no reliable guide, and this is made even more obvious by the fact that a book of such a quality is not from any god.

027 18/17e: "- - - he whom Allah leaves to stray - for him wilt thou find no protector to lead him to the Right Way". If the Quran is 100% correct, this may be right - - - if Allah exists. It is wrong if another god exists. It is irrelevant if no god exists.

028 18/18a: "- - - thou wouldst have certainly turned back in flight from them - - -". Why? There is no logical reason for that. Except if Muhammad needed a reason why they could lay in peace so long (in the original story the entrance was walled up and closed and the men left to starve, but not so in the Quran).

029 18/20: "- - - force you (claimed Muslims*) to return to their (Pagan*) cult - - -". But this should not be too terrible? - a Muslim forced to do such a thing, is not sinning. Besides: If Allah is made up god - and he only exists in a book where no god was involved - they just were going from one pagan god to another.

030 18/21a: "- - - that they (people*) might know that the promise of Allah is true - - -", Some irony: A well known legend - a made up religious fairy tale, involving another god (Yahweh), is the proof for that Allah's promise is true.

031 18/21h: (A31 – in 2008 edition A30): “Let us (people*) surely build a place of worship over them (“the 7 sleepers”*)”. Or is the more usual translation correct? – that they should build a wall to close the cave. Who knows? - the language in the Quran is not clear, like so often.(In the original legend they were walled in and left to starve - how big chance would they have for not being molested by animals - or humans - if they were lying in an open cave for 300 or 309 years like the Quran claims?)

032 18/22a: “(Some) say they ("the 7 sleepers") were three, the dog being the fourth among them, (others) say they were five, the dog being the sixth - doubtfully guessing the unknown; (yet others) say they were seven, the dog being the eight”. If Muhammad got this story from a real story via a god, not from a well known fairy tale, the god had known their number (well, a god had known the number that was told in a legend - and that it just was a legend), but Muhammad obviously not. Also see 18/13 just above.

033 18/25: “So they (the 7 sleepers) stayed in their Cave three hundred years, and (some) add nine more”. See 18/13 and 18/22. (If one relies on some historical facts mentioned in the main variety of the legend, they slept some 195 years). As for the claim 300 or 309 years, it may or may not mean something that 300 natural years = 309 Muslim years (the Muslim year is an artificial construction some 11 days shorter than a natural year).

034 18/26c: "- - - With Him (Allah*) is (the knowledge of) the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth: how clearly He sees, how finely he hears (everything) - - -". See 2/233h above.

035 18/26e: "- - - how clearly He (Allah*) sees, how finely He hears (everything)! (If he lives where Muhammad claimed - above the 7. heaven, he can hear nothing, as the air is too rarefied to transmit sound waves - two facts any god had known, but not Muhammad.

036 18/27b: "- - - revealed to thee (Muhammad*) - - -". Revealed to Muhammad - by whom in case? Told to Muhammad? Made by Muhammad? A combination of these? These are the alternatives. What all the errors, contradictions, etc. prove, is that it is not from a god (the Quran even says this itself: "If it was (is*) not from a god, there would be contradictions- - -" - which there are aplenty.)

037 18/27d: “- - - the Book (the Quran*) of thy Lord (Allah*): - - - “. Is it really the words of a god? - with that many mistakes? Plainly and squarely no.

##038 18/27e: “- - - the Book (the Quran) of thy Lord (Allah*): none can change His Words (the Quran*) - - -”. Wrong. Reality can change the words when the words are wrong. And many verses were abrogated (“We (Allah*) sends another as good or better”) - a few even by Hadiths - not to mention that the whole religion was changed in and after 622 AD from peaceful to war and hate and stealing and rape. Islam cannot admit this change, because it may expose mistakes in the religion, as Allah had to change it, but people are able to read, and it is easy to find it in the Quran.

There also is the fact that there exists no less than 14 - fourteen - canonized versions of the Quran + some accepted, but not canonized ones. Only 2 are in widespread daily use today (Warsh and Hafs) + 4 a little used, but go to a central university for Islamic studies, and you will find them. There is not a little difference between them.

039 18/27g: "- - - and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him (Allah*)". This will depend entirely on how truthful the Quran is. If it is telling the full truth and only the truth, and if Allah really exists, this may be correct. If not, there either is no god anywhere - everything is made up. Or there is/are one or more gods somewhere - and we f.x. here are back to the fact that Muhammad accepted the existence of Yahweh - though he tried to make one god out his own Allah and the Jewish and Christian Yahweh. The situation grows extra interesting if Allah does not exist - which seems very likely, as there never was any proof for him, as he suddenly appeared 1400 years ago (well, he existed as a Pagan god some time before that) - a god ought to have a longer life - and as there also never was any kind of manifestation of him or any other kinds of proofs, only words and claims and on top of that, all those loose claims and words without exception came from a man believing in the use of lies (al-Taqiyya, Kitman, etc.) and broken promises included broken oaths, deceptions ("war is deceit"), and a man who used his religion (like many false prophets) to gain power and women. Not to mention that all the mistakes, etc. in the book tell a lot.

040 18/29b: “Say (Muhammad*), ’The Truth is from your Lord (Allah*)”. No omniscient god is behind a book of a quality like the Quran. That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. Actually all the mistakes and worse prove that things are seriously wrong.

041 18/29e: “- - - let him who will, believe, and him who will, reject (Islam*) - - -.” Muhammad changed his mind as his power grew after 622 AD: This verse contradicts (and abrogates) at least these verses (here are 88 out of the 124 Muslim scholars say are abrogated by 9/5): 2/109, 2/190, 2/256, 2/272, 3/20, 4/62, 4/81, 4/90, 5/3, 5/28, 5/48, 5/99, 6/60, 6/66, 6/70, 6/104, 6/107, 6/112, 6/158, 7/87, 7/188, 7/193, 7/199, 8/61, 9/68, 10/41, 10/99, 10/102, 10/108, 11/12, 11/121, 13/40, 15/3, 15/94, 16/35, 16/82, 16/125, 16/126, 16/127, 17/54, 18/29, 18/56, 19/39, 20/130, 21/107, 21/112, 22/49, 22/68, 23/54, 23/96, 24/54, 26/216, 27/92, 28/50, 28/55, 29/18, 29/46, 32/30, 34/25, 34/28, 35/23, 35/24a, 36/17, 39/41, 41/34, 42/6, 42/15, 42/48, 43/83, 43/89, 44/59, 45/14, 46/9, 46/135a, 46/135b, 46/135b, 50/39, 50/45, 51/50-51, 51/54, 52/45, 52/47, 53/29, 67/26, 73/10, 73/11, 79/45, 86/17, 88/22, 109/6. They are all quoted under 9/5. (At least 89 contradictions).

042 18/30e: "We (Allah) shall not suffer to perish the reward of any who do a (single) righteous deed". Note that in the Quran it is mainly the balance of good and bad deeds which will decide if you will end in Paradise of Hell. In NT the love of Yahweh towards an honestly repenting and regretting sinner counts heavily. (But then Muhammad needed warriors, and waging war for Muhammad/Allah was and is the best of deeds in the Quran.) Also here it is clear that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

043 18/30g: This verse is one of the many promising Paradise to good and obedient Muslims. It is valid if Allah exists, if the Quran is from him, and if the Quran is fully truthful concerning this point.

###044 18/31a: A partly description of the Islamic Paradise. As you see it is like a poor and naive person’s vision of an earthly king's luxurious life, with good food and drinks and lots of women. Very different from the Bible's Paradise, where people become "like angels" (Luke 20/3), not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). Not to mention ""When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven" (Mark12/25). Definitely not the same gods - their paradises are extremely different. Yet another proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same one - the differences are so extreme between the two paradises, that this proof must be set to be 200% sure.

045 18/31b: "For them (Muslims*) will be the Gardens of Eternity - - -". If the Quran tells the full and only truth, and if Allah exists and is not from the dark forces (if he exists and is behind the Quran, he is no god - too much is wrong in that book. Also remember that the big differences between the Bible's Paradise and the Quran's are one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, their Paradises had been one and the same one.

046 18/31e: “- - - they (the Muslims in Paradise*) will be adorned therein with bracelets of gold - - -“. Very nice – except that:

22/23: “- - - they (the Muslims in Paradise*) shall be adorned with bracelets of gold and pearls - - -.”

76/21: “- - - they (the Muslims in Paradise*) will be adorned with bracelets of silver - - -.”

A minor, but clear contradiction. 1 or 2 depending on how strictly you judge.

047 18/31f: "How good a recompense (Paradise*)". Please read everything you find about the paradise in the Quran: You find riches, water, good clothes, good food and drink, good house, nice place and climate, plenty of sex - at least for the men, laziness. You find nothing to do, nothing which happens, no mental activity. A very boring paradise in the long run - but likely the maximum an uneducated, primitive warrior in a hot desert country were able to visualizes - and may be those were the primitive dreams which formed this Paradise. But formed by whom? - any omniscient god could have made better than this.

048 18/32-42: Another story explaining that you should take it easy even if some have a better life than you. For one thing riches of this world may be lost, and for another thing may be you end in Paradise, whereas they do not. The logic is impeccable - if the Quran speaks the truth.

But it is too obviously a propaganda story, with a too obvious point - the stupid non-Muslim versus the good Muslim. Ok for primitive or naive souls who needs things over-explained. But not a well told story - we react negatively to tales for adults told for mental level around 7 years. And there is much in the Quran told for this mental level or a little higher - and oversimplified.

#049 18/37b: “- - - Him (Allah*) Who created you out of dust, then out of a sperm-drop - - -”. Just half true. Humans are not made out of a drop of sperm - though the Quran says so repeatedly. Humans - and animals - are made out of sperm + an egg cell. Arabs knew a lot about fetuses (from slaughtering of animals), but an egg cell is so small, that one does not notice it - hardly possible to see in all the blood and intestines and gore, etc. - so the Quran tells the semen is “planted” like a seed in a female and grows to a being. Muhammad did not know better as that was an accepted theory at his time – Greek and/or Persian “knowledge” originally - but an omniscient god had known - - - so who made the Quran?

050 18/38: "- - - He is Allah, my (a Muslim's*) Lord, and none shall I associate with my Lord". Impossible to associate anything with him in reality if he does not exist. And as the rumors about his existence only - only - is based on a book full of errors, dictated by a man with very doubtful moral, maybe he really does not exist. In that case - or if he belongs to the dark forces - it might be an idea to look around if there is a real god - or gods - somewhere.

051 18/39a: "Allah's will (be done)!" This is a very often repeated expression in Islam. It refers to the "fact" that Allah decides everything, and you should never forget that. It also may anger Allah if you do not say it, as this may indicate disrespect for his right to decide and for his power. This way of thinking at least partly is behind the fatalism you sometimes see among Muslims. On the other hand: If everything is predestined in accordance with a Plan which nothing can change, like the Quran claims, how can then the lack of these words change Allah's Plan?

052 18/39b: "There is no power but with Allah". This may be correct if Allah exists - no proof or unmistakable indication for this has ever been seen - if he is behind the Quran, and if the Quran in addition is truthful. Besides: If there are other gods - f.x. Yahweh - it is not true. (Very much is wrong in the Quran - perhaps also this claim).

053 18/42a: "Woe to me (non-Muslim*)! Would that I had never ascribed partners to my Lord (even for a non-Muslim here is indicated Allah*) and Cherisher!" As said other places: The Quran often is too oversimplified and over-obvious to be good literature. Much fits a mental age of 7 - 10 years (NB: We here talk about the literature quality of the book, not the religious aspect, or the linguistic side, etc.)

054 18/42b: "- - - partners to (Allah*) - - -". See 25/18a below.

055 18/44a: "- - - the (only) protection comes from Allah - - -". See 18/39b above.

056 18/44e: "He (Allah*) is the best to reward, and the best to give success". See 18/39b above.

057 18/45a: "- - - the rain which We (Allah*) send down from the skies - - -". See 11/7a above.

058 18/45b: "But soon it (vegetation*) becomes dry stubble, which the winds do scatter". Not in wet countries. Judging from the Quran, which is claimed to be a copy of the "Mother Book" in Heaven, Allah mainly is a god for the desert and has forgotten the rest of the world in his "Mother Book".

059 18/46b: "- - - but the things that endure, Good Deeds, are the best in the sight of thy (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". And as the best of all deeds were to go on raids or to war for riches, captives/extortion and power for Muhammad/Allah, may be Muhammad also liked these words?

But how could Allah reward you for good deeds, without changing his Plan concerning you?

060 18/47b: "- - - We (Allah*) shall gather them (people*), all together (at the Day of Doom*) - - -". If Allah exists and is a major god, and if the Quran in addition tells the truth about this. It actually is one of the many loose claims any believer can make on behalf of his/her god(s) as long as no proof is necessary.

061 18/48c: "- - - ye (non-Muslims'*) thought We (Allah*) shall not fulfill the appointment made to you (non-Muslims) - - -". No such an appointment is ever documented - there are claims, but that is all. But this is the start of a claimed punishment - see 3/77b above.

062 18/49a: "- - - the Book (of Deeds) - - -". The Quran tells that angels surround you and write down everything you do of good and bad in a book - the Book of Deeds. BUT WHY DOES A PREDESTINING, OMNISCIENT GOD NEED A BOOK?

Why? - if Allah is omniscient he knows everything without cumbersome books?

And why write down in books if necessary? - any god would know easier and more efficient methods - though Muhammad not.

063 18/49e: "- - - injustice". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

##064 18/50a: "- - - We (Allah*) said to the angels. 'Bow down to Adam.'". This is not from the Bible, and it is one of the more than 100% roofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. In Allah's paradise, man clearly has measurably higher standing than angels. In Yahweh's the lines are not as clearly told, but it is very clear that angels are of higher standing than man. Add this to man's life in the paradises: Allah's offer resurrection in body, top earthly luxury and plenty of women - and no mental activity. In Yahweh's the resurrected souls becomes like angels. There are nearly no similarities at all, and the differences are formidable. Not the same paradise - not the same gods.

065 18/50b: (A18/53 – omitted in 2008): “Behold, We (Allah*) said to the angels,’ Bow down to Adam’: they bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns - - -.” But here is a clear mistake – or more likely; A. Yusuf Ali’s religion and al-Taqiyya may have suppressed his honesty: The original Arab text here do not say he was a jinn: It says something like (translated from Swedish): “He (Iblis*) belonged to the multitude of invisible beings” - and also angels are invisible. The text here honestly and clearly indicates that he was an angel before he became the Devil - "We said to the angels" are words clearly including Iblis. On the other hand the Quran other places tells he was made from fire, which in case means he according to this book in reality was a jinn. This is one more place where the Muslim scholars agree that the text in the Quran is wrong (though they never say this in clear words) as it here clearly is indicated that Iblis was an angel.

##066 18/51c: "- - - nor is it for Me (Allah*) to take as helpers such as lead (men) astray!" All the same many Muslim scholars think Iblis/the Devil is working for Allah, because Iblis could not - and cannot - run his Hell without the permission of Allah, and without being part of the omnipotent Allah's predestined Plan. This in case tells a lot about how good and benevolent Allah is.

067 18/52c: "- - - they (false gods*) will not listen to them (people*) - - -", The question is if Allah belongs to those "gods" - he has not unmistakably given one single answer since he was introduced to mankind 1400 years ago, and neither before (if he had, be sure Islam had told you and everybody else about it!)

068 18/52d; "- - - We (Allah*) shall make for them (non-Muslims*) a place for common perdition". Is Allah also the real boss in Hell? See 18/39b and 3/77b above.

069 18/53c: "- - - the Sinful shall see the Fire - - -". = They shall end in Hell. A never proved claim. See 3/77b above.

#070 18/53d: "- - - no means will they (the sinful*) find to turn away therefrom (Hell*)". As Yahweh and Allah has different definitions on what is sinful (one of the proofs for that they are different gods) - on some points very different - may be at least some of believers of Yahweh will not end in Hell all the same?

071 18/54: "- - - but man is, in most things, contentious". Or may be that at least some of them saw something had to be very wrong?

072 18/55a: "And what is there to keep back men from believing, now that guidance (the Quran*) has come to them?." Among other the fact that there are so much which is wrong in the Quran that it is clear it is not from a god. Also see 18/55b just below.

073 18/55e: "- - - praying for forgiveness from their Lord (Allah*) - - -". There only are two who can forgive; the victim and a god. Unless Allah is a real god, he cannot forgive. There are too many indications for that he is an invented god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

074 18/56e: “- - - in order therewith to weaken the truth (the teachings of Muhammad/the Quran*), - - -”. To repeat the reality: With so many mistakes in the Quran, it can maximum be partly true.

075 18/57a: "And who doth more wrong than one who is reminded of the Signs of his Lord (Allah*) but turns away from them - - -". As there never existed any unmistakable signs for Allah (see f.x. 2/39b above), this has little relevance. This may mean Muslims leaving Islam - few sins are greater according to Islam, and at times and places there have been and are harsh punishment for this - official and/or private.

076 18/59a: "- - - the populations We (Allah*) destroyed - - -". Allah was and is(?) a bloody god, far worse than Yahweh in OT before the new covenant, not to mention compared to the new covenant in NT. Definitely not the same god.

077 18/59c: "- - - appointed time - - -". = Predestination. This is one more 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Yahweh can decide that things are going to happen, and make it happen. But predestination like Allah uses 100% according to the Quran, does not at all exist.

078 18/60-82: A story about Moses you do not find in the Bible, (contradiction to the Bible). As the Bible is the only possible source for information about Moses (as it is clear the Quran with all its mistakes is not from a god), one can speculate on from where this story is.

##079 18/61a: "- - - their (Moses' and his attendant's*) Fish, which took its course through the sea (straight) as in a tunnel". Here Yusuf Ali has used a rather "free" translation, perhaps to avoid some unbelievable text. The correct Arab text is (translated from Swedish (A18/69 - the English 2008 edition has omitted most of it): "(the fish) found its way to the sea by digging (burrowing) its way to it". Some fish! - and the "translations" tells something about how reliable some Islamic texts are when the Quran is difficult to believe.

080 18/63d: "- - - none but Satan made me (Moses' servant*) forget - - -". To make somebody forget such an unlikely experience - a dead fish digging its way to the sea (according to the original text) and disappear - would take at least one Satan.

081 18/64b: "Moses said: 'That is what we were seeking after,". The story in verses 18/60-65 does not give much meaning in the Quran, but according to tradition Moses should meet a wise man at an unknown place, and the disappearance of the fish should be the mark for that they now were at the right place.

082 18/65a: "- - - one of Our (Allah's*) servants - - -". This man is not named in the Quran, but according to Muslim tradition his name was al-Khidr (al-Khidr means "the green one"). He is a wise man from old Arab folk tales. Why did a god have to reuse old folklore and fairy tales?

##083 18/80a: Moses and a wise man who in Islam (not in the Quran) is named al-Kadir or Al-Khidr ("the green one") in a known legend, retold like a true story in the Quran, are on a long walk. They meet a young man whom the wise man without being provoked slays (18/74). Later he explains that the reason was that “we feared that he would grieve” his good Muslim parents. If that is enough to kill their son, it is no doubt that Muslims – his parents – were much better than non-Muslims, and perhaps that apostates – at least bad ones, deserve to be killed? No matter: That it is better to kill even their children than to perhaps - perhaps - meet problems, tells much about ethic and moral in Islam. And does it tell something about Muhammad and the Quran that they use legends for true stories in the "holy" book?

084 18/81a: "So we (al-Khidr*) desired that their Lord (Allah*) would give them (a claimed Muslim couple at the time of Moses = 2000 years before Muhammad*) a (better son*) - - -". The parent's affection for their son and the son's wish to live was of no interest.

###085 18/83c: "They ask thee (Muhammad*) concerning Dhu'l-Quarnayn." Dhu'l-Quarnayn was an Arab name for Alexander the Great (!!) (he lived around 340 BC)

Alexander the Great is a man one does not expect to find as a hero in a “holy book”. But in the Quran you find him – mainly in surah 18.

The book uses an Arab name for him: Dhu’l Quarnayn – "the two-horned one" (horn was a symbol for power). As things obviously are wrong here, some Muslims deny that Dhu'l Quarnayn = Alexander the Great, but it is well known in history that this was a name used for Alexander in Arabia. In addition there are facts like the description made by the well known Muslim scholar Ibn Hisham (around 900 AD) in his comments to Ibn Ishaq’s “The Life of Muhammad”: “Alexander was a Greek and he founded Alexandria”. Alexander really was from Macedonia, but he also was king of Greece, and it is very elementary knowledge that he founded Alexandria (in Egypt) – and gave it his name.

All the same you will find Muslims who vehemently oppose this fact, because it makes an extremely unbelievable story even worse: Every educated person know that here something is horribly – not to say laughably – wrong. Alexander was not involved in stupidities like this, and he definitely was no Muslim, but a polytheist. Some Muslims even try to use the mistake the book makes by telling he is a good Muslim, as a proof for that Dhu’l Quarnayn cannot be Alexander, because today we as said know he was a polytheist. The trouble is that Muhammad’s uneducated follower in 622 AD when this surah is dated, did not have the faintest idea about that – Allah (or at least Muhammad) told it, and then it had to be true! But there is no doubt: Dhu’l Quarnayn is Alexander the Great. In some translations of the Quran – f.x. Dawood – you even will find they simply write Alexander the Great instead of Dhu’l Quarnayn in the Quran.

086 18/85a: "One (such) way he (Alexander the Great*) followed - - -". History knows the travels of Alexander quite well, and this claimed travel is a made up one. Alexander never came further west than Macedonia in the north and Egypt in the south.

###087 18/86e: “- - - he (Alexander the Great*) found it (the sun*) set in a spring of murky water”. This statement - or fairy tale - deserves a series of exclamation marks - anyone who has finished primary school, knows among other these facts:

The sun is too big to settle anywhere on Earth.

Not to mention that it is far too big to settle in a pond - murky or not.

And that if the sun ever came within a million kilometers or miles from the Earth, there would be no spring or pond any more.

Muhammad did not know the size or temperature of the sun – (he even seems to believe it was a flat disk that could be folded up) - but an omniscient god had known. Who made the Quran?

Muslims try to “explain” it by f.x. telling that what he saw was the reflex of a sunset in a spring. Think of the great warrior king Alexander - riding west and west and west with his men, day after day and week after week to find the place where the sun set. Then one day he hits upon one more pond - even one with dirty water. When he stands so that that dirty spring is in the straight line between him and the sun, he sees the red and yellow mirror image of the sunset in the muddy surface - a sight he has seen time and again and again before on the surfaces of ponds and springs and rivers and lakes and seas - and he hails his men: “Now we have reached our goal!! Here is where the sun sets!! Now let’s go back and tell about our great discovery“.

Believe it whoever wants.

But whoever believes it needs to see a professor of history - or a psychologist to mend his brain. (Also see 18/86a and 18/86b above.)

Besides: We know from history that Alexander never went west.

Some Muslims also as said try to explain that Dhu'l-Quarnayn was not Alexander the Great. For this see 18/83 in the "complete" list of mistakes.

088 18/89a: "Then followed he (Alexander the Great*) (another) way". Alexander came quite far east - as everyone who has seen the great film about him, knows. But he never came to the place where the sun rises - see 18/90 just below. Anyone who knows history or geography may have a good laugh.

089 18/90a: “- - - he (Alexander*) came to the rising of the sun - - -”. It is not physically possible to come to the place where the sun rises from the Earth like the Quran indicates, because it does not rise from the Earth - and if it had, both Alexander and the Earth had been rather fried. Also see 18/86a-d above. Any god had known this - then who made the Quran?

090 18/93b: "Until, when he (Alexander the Great*) reached (a tract) between two mountains - - -". Nobody knows where this tract was. And worse: If it had existed, closing in the two big tribes Gog and Magog until the Day of Doom like the Quran and the Hadiths tell, it had been found by now - we know every square yard of the globe. This story is a made up one unless Islam proves the opposite.

#091 18/94c: “- - - Gog and Magog - - -”. These are from the Bible - and f.x. Muhammad Azad uses this as an alibi for the names in the Quran (A18/95), without mentioning anything more. But in 1. Mos. 10/2 and 1. Chr. 1/5 the name Magog just is the name of a grandson of Noah, and not given as a founder of a tribe. The other name, Gog, is not mentioned there. More relevant are the tales about Gog and Magog in Ezekiel, chapters 38 and 39: King Gog of Magog - or more exactly: "- - - Gog, chief prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal (tribes, towns or areas*)(Ez.38/3) - - - of the land of Magog (Ez.38/2 - also see Ez. 39/11). And they will all be dead and buried (Ez.39/11) and thus also cannot be the people we meet in the Quran. Finally Gog and Magog are mentioned in Rev.20/8, but there the names are used for all humans: "- - - the nations in all four corners of the world - - -". None of these in reality 3 cases corresponds to Gog and Magog in the Quran even though the names clearly are taken from the Bible - 2 wild tribes according to the Quran. We may add that many Muslim scholars believe Gog and Magog represent the Tatars and the Mongols who fought terrible wars against Muslims. But they lived some 1500 years after Alexander, and cannot be the ones he is claimed to have met (this in addition to that should not be let loose until just before the Day of Doom). When Islam met mighty and bloody opponents, the opponents were terrible and devilish and Gog- and Magog-like. When Muslims did the same and worse against others - their history is horrible at times - they were heroes. Strange don't you think so?

092 18/95-97: A people that lived in a valley were terrorized by two other people - Gog and Magog. They (the locals*) asked Alexander the Great for help. He said: “I will erect a strong barrier between you and them - - -". And he built a huge wall of iron - which in real life had been to no avail after a short time. F.x. the only method which perhaps existed for joining the blocks together, was forge welding, and this was impossible to use on a job like this. Without welding it f.x. would be easy simply to kick down the blocks - - - and sell them for good money - as said iron was rather expensive.

093 18/96a: "Bring me blocks of iron”. And he (Alexander the Great*) let build a wall of iron blocks produced by the locals straight across the valley, strong enough to be impossible for the people of Gog and Magog to get through, and tall enough to be impossible to get over even with the longest ladders.

But nowhere on the entire earth there existed that much iron blocks around 330 BC – blocks of iron the locals were asked to bring him. (Note here that 18/93 tells the wall had to cross “(a tract) between two mountains” under which mountains a people lived – the wall had to have some length to cross “a tract” big enough for a whole people to live – it took a lot of iron blocks.) Also remember that iron was expensive at that time – it took a lot of work to make it. The locals had to be very rich to have that much iron. (Relevant here - even though it is some 600 years older - may be what is said about the enormously rich king Solomon in 1. Chr. 22/3: "He provided a large amount of iron to make nails for the doors of the gateways (of the Temple in Jerusalem*) and for the fittings". For a king so rich that he reckoned his gold in tons, this was "a large amount". Alexander asked for at least some tens of thousand times as much). Contradicts historical reality (and besides the story is naïve and ridiculous – there exists no valley big enough to feed two big tribes with only one possible entrance. And even if impossible to get over, then it was possible to dig under – fire and water could get you through even rocks if you had time.)

Another point: How did you build a tall wall from iron blocks at a time when welding was not yet discovered?

See also 18/86a – 18/86b – 18/86c above.

##094 18/96c: “Then, when he (Alexander the Great) had made it (red) as fire, he said: ’Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead” (Dawood says bronze).

We do not think there any one place on Earth was enough lead - or bronze - for such a job.

Even if they did, metal was expensive - the locals had to be very rich to have so much lead/bronze. And this goes even more so for enough iron blocks to build a huge wall.

It would not be technically possible to heat such a big and long wall to “make it (red) as fire” ca. 340 BC - it is hardly possible today - for pouring the lead/bronze over it.

A fairy tale.

To include the rest of the story about Gog and Magog: Thy will be unable to get out of their big valley – it has to be big to feed that many until they are released as a warning about the approaching of the Final Day. But even today nobody has found their valley – not even on a satellite photo. It must be a well hidden big valley.

095 18/97: "Thus they (Gog and Magog*) were made powerless to scale it (the wall*) or dig through it". That wall had to be mighty high and quite thick = much iron/too expensive. At best iron was expensive around 340 BC. Besides it still is ridiculous: They could dig under - by means of fire + water they could dig through even rock given some time. But the real screamer is that there exists not one single valley on this whole world big enough to feed two big peoples (that they were many is told another place in the Quran - "swarming over all hills"), with only one possible way out - they simply could walk around the wall. It takes a lot of naivety or strong wish to believe in stories like this.

Another screamer: Gog and Magog should stay in that valley till the Day of Doom. Today every square yard of the globe is mapped, but no such valley and no Gog or Magog exists.

096 18/98d: "- - - the promise of my (Alexander's*) Lord (here wrongly indicated Allah - Alexander was a polytheist*) is true". Never since long before Alexander the Great and till today there has ben one single proved case of a promise from Allah which has come true. Islam will have to prove this claim to be believed.

097 18/99b: "- - - We (Allah*) shall collect them all (humans*) together". If Allah exists and is a major god, and is ruling the world according to what the Quran tells.

098 18/105c: "- - - the fact - - -". See 2/2b. ####Words like "fact" needs to be checked extra thoroughly, as Muhammad and other Muslims have a strong tendency to call unproved claims or statement "facts".

099 18/105e: "- - - nor shall We (Allah*) on the Day of Judgment, give them (the work/deeds of non-Muslims*) any weight". But perhaps f.x. Yahweh will - at least some of the non-Muslims (though may be few of the Muslims - many are too far from "do unto others like you want others do unto you").

100 18/106a: "That is their (non-Muslims*) reward, Hell, because they rejected faith - - -". Often claimed, never proved. See 3/77b above, and also 18/106a just above.

101 18/106e: "- - - My (Allah's*) Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - -". See 9/88b above and 63/5a below.

102 18/108b: "- - - no change will they (Muslims in Paradise*) wish from them (the Gardens of Paradise*)". Well, the Paradise like it is described in the Quran, is a good, but very boring place - a place where nothing happens, nothing to do, and with no mental activity. You have to be doped down - or very primitive and/or simpleminded - not to wish for something more. Which any god had known.

Please read everything you find about the paradise in the Quran: You find riches, good clothes, good food and drink, good house, nice place and climate, plenty of sex - at least for the men, laziness. You find nothing to do, nothing which happens, no mental activity. A very boring paradise in the long run - but likely the maximum an uneducated, primitive warrior in a hot desert country was able to visualizes - and may be those were the primitive dreams which formed this Paradise. But formed by whom? - any omniscient god could have made better than this.

"How beautiful a coach to recline on!" No comments. Except that the many and fundamental differences between the Bible's Paradise and the one of the Quran are one of the many strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, their Paradises had been one and he same.

103 18/109b: One more of Muhammad's big, but never documented claims. Cheap words or reality?

#104 18/110b: "I (Muhammad*) am but a man like yourselves (Muslims*) - - -". And among other things "I" thus am unable to perform miracles.

Also compare to 19/19 where it is confirmed that Jesus was holy. How is it then possible to claim that Muhammad was a greater prophet than Jesus?

105 18/110c: "- - - the inspiration (the Quran*) has come to me (Muhammad*) - - -". That is just the central question: It was not inspiration from a god - too much is wrong in the Quran. Was it inspiration from dark forces, like the ethical and moral codes may indicate? Was it "inspiration" from an illness - f.x. TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) like modern medical science suspects? Or was it all made up by one or more cold brains? Or a mix of two or three of these?

106 18/110g: "- - - in the worship of (Allah*), admit no one as (Allah's*) Partner". Believers in other religions do not add gods to Allah - a claim Muhammad liked, to make his own god more central (though in Arabia the old ones had gods in addition to al-Lah/Allah - the old Pagan god Muhammad transformed and only named Allah, so with a little twisting he could claim so there - not to Muhammad's claimed monotheistic god). They simply did not and do not believe Allah exists, and instead believe in another or other god(s) - f.x. Yahweh.

107 18/110h: "- - - in the worship of (Allah*), admit no one as (Allah's*) Partner". But before you dismiss other god(s), check if Allah exists, if he in case had anything to do with the Quran - nothing of which is in any way proved - and if the Quran is true (at least it is from no god with all those mistakes). Also see 25/18a below.

####(If you look into all facts concerning the Quran and Muhammad's teaching + relevant facts from reality, only one conclusion is possible to make about Allah: It is extremely unlikely he exists - and if he after all do exist, it is extremely unlikely he is correctly described among all the mistakes (and Muhammad's wish for power) in the Quran.

3637 + 107 = 3744 remarks.


Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".

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