1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 17


SURAH 17: Al-Izra' (The Night Journey)

(Mecca, 621 AD or later)


001  "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 17/1a: "Glory to (Allah*) - - -". Please red 1/1a above and see if he deserves it.

003 17/1b: "- - - His (Allah*) Servant - - -". Muhammad. But whose servant was Muhammad if the Quran and possibly Allah are made up ones?

004 17/1e: “(Allah took Muhammad*) from the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque - - -” = To the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem according to Islam – but they still disagree on whether it was a real trip or a dream. A third possibility is that the claimed "Night Journey" is a story made up by Muslims later.

Verse 17/1 is all which is told in the Quran about the claimed "Night Journey". If some of what other Islamic literature later has written, really had been true, it had been mentioned in the Quran. If anyone is able to believe that Muhammad had flown to Jerusalem, climbed a ladder many miles and kilometers up to 7 heavens which are not situated even near Earth, chatted with Allah, and then gone back the same way, and all this without Muhammad mentioning it or his followers screaming about it, he or she of course is permitted to do so, but it will tell a lot about that person. Islam's version of the claimed Night Ride simply is a made up legend (or actually two - the ride to Jerusalem, and the climb to Heaven, no such climb is even mentioned in the Quran), unless Islam brings proofs - but proofs - for it.

#####In never mentioned Islamic literature there is a short story about Muhammad one night going from a town with a mosque 9 miles/15 km from Mecca, al-Jirana, and up to the Kabah mosque and then back. This trip may be the real background for verse 17/1.

We may also mention that the Temple was not built like a mosque, but was a Phoenician style temple. There are many and big differences between such a temple and mosques. (And not least: As mentioned the temple of Jerusalem was destroyed centuries before Muhammad (in 70 AD).) Why, if Allah predestines everything, and also the building - and destruction - of holy(?) buildings naturally, why then did he not know that the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, if Islam's tale had been true?

The likely history behind the claimed Night Journey, is that Muhammad mentioned the successful journey he made one night from al-Jirana to the Kabah and back, in this verse, and then later Muslims who did not know what the verse was about, made up legends around this mystic verse about the great experiences of their great Messenger. Remember here that it took some 250 years before the Hadiths were collected, and thus there was plenty of time to make up legends. Also remember that when the collectors finally started to collect the Hadiths, they judged literally more than 95% of them to be made up legends, and the ones they accepted were not accepted because the collectors had checked if they were true, but because they had chains of narrators which could be true. A legend like this was told in many versions - so many that it would be unlikely not one of the versions had a claimed such chain which could be true - and voila! the collector had a "true" Hadith. And the Muslims believed in it.

This surah may be from as early as 621 AD. In all the years up to he died in 632 AD, Muhammad never mentioned this clear proof - if it had been true - for his connection to his claimed god and for the existence of that god, in spite of dire need for such proof. Not mentioned even once in any surah. (The claimed story about his long Night Journey only is mentioned in Hadiths.)

Believe in this Hadith story if you are able to.

005 17/1i: "- - - in order that We (Allah*) might show him (Muhammad*) - - -". Only possible if Allah exists - though possible if he exists even if he is no god, as long as he has supernatural powers (included if he is from the dark forces).

006 17/2a: “We (Allah*) gave Moses the Book (the Quran or similar to the Quran = the "not falsified" Books of Moses, is what is indicated - claimed by Islam), - - -”. According to all known information and to science this is wrong. God /Yahweh gave him (according to the Bible) the 10 commandments only + he told him the law (later a part of the Torah) which he himself wrote down. The Books of Moses in reality are several hundred years younger according to science. Plus: Nothing similar to the Quran is known anywhere in the world until after 610 AD = nearly 2ooo years after Moses.

007 17/2e: "Take no other than Me (Allah*) as Disposer of (your (Moses*)) affairs". The unavoidable fact: Allah can be the disposer of nobody's affairs if he does not exist (and if he exist and is from the dark powers - he is not a god if he is behind the Quran with all its mistakes - he may be quite a special disposer). Another fact is that according to the Bible Moses' god was Yahweh, not Allah.

008 17/3e: "Verily he (Noah*) was a devotee most grateful". He had to be - he lost one of his 3 sons and did not blame Allah. (Not so in the Bible where all his 3 sons were in the Ark - contradiction. And as it is not from the Bible, and as the Quran is not from a god - too much is wrong - from where did Muhammad get this piece of information?)

009 17/4b: “- - - (and twice they (the Jews*) should be punished)!” The Jews have been “punished” at least twice during history – does that mean they are in reality are safe now, except for minor episodes?

010 17/6a: "Then We (Allah*) grant you the Return as against them - - -". This may refer to the return permitted by the Persian king Cyrus (who captured Babylon) after 70 years in Babylon (Ezra 1/2-3). Then in case both warnings were before the return, but it would not be the first time Muhammad/the Quran was wrong on history.


Some Muslims claim Ezra falsified OT, but in addition to other facts:



In addition there is the problem: How in case make Jews and Christians agree on what new texts to use when they falsified (parts of) the Quran into OT??? And how to make ALL Jews spread over large parts of the world accept the new and falsified holy scriptures without any protests - and destroy all the old copies so thoroughly that not one piece of any of them has been found later? This in addition to the claimed falsification of NT and all the impossibilities and improbabilities which have to be "explained" away concerning the claimed falsification of NT.

In most cases the falsifiers would have to reuse the old skin or papyrus or whatever was used - if not modern science easily would find that the material was younger than the writer. How to erase the falsified parts of the old texts in such a way that modern science is unable to see it? And how to find exactly the same ink and use exactly the same handwriting? And how to make space for 4-5 times as much text? (There is 4-5 times as much text in the Bible as in the Quran.)

T H I S I S O N E O F T H E C L A I M S M U H A M M A D M A D E U P.


011 17/6-7: We are now at the 2. punisher, which may have been Nebuchadnezzar. These two first ones were the Assyrians (722 BC, Northern Kingdom - Israel) and the Babylonians (586 BC, Southern Kingdom - Judah (from which the name Jews derive))- (Solomon's temple in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar in 586 BC. (Actually Jerusalem was taken in 597 BC - the rest of Judah in 586 BC and the Temple destroyed then.) And that was it according to the Quran = 2 times. But the Quran as so often has got history wrong. Because - still omitting the lesser stories - then came Alexander the Great (named Dhu'l Quarnayn in the Quran), though he was not too bad for the Jews - followed by the Romans (61 BC), revolt against the Romans (66 - 73 AD, and the new Temple destroyed 70 AD - remember this when you are told about Muhammad's trip to Heaven from "the Farthest Mosque - there was no mosque or temple there at the time of Moses - but then Muhammad’s claimed Night Journey may have been a very exaggerated legend built over a trip from al-Jirana to Kabah and back - scarcely 10 miles each way), Persia (614 AD), Persia beaten (628 AD). Then the Muslims - Jerusalem fell in 637 AD (some sources say 638 AD), and the Muslims stole everything resulting in a hunger catastrophe, this in addition to lots of murdering in the land. Then the Muslim Fatimids - with destruction of f.x. churches and synagogues ("no compulsion in religion"?). The crusaders (1099 AD). The Mamelukes (Muslims) (1244 AD), The Ottomans (Muslims) (1517 AD). These are some. Plus pogroms in different parts of the world - Muslim and non-Muslim - and the Nazi not included.

#####As for the Crusaders: Muslims complain heavily about them - - - but boast about their own many worse deeds in f.x Africa and South Asia. Strange and just, do you not think so?

012 17/8a: "It may be that your Lord (Allah*) may (yet) show Mercy unto you (the Jews*) - - -". Implicated: If you become Muslims. This was in 621 AD - and 2 - 3 years before Muhammad gave in the hope of merging his religion with the Jewish one.

013 17/8f: "- - - and We (Allah*) have made Hell a prison for those who reject (all Faith)". See 3/77b above.

##################NOTE THE WORDS HERE: ALLAH HAS MADE HELL OR AT LEAST ACTIVELY USES IT. SOME GOOD AND BENEVOLENT GOD. (Muslim scholars agree on that Hell could not exist unless Allah at least accepted it. The all-powerful Allah easily could have terminated Hell if he wished.)

###014 17/9b: “Verily the Quran doth guide to that which is most right (or stable) - - -”. That is not possible on basis of a book with unbelievable may be 3000+ mistakes, contradictions, invalid logic, and worse. It is worth adding that “The Message of the Quran” (remark 10 to this surah) specifies that “most right” includes “ethical principles and everything that promotes human life”. A bit special for a religion that has no ethical or moral philosophy, only the dictates from the morally very special war lord and robber baron Muhammad – and reckons robbing, enslavement, rape of captives and slaves, suppression, discrimination, murder, hate, war, etc. as “lawful and good” and very clearly permitted, and even encouraged by the god and the religion. - often very far from "do unto others like you want others do unto you". (Well, Allah and Muhammad got many warriors – and for free - and a lot of valuables and slaves). Similar claims, see 2/213 – 48/28. And also see 17/9d below.

###015 17/9d: “- - - and (the Quran*) giveth the glad tidings to the Believers - - -”. What kind of glad tidings can be built on a book containing hundreds of mistakes? And can even tidings be reliable, when built on hundreds and hundreds of mistakes + hundreds and hundreds of unproved statements hanging in the air or resting on unproved words? (See separate chapters in http://www.1000mistakes.com or our Book A: "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran"). And what kind of glad tidings are built on moral and ethics like what you find in the Quran - live a good life at the expenses of misery and catastrophes and death for many others, like Muhammad and his followers did?! Also see 17/9b above.

016 17/10b: "- - - We (Allah*) have prepared for them (non-Muslims*) a Penalty - - -". If he exists - if not it just is a bluff from someone.

017 17/11a: "The prayer man should make for good, he maketh for evil". Please take a look at the Quran's and Islam's (also today's Islam) code of moral - and remember the golden rule: "Do to others like you want others do to you". Also read some modern Islamic literature meant for the Muslim masses. This quote in the Quran seems to be very correct.

018 17/12d: "- - - the Sign of the Night (= the night*) have We (Allah*) obscured - - -". The night simply is lack of light. How do you obscure lack of light? Any god had known what night in reality was. Also see 11/7a above.

#019 17/12h: “- - - all things have We (Allah*) explained in detail”. Wrong. A lot of things are not explained in detail - f.x. Muslim laws have had to be supplemented with many more paragraphs than the ones in the Quran and in Hadith - and still Muslim law are far from perfect concerning modern life and societies, and even concerning daily life. And just? - A man telling that a woman has behaved indecently is lying to Allah according to Allah and the Quran, if he cannot produce 4 witnesses, THIS EVEN IF HE SPEAKS THE FULL TRUTH, AND THE OMNISCIENT ALLAH OF COURSE KNOWS THIS. And much worse: A raped woman is to be severely punished if she cannot produce 4 MEN to witness that it really was rape - normally absolutely impossible. (For one thing rape normally happens in hidden places, and for another: How many men will come forth to tell: “We saw that she was raped, but did not try to help her” - and then be strictly punished for that omission? Those two points in the Quran are the most horribly unjust and inhuman paragraphs we have ever seen or heard about in any civilized(?) law. Is sharia civilized? Is Allah good or/and just? Judge for yourself. For similar claims see 15/1 -16/89 – 24/34 – 26/2 – 27/1 – 36/69 - 43/2 – 44/2.

But there is no doubt that the Quran means everything is correctly explained = the texts in the book are to be understood literally.

020 17/13c: "- - - We (Allah*) shall bring out for him (every man*) a scroll - - -". Why did an omniscient god need "paper"? And a god using something as primitive and time consuming as scrolls?!

021 17/15b: "- - - who goeth astray doth so to his own loss - - -". Even though Allah decides everything one does according to many places in the Quran? And if f.x. Muhammad was astray, it definitely was not to only his own loss. Definitely not.

022 17/15c: "- - - no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another - - -". NT: "Carry each others' burdens". Jesus and Muhammad definitely were not in the same religion.

023 17/15d: “- - - nor would We (Allah*) visit with Our Wrath until We had sent a Messenger (to give warning)”. This Islam will have to prove - see 17/16b below. There f.x. are many catastrophes which come without a warning - the big tsunami of 2004 f.x. killed two or three hundred thousand Muslims (and comparatively much fewer non-Muslims) without a warning.

024 17/16b: “When We (Allah*) decide to destroy a population, We (first) send a definite order to those among them who are given the good things of this life (= the rich and/or leaders*) and yet transgress - - -”. This Islam will have to prove, because f.x. many a natural catastrophe has happened absolutely without a warning - f.x. the tsunami which in December 2004 hit Muslims far, far harder than any other religion. We never heard that f.x. Malaysia or Sumatra/Ashe had received warnings.

025 17/17a: “How many generations have We (Allah*) destroyed after Noah?” Allah has killed so many generations that he is not sure of the number. And it is a question of killing (destroying), not of natural death. Yahweh who just made room for Israel/the Jews to let them have their own small country + helped them a little now and then, hardly is even in the same killing league as Allah. And also he is outdated, as the new covenant is peaceful, whereas Allah is still going strong in the war and killing business - Yahweh not much of a competitor for Allah in the killing fields.

026 17/18a: "If any do wish for transitory things (of this life), We (Allah*) readily grant them - - -". This simply is not true. There are millions of people living in poverty wishing a little more for the daily life, without getting it. And there are millions more not quite as poor longing for a little luxury, and gets nothing. And even millions more who do need this or that - f.x. medicine - and getting nothing. (And remember this verse also talks about non-Muslims*).

027 17/18b: Verse 18 is Muhammad's standard "explanation", an explanation you meet in variations many times in the Quran, for why many non-Muslims have a good life, whereas many Muslims have a miserable one: It is Allah who has decided it like this. It at the same time is one of Muhammad's standard "explanations" for why many did not believe him and his new religion: They were bad quality people who wanted riches in this life. But in both Cases: They will be punished in the end, and you will be better off. Psychology - Muhammad was intelligent and understood human nature.

027 17/18c: "- - - in the end have We (Allah*) provided Hell for them (sinners*) - - -". See 3/77b above.

029 17/19c: "- - - they (the good Muslims*) are the ones whose striving is acceptable (to Allah)". But if now Allah does not exist - and too much indicates that (f.x. the fact that the Quran is from no god) - will then a religion built on Muhammad's war ideology, ethical and moral codes, etc., make them acceptable for another god if there all the same is a next life? - f.x. Yahweh?

030 17/21a: "See how We (Allah*) have bestowed more on some than on others; but verily the Hereafter is more in rank and graduation and more in excellence". The old problem: Why do many non-Muslims have a good life, whereas we Muslims often are poor? (This was before Muslims were strong enough to steal themselves wealthy.) Simply because Allah in his limitless wisdom had decided things so, "but do not mind; you will get a much better reward in the promised next life". Promises for luxury in a claimed next life are very cheap in this life, and especially if a religion is a made up one..

031 17/21b: "See how We (Allah*) have bestowed more on some than on others; but verily the Hereafter is more in rank and graduation and more in excellence". But we are back to the unavoidable fact: This only can be - can be - true if Allah exists and is a god.

032 17/23a: "Thy (peoples'*) Lord (Allah*) hath decreed - - -". This does not matter unless Allah exists and is a major god - or part of the dark forces.

033 17/23c: “Thy Lord (Allah*) hath decreed that ye worship none but Him, and that ye be kind to parents.” This last part actually is strongly contradicted by 6/151 which prohibits you from being kind to your parents. (We honestly think the words in 6/151 represent an accident during f.x. the Uthman’s edition of the book. But it is a clear and strong contradiction - and how many more "accidents" are there in the Quran?).

034 17/25a: "Thy Lord (Allah*) knoweth best what is in your hearts - - -". See 2/233h above.

035 17/26b: "- - - but squander not (your wealth) (on helping others*) in the manner of spendthrift. Verily spendthrifts are brothers of the Satans - - -". The only possible meaning here, is that if you use too much of your possessions to help others, you are sinning against Allah (squandering his gifts?). The abyss here between the Quran and NT is immense - see f.x. the story about the widow's offering (Mark 12/42-43). Islam and Christianity the same religion? Yahweh and Allah the same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same line? A clear no to all such claims. The Quran gives many proofs for that these never proved claims are wrong.

036 17/29: Do not be a niggard when someone needs help, but also not the opposite - follow "the middle way" - similar to a central Buddhist slogan. (Arabia had contact also with India, which had many Buddhist until Muslims some centuries later slaughtered most of them - Islam nearly eradicated Buddhism in India (now Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh).).

037 17/30b: "Verily thy (Muslims'/Muhammad's*) Lord (Allah*) doth provide sustenance - - -". Allah gives you everything, according to the Quran. Rather similar to 11/7a above.

038 17/32: "Nor come neigh to adultery - - -". But to rape captives or slaves or bought concubines - also far underage - is "good and lawful”. Not to mention to keep a harem of willing or unwilling women. One of the many distasteful (or stronger) cases of "double moral" in the Quran - aspects of Islam which makes it disliked (and with a reason), especially the rape and forced sex + pedophilia.

###039 17/36a: "And pursue not that of which you (Muslims*) have not knowledge - - -". And the most essential thing not to pursue, is knowledge which can make you doubt Islam - true or not. In the old times when Islam really fought science and knowledge until the finally destroyed it in 1095 AD, the question was not if the knowledge was right or wrong - only if it was Islamic or not. "Idle curiosity" is bad. (But the language in the Quran is far from clear; some translators mean this only means you shall not listen to rumors, etc. - an aspect Muslims with all their conspiracy theories may be should remember?)

040 17/39a: "- - - wisdom, which thy Lord (Allah*) has revealed to thee (Muhammad*)". Was it really revealed? - and in case by whom or what? - not by any god at least, as too much is wrong.

041 17/39d: "Take not, with Allah, another object of worship, lest thou shouldst be thrown into Hell - - -". If Allah exists. If he sent the Quran. If the Quran tells only the plain and full truth. And if the "other object" is not a true god. (In the last case may be he does not like your praying to Allah - a not proved god).

042 17/39e: "- - - blameworthy - - -". See 17/39d just above. Also note that when the Quran - and Muslims - use words like this, it is in accordance with Islam's somewhat "special" moral code. ##There are many a thing which are blameworthy according to the Quran - f.x. not wanting to kill or go to war - which in more normal moral codes and cultures are not blameworthy or even laudable. And the other way around.

043 17/40a: "Has then your Lord (O Pagans!) preferred for you sons, and taken for Himself (al-Lah/Allah*) daughters - - -?" The angels and the central goddesses al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat, were reckoned to be the daughters of al-Lah/Allah (by Muhammad only named Allah) in the old Arabia. In a strictly masculine society Muhammad obviously thought it was a heavy and killing argument that as all men wanted sons and not daughters, it was unthinkable that a god should want daughters! Any god had known that in many cultures the religion you would meet "mother" goddesses and there this argument was laughable or at least invalid, and used universal arguments instead - at least if he wanted the religion to be universal.

044 17/41a: "We (Allah*) have explained (things) in various (ways) in this Quran - - - but it only increases their (non-Muslims) flight (from the Truth)!" Sometimes explanations make also mistakes more obvious and easy to see.

But it is worth noticing that Allah here says he has explained things. Thus when Islam/Muslims tell that Allah in many cases means something different from what he says in the Quran (in order to explain away mistakes or other dark points), this means that they claim Allah is not good at explaining, and that clever Muslims have to tell "what Allah really meant", as they are better at explaining and at understanding what he "really" tried to say, than Allah himself. This in spite of that Allah some places not only says he has explained things, but explained all things in detail.

It takes something to be better than a god at knowing what that god really meant and then explain it better than him. Muslims must have a high IQ.

045 17/41b: "We (Allah*) have explained (things) in various (ways) in this Quran - - - but it only increases their (non-Muslims) flight (from the Truth)!" Untrue facts, claims, and "explanations" have a strong negative effect on the ones able to see through the untruths.

046 17/41c: "- - - receive admonition". Not possible unless Allah exists and is a god.

047 17/41e: “- - - their flight (from the Truth)!” At best from partly true, never proved statements - the Quran at best is only partly true. Also remember that mistakes do not become truer even if they are repeated often. This also goes for a word like "true" - though according to Joseph Goebbels (Nazi "Minister of Propaganda"): "If you repeat a lie often enough, people start believing it" Also see 13/1g above.

048 17/43c: "He (Allah*) is high above all that they say! - Exalted and Great (beyond measure)!" Similar often claimed, never proved.

###049 17/44a: “The seven heavens - - -”. There are no seven heavens. See 10/6e above. All the same you find these claims about 7 heavens/firmaments/tracts in 2/29d+e, 23/17a, 23/86a, 41/12a+b, 65/12a, 67/3a+b and 71/15a+b - all together the Quran mentions "heavens" in plural at least 199 times; there is no doubt the Quran means there are 7 heavens (and as the stars are fastened to the lowermost of them - f.x. 67/5a - they have to be material ones - if not the stars could not be fastened to it). In 67/3 you also are told they are placed one above the other, which means they of course are built successively higher above the Earth - which also is clear from most places in the Quran where the place of the heavens are indicated. Some modern Muslims try to place the heavens in space, deep space included. But among others 67/3 prohibits this, as f.x. "up" and "down" ("one above the other") has no meaning as part of the real space. And not least: In deep space there is no air and no air pressure, and thus impossible for Muslims in Heaven to stay there. (Islam and Muslims are very good at solving one aspect of a problem or an impossibility, but overlooking other aspects and/or effects.)

By the way: 67/12b also claims there are 7 Earths, and gives their names according to Islam.

050 17/44b: "The seven heavens and the earth, declare his glory - - -". Animism and anthropomorphism - normally found in primitive religions and in fairy tales.

051 17/44c: "- - - all beings therein (heavens and earth), declare his glory - - -". With the exception of the sentient beings: Anthropomorphism - normally found in primitive religions and fairy tales.

052 17/44d: "The seven heavens and the earth, and all beings therein, declare his glory - - -". There are no 7 heavens + see 17/44c just above.

053 17/44g: "(Allah*)is Oft-Forbearing, Most Forgiving!" Please read the surahs from Medina and the most unjust of his (?) sharia laws and see if you agree. That a claim is repeated many times, does not make it true - though it may make people start believing it; just ask the Nazi Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels: "Repeat a lie often enough, and people will start believing it."

054 17/45a: "When thou (Muslims*) dost recite the Quran, We (Allah*) put - - -". Back to the old fact: Allah can do nothing unless he exists - and if he exists, but belong to the dark forces, be a bit careful with what you permit him to do. As mentioned before: He at least is no god if he is behind the Quran - too much is wrong in that book.

055 17/45c: "- - - those who believe not in the Hereafter - - -". Most religious people believe in a next life (though the old Arabs are said not to put much stress on that part of the religion - an Arabism perhaps? See 4/13d above.)

###056 17/46a: "And We (Allah*) put coverings over their (unbelievers*) hearts (and minds) lest they should understand the Quran - - -". Yahweh/Jesus in NT and the New Covenant would never - never - hide "the narrow road" to paradise for anyone at all, except for very special reasons. Allah and Yahweh the same god? Just you believe it! - not unless the god is at least schizophrenic, and strongly so."

057 17/46d: “- - - (the unbelievers*) turn on their backs, fleeing (from the Truth)”. At most from what is partly the truth, as the Quran has lots and lots of mistakes. Also see 13/1g above and 40/75 below.

058 17/47a: "We (Allah*) know best why it is they listen - - -". Allah knows absolutely everything, according to the Quran. Why then must he test people - and this question even more so if he is omnipotent and predestines all you think and do, like the Quran claims MANY places.

059 17/47b: "- - - the wicked say, 'Ye (Muslims*) follow none other than a man bewitched - - -'". May be they were not wicked, but wise; in the old days people with mental disorders often were believed to be bewitched - invaded by a bad spirit. Modern medical science says there is a strong chance Muhammad had TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) - an illness which may give exactly the symptoms Muhammad is told to have had.

060 17/48a: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) have gone astray". Only if Allah exists, if he is behind the Quran, and if the Quran in addition tells the full truth and only the truth. If they then believe in a real god, they are not astray.

061 17/48b: "- - - never can they (non-Muslims*) find a way (to salvation*)". Well, they can f.x. try "the narrow road" to Yahweh - he at least has proved his existence and some power if the old books tell the truth, whereas Allah never has proved anything at all.

062 17/49c: "What! When we (humans*) are reduced to bones and dust, should we really be raised up (to be) a new creation?". It is said that the old Arabs did not value the next life much, but at least they knew it existed in many religions - it was no surprise to them. But Islam claims that Allah picks up all the atoms and juices of your rot and nullified body and puts it all back to recreate you bodily - though as a young person (nothing is said about fixing the body of handicapped or the mind of mentally retarded), and that was a bit much for the non-believers to believe. We must admit we find it somewhat unbelievably, too - but for another reason: Why! - why recreate the body, when a soul free from cumbersome bones and meat are much freer? - and when mental and intellectual pleasures and experiences are much more fulfilling than bodily ones? May the reason be that in a primitive culture(?) like in the old Arabia, the bodily pleasures were the only ones rough warriors really knew and were able to picture? - and to experience bodily pleasures one needed bodies. Is the explanation for bodily recreation simply that Muhammad needed "carrots" his primitive and self centered (f.x. unable to feel empathy with their victims or with women they raped) rough bunches of warriors were able to visualize?

063 17/50-51: "- - - be ye (non-Muslims*) stones or iron, or (the*) created matter which, in your minds is (the*) hardest (to be raised up (as a human being*) - yet ye shall be raised up!". Muhammad is boasting that no matter how difficult you will be to resurrect, Allah is able to do so. Pure boasting?

064 17/51c: "He Who created you first!" Here it is indicated Allah, but as the Quran is not from a god - too many mistakes, etc. - this claim is unreliable, especially as even the existence of Allah is unclear. There is nowhere any valid proof for that he exists. There also is no valid proof for that he is able neither to create nor to resurrect - Islam will have to produce valid proofs instead of only claims to be believed. Also see 7/158i above and 21/56c below.

065 17/52b: "- - - on a Day when He (Allah*) will call you - - -". If he exists and calls you, you had better make sure he is a god, and do not belong to the dark forces - any god would have no problems proving he was a god, whereas f.x. a devil could have problems with such a proof - and not a thing is proved concerning Allah.

Furthermore: According to the Bible it is Yahweh who will rule that day, not Allah.

066 17/52c: (YA2236): Is this verse part of the answer to the skeptic in the previous verse? Or is it a separate, proud statement to Muslims. Who knows? Unclear.

067 17/52d: "- - - and ye (humans*) think that ye tarried but a little while (in the grave*)". Remember this when you meet claims about punishment in the grave in the Hadiths. For one thing there is no time for such punishment, as the dead ones do not know of the time passing, and for another the phenomenon is not mentioned in the Quran. This seems to be one of the made up themes in the Hadiths. Punishment in the grave also does not exist in the Bible.

068 17/53b: "- - - (Muslims*) should (only) say those things that are best - - -". Yahweh tells that his followers should only say what is true. But remember that dishonesty is permitted in wide cases - even recommended "if necessary" to defend or promote the religion - in Islam.

069 17/53c: "- - - Satan doth sow dissentions among them (mankind*): for Satan is to man an avowed enemy". ##########Take a look at the texts in the Quran and see how much dissention and strife and war it wants and initiates and demands. Is this another indication for that the Quran is from the dark forces?

070 17/54a: "It is your (Muhammad's*) Lord (Allah*) who knoweth you best - - -". According to the Quran Allah knows absolutely everything, included your innermost thoughts. (But all the same he has to test you - nobody can give a good explanation why - "explanations" yes, explanations no."

071 17/54b: “- - - If He (Allah*) please, He granteth you mercy, or if He please, punishment - - -”. No matter what outcome this sentence is sure to be right. Really a good sentence for f.x. Muhammad - always right no matter what happens. But it proves nothing.

072 17/54d: “We (Allah*) have not sent thee (Muhammad*) to be a disposer of their (“infidels’”*) affairs for them”. Allah or Muhammad started to change his mind about this one year later – in 622 AD – when Muhammad started to gain enough military power to decide “their” religion for them. (In spite of what Islam likes to tell, Islam to a large degree was introduced by the sword – and by the wish for taking part in the looting/robbing/stealing, raping and slave taking – in Arabia). This verse is contradicted and often “killed” by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 5/73, 8/12, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 29 contradictions).

073 17/55a "And it is your Lord (Allah*) that knoweth best all beings in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". The old and unavoidable question: If he exists? - and if he is a god? Often claimed, never proved.

074 17/55c "It is your Lord (Allah*) that knoweth best all beings in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". If he then on top predestines everything like the Quran repeatedly claims, then why - why - does he have to test anybody at all? The logic does not add up - not unless it was Muhammad who needed an "explanation" for hardship and for his repeated calls to raids and war.

075 17/55e: “We (Allah*) gave David (the gift of) the Psalms”. According to science the psalms are a lot younger than King David – at least most of them. A god had known.

076 17/56b: "- - - they (other gods*) have neither the power to remove your troubles from you nor to change them". This may be correct, but a deep question never even mentioned neither in the Quran, nor in Hadiths, nor anywhere else in Islam as far as we have seen, is: If Allah predestines everything, and often years before like the Quran states, and if nothing can change his decisions and Plan: Why then pray to Allah for help in troubles at all? - nothing can change his decisions anyhow, so prayers for such changes are just so much wasted time. This fact is never mentioned by mullahs, etc., so we have never seen how they explain it away. And similar go for good and bad deeds, pilgrimage, etc.

077 17/57a: "Those (false gods, saints or similar*) whom they (non-Muslims) call upon do desire (for themselves) means of access to their Lord (Allah*) - - -". As for saints this may or may not be true. But for made up gods it is wrong - made up gods in reality do not exist, and thus has no wishes at all (the Quran claims that pictures of them in wood, metal or something are given life at the Day of Doom - it is free for anybody to believe it). This also goes for Allah if he is a made up god.

078 17/57b: "Those whom they (non-Muslims) call upon do desire (for themselves) means of access to their Lord (Allah*) - - -". This may only be correct if Allah exists and the Quran is correct and from Allah, and if they then do not pray to a real god. Especially if Allah or the Quran or both are made up, this is worth to beware of - praying to a made up god has no effect.

079 17/57d: "- - - the Wrath of your (human's*) Lord (Allah*) is something to take heed of". See 3/77b and 17/57b above.

080 17/58c: "- - - the (eternal) Record - - -" = in this case Allah's Plan. With other words: Allah has predestined and put into his book, and what is written there, is going to happen - no-one can change Allah's predestination and Plan. BUT WHY DOES AN OMNISCIENT GOD NEED A RECORD?


#####081 17/59a: "And we (Allah*) refrain from sending Signs (Quran-speak for "proofs for Allah"), only because the men of former generations treated them as false - - -".

This is Muhammad's standard "explanation" for why Allah would not and Muhammad himself was unable to give any real proofs for the existence of Allah or for Muhammad's connection to a god - Allah or someone else. And it is not a good one, as for one thing it obviously is not true:

There were stories both in the Bible and in the Quran - f.x. the sorcerers of Pharaoh Ramses II and Moses - about people believing in the performed miracles/real proofs (if true stories).

Muhammad knew about at least some of the stories about the miracles Jesus performed, and how huge flocks of believers he got from the miracles.

It is not only contra, but incompatible to, human nature and psychology that not a good percentage of the ones who witnessed real miracles/proofs, would not come to believe.

Muhammad was intelligent and he understood people and how to manipulate them. He knew this. But he obviously was unable to find a better excuse - there are not many excuses which would work. But remember that dishonesty is an accepted working tool in Islam - f.x. al-Taqiyya.

What is really strange, is that Muslims have not seen through this "explanation" centuries ago, and still are unable to do so.

This is a monument over the effect of brainwashing, of wishful thinking, of ability to refuse to see the obvious, of lack of ability/training in critical thinking, uncritical acceptance of authorities (taqlid), and more. A monument over the weak point of the human brain.

There are some such cases in the Quran, the three most prominent and serious ones may be the impossible combination of full predestination like the Quran states many places, and free will of man, and the as impossible combination of full predestination and claims about any effect of prayers or forgiving, and the as impossible combination of full predestination and punishment or reward - f.x. reward for hajj/pilgrimage. Actually the full predestination in reality makes superstition out of 2 of the 5 "pillars" of Islam: Prayer and Hajj/pilgrimage.

If it is not the claimed full predestination which is superstition.


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#####082 17/59b: "And we (Allah refrain from sending Signs (Quran-speak for "proofs for Allah"), only because the men of former generations treated them as false - - -".

In this connection we quote Muhammad Asad: "The Message of the Quran" (a/17/71), translated from Swedish: ###########"Several places the Quran stresses the fact that the Prophet Muhammad, in spite of being the last and greatest of Allah's messengers, did not have the permission to make signs or miracles similar to those earlier prophets are told to have made as confirmation of their verbal preaching". 

Worth remembering each time Muslims - often believing it honestly, because their mullahs, etc. have told them so - tell you about the miracles of Muhammad or try to use claims about his miracles as arguments or proofs for something.


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083 17/59g: “And We (Allah*) refrain from sending the Signs (real proofs*) only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the She-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes - - -”. Thamud is the only example mentioned here – a tale “borrowed” from old Arab folk tales.

One thing is that we have never been able to understand how a camel could be a proof of Allah. (But actually the camel is part of an old Arab folk tale: It came out from a cliff and became a prophet for a god.) But just read the Bible – which the Quran “borrows” (and twists) many stories from, at least indirectly – and you will see that real proof has effect (which is most natural). That it will have no effect just is fast-talk with somewhat bent logic and psychology – one of those any intelligent man knowing something about how people think and reacts was sure to know was untrue.

For one thing: To use something which was claimed to have happened, but more than 2ooo years before, is not valid without documentation.

For another: Muhammad himself used the miracles Moses according to the Quran made and told they made all the sorcerers of Pharaoh Ramses II become Muslims. 

For another: There had been several prophets in between - with Jesus as the star in this connection - and also f.x. Paul even though he was not a prophet, who made miracles which made people believe in the religion and attracted followers.

This "explanation" is invalid also according to the Quran (contradicted). What is worse: It is one of the places it is clear Muhammad knew he was lying, as it is clear from the Quran that he at least knew about the miracles of both Moses and Jesus, and that these made people believe.


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###084 17/59h “And We (Allah*) refrains from sending the Signs only because the men of former generations treated them as false- - -". ##########But there is an interesting remark in Asad’s note and explanation (A 17/71): “His (Muhammad’s*) only miracle was and is the Quran itself”. This is an accepted fact among Muslim scholars and Islamic religious leaders. AND ALL THE SAME THEY CONTINUE AND CONTINUE TO TELL THEIR CONGREGATIONS ABOUT THE (MADE UP) MIRACLES CONNECTED TO MUHAMMAD THAT THE HADITHS TELL ABOUT – AND NOWHERE IN THE HADITH COLLECTIONS DO YOU FIND A WARNING THAT “THE QURAN PROVES THAT THESE MIRACLES ARE MADE UP LEGENDS. An honest religion? Honest “priests”? Honest professors? (These are among the reasons why it is impossible to rely on Islamic literature – you all the time know you have to check the “facts” before you can use the information (or disinformation or wishful thinking)).

Remember that to make prophesies also is a miracle - to be able to see or know the unknown.

And: Remember this whenever a Muslim will tell you about some of all the miracles they claim Muhammad performed. That he made no miracles at all, also is very clear from the fact that he had to explain away all requests for such ones - if he had made any miracle, he and his followers had informed about it loudly and often.

For the sake of record we quote the here relevant part of M. Asad's comment in full ones more, and now directly from English (on Internet): "In many places (not only here in 17/59*) the Quran stresses the fact that the Prophet Muhammad - - - was not empowered to perform miracles similar to those with which the earlier prophets are said to (and in some cases confirmed in the Quran*) have reinforced (NB: Muhammad claimed it would not reinforce his teaching*) their verbal (also Muhammad's were verbal - only written down afterwards*) messages. His only miracle was and is the Qur'an itself - - -". There has never existed one single Muslim scholar who did not know - and knows today - this. ALL THE SAME THEY HAIL MUHAMMAD'S CLAIMED MIRACLES AS PROOFS FOR HIS GOD AND HIS BEING A PROPHET IN SUCH WAYS THAT THE UNEDUCATED MASSES TO A LARGE DEGREE BELIEVE - YES, ARE SURE - THE MIRACLES IS A REALITY. An honest al-Taqiyya (lawful lie). But if the scholars, imams, ayatollahs lie about this to forward the religion, how much more do they lie about?


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085 17/59i: "We (Allah*) only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil)." This perhaps was what Muhammad did with all his raids - mainly for looting and extortion, rape and slave taking, but later also for spreading Islam (continued by his successors). Terror and evil brought the message across many places.

086 17/59j: Just for the record: The stories about the 'Ad, Thamud, Midianite (descendants of Abraham’s 4. son with Keturah - 1. Mos. 25/2 - or people from Midian (Madyan? - highly unlikely)?), Rocky Tract, etc. tribes and the prophets Hud, Salih, and Shu'ayb are not from the Bible. That is to say, as mentioned Midianites may be mentioned, as descendants from one of Abraham's 6 sons with Keturah, Midian (1. Mos. 24/1-2), or a person from Midian (likely in Sinai, as Mt. Horeb (likely another name for Mt. Sinai) and Mt. Sinai (today Jabal Musa (34 degrees east, 28.5 degrees east), are mentioned. Roughly 70 km north northwest from Sharm-el-Sheik (Sharm el Shaykh) far south in central Sinai. Also Islam confirms that it was here Moses met his god and got the mission to take the Jews out from Egypt. This is far from Madyan in Arabia) are mentioned in connection to them.

087 17/60a: "- - - thy Lord (Allah*) doth encompass mankind round about - - -". Allah knows everything and dominates man completely. Then why 2/233h and 35/38b?

088 17/60c: "- - - but as a trial for men - - -". Why does an omniscient, predestining god need to try humans?

089 17/60e: "- - - it only increased their (non-Muslims'*) inordinate transgression". This is the "explanation". But the real reason may have been that they saw things were wrong - it is not difficult to see in the Quran, and it is claimed that the old prophets had similar books.

090 17/61b: "Behold We (Allah*) said to the angels: 'Bow down to Adam'". This is one of the many proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god: In the Quran man is superior to angels. In the Bible the situation is not as clearly told as in the Quran, but angels clearly are "higher" than man. Which shows that Yahweh's angels are not the same as Allah's, and thus also that the Paradises are different (angels are an integrated part of Yahweh's Paradise, but are not mentioned in Allah's except that they exist). With marked different angels and very marked different Paradises, the two are not the same god.

091 17/62: Here Iblis asks for respite to lead people astray, before Allah has ordered him unwanted. Most places in the Quran where this story is told, Iblis asks for this afterward. Quite a contradiction - An omniscient god had remembered how it happened and what was first and last - Iblis also had little reason for this request until he was thrown out. A small, but revealing contradiction. 

092 17/62 - 65: This is how Hell was made - and the main question here is: Allah could easily have denied Iblis/the Devil this - then what kind of god is Allah permitting or may be even having decided the whole thing (as Allah decides everything), permitting such torture and sadism? - especially if he predestines who are going to Hell and who not, like the Quran some places states. Also see 17/65 below. NB: This story is not from the Bible.

093 17/64a: Here Allah gives Iblis lots of permissions he easily could have denied him. What kind if "good and benevolent god" is this? Also this is not from the Bible.

094 17/64b: "But Satan promises them (humans*) nothing but deceit". But is Allah any better? According to the Quran he accepts and uses dishonesty and deceit and even broken words/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a+b, 16/91e, 16/92a+b, 66/2a) - like Muhammad did - and besides there has till date not been reported one proved case of Allah keeping a promise. Claims, but never a proved case.

095 17/65b: "- - - enough is thy (Muhammad's/Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) for a Disposer of affairs", Yes, but only if he exists and has power - and preferably do not belong to the dark forces.

096 17/66b: "(Allah is*) Most Merciful". As said other places: Read the surahs from Medina + the unjust parts of his sharia laws and see if you agree.

097 17/67d: "- - - those that ye (non-Muslims*) call upon - besides Him (Allah*) - leave you in the lurch - - -". But as Allah's predestined Plan cannot be changed, what use is there to call upon Allah - the outcome is already determinated and impossible to change according to the Quran. Even if he should exist and have power.

098 17/68: "Do ye then feel secure that He (Allah*) will not - - -". Four facts indicate that one is pretty secure: There never was a proof for Allah’s existence, there never was a proof for Allah's claimed power, it is very clear that the Quran is full of mistakes, and thus not from a god, and Allah has till now not done one single documented thing - positive or negative in 1400 years. + Five: There never was a proof for that Muhammad had contact with a god, not to mention represented him. Also see 3/77b above.

099 17/70c: "- - - Our (Allah*) Creation". See 6/2b, 7/158i, 11/7b above and 21/56c below.

100 17/71c: "- - - those who were given their records - - -".The old question: Why does an omniscient god use records? - even in a situation like this it is needed only if the humans distrust him.

101 17/71e: "- - - they (the good Muslims*) will not be dealt with unjustly in the least". Not if Allah exists and the Quran is correct. Some of them may be dealt with justly even if Allah should exist, but be from the dark forces - f.x. torturers, rapists, terrorists, murderers, etc.

102 17/72a: "But those who were blind in this world - - -". If there are not mistakes in the Quran, the non-Muslims were blind. If there are mistakes, the Muslims were/are blind (as this means the book is not from a god). Indications are that they are doubly blind: Believing in a book not from a god, and too blind to see the facts.

103 17/73c: “- - - that (the Quran*) which We (Allah*) had revealed unto thee (Muhammad*)”. As no book of a quality like the Quran is from any god, also no god has sent it to Muhammad.

104 17/73d: "- - - substitute in Our (Allah's*) name something quite different (another god*) - - -". A bad idea if Allah exists and the Quran has no mistakes, so that you practice the religion correctly. An idea of no consequence if both Allah and the other god do not exist, or if Islam is so twisted that a good and benevolent god will not accept Muslims (it is most difficult to believe that a good and benevolent and just god will accept to be the god of a war religion which on top of is based on mistreatment of victims and on lies (al-Taqiyya, Kitman), broken promises/oats, a partly immoral moral code, etc., etc.) But a good idea if Allah and the Quran are made up, but the other god is real. Not to mention if Allah is from the dark forces - behind the creation the Quran or not.

105 17/74a: "And had We (Allah*) not given thee (Muhammad*) strength, thou wouldst nearly have inclined to them (non-Muslims*) a little". This is a reference to the "Satanic Verses" - Muhammad gave in to the leaders of Mecca and "received" verses accepting and promoting the 3 goddesses al-Lat, al Uzza, and Manat in addition to al-Lah/Allah as the price for acceptance and perhaps power in Mecca. But shortly after he regretted and retracted the text - and blamed the Devil. And not to forget: "Proved" that it was normal for all prophets to be tempted - "ergo" he still was a normal prophet - - - even though he claimed to be the greatest.

106 17/75: "In that case We (Allah*) - - -". This means there existed alternatives. But how was that possible if Allah predestines everything and every detail in a Plan not possible to change, like the Quran claims many places. (Remember here that full predestination and at the same time free will for man is not possible - not even for an omniscient and omnipotent god. In the immaterial parts of reality there are lines not possible to cross even for gods - and predestination vs. free will for man is a version of "the time travel paradox", a paradox which is proved insolvable.

107 17/76b: "Their (the Quraysh leaders in Mecca*) purpose was to scare thee (Muhammad*) - - -". This is dishonest political fast-talk. Their purpose was to neutralize him as a political and economical danger by letting him share power and be part of the establishment. Muhammad first accepted and told what later became known as "the Satanic Verses", but then backed out. But the fast-talk afterwards sounded better than the reality for his followers .

108 17/77b: “(This was Our (Allah’s*)) way with the messengers We sent before thee (Muhammad*), thou wilt find no change in Our ways.” Wrong. There is so much difference between especially NT and the Quran that it is not the same religion at all. F.x. Jesus was for peace, Muhammad for war. And science - and Islam - has clearly proved by strong circumstantial and empirical proofs that the Bible is not falsified – Islam in case will have to prove the quote, and after 1400 years of thorough searching they have found not one single proof, only loose claims. (Guess if they had told the world about it if they really had found a proof!! The lack of such a proof from Islam, is an even better proof than science has produced for that the Bible is not falsified, as Islam has tried longer and stronger.)

109 17/78a: "- - - regular prayers - - -". This demand for regular prayers - 5 times a day - was so essential for Allah (he even wanted more often according to Hadiths) that it became one of the 5 "pillars" of Islam. For Yahweh such formalism was so totally without any interest, that no similar rule at all is mentioned in the entire Bible. One of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

110 17/78b: "- - - the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony". We have not found any Muslim source giving a good explanation for what here is meant. But we have found some unscientific mysticism about angels, and sparks of Allah's light, and intuition all being special at daybreak. Often far from clear language in the Quran.

111 17/79b: "- - - soon will thy Lord (Allah*) raise thee (Muhammad*) to a Station (Heaven*) of Praise and Glory (a top position - "Maqam Mahmud" - in Paradise*)". Strongly contradicted by the Bible - a man of Muhammad's moral standard - lying, thieving. rapist, extorter, torturer, war-monger, hate-monger, and more - could not enter the Paradise Jesus told about. Not to mention get a high position there. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

112 17/79c: "- - - soon will thy Lord (Allah*) raise thee (Muhammad*) to a Station (Heaven*) of Praise and Glory (a top position - "Maqam Mahmud" - in Paradise*)". One more proof for that Yahweh's and Allah's paradises are very different, and that thus Yahweh and Allah cannot be the same god: In Yahweh's Paradise the humans "become like angels" (Mark 12/25) and not one single place in the entire NT there is said anything about anyone being different in Paradise (little is said about Paradise in OT). In Allah's Paradise there is aristocracy and even the commoners are divided in 4 or 6 or more gardens, one better than the other. Yahweh and Allah the same god? You bet!

113 17/81a: “Truth (the teachings of Muhammad*) has (now) arrived, - - -”. As these teachings build on the Quran, and the Quran contains lots of mistakes, the teachings are at best partly the truth. That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact (actually much of the book is proved wrong).

114 17/81b: "- - - Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish". Let us hope so. But falsehood combined with ruthlessness, armed strengths and willingness to terror and murder often survives for a long time - just look at the Mafia, the Chinese Triads, etc. Are at least parts of Muhammad’s teaching and behavior in the same league?

115 17/82a: “We (Allah*) sent down - - - in the Quran - - -”. Islam will have to prove that the Quran really is sent down, and sent down from an omniscient god. Without VERY good proofs, it is difficult to believe an omniscient god has sent down such a quality book, and especially if he intended to save people for his Heaven. Yes, without such proofs, it simply is impossible to believe it. (If Allah belongs to the dark forces, the miserable moral code, etc. may be easier to understand - and also all the mistakes if they are a condition for being permitted by a god to make a trap for humans.)

116 17/82b: "- - - a healing - - -". There is not much mental and religious healing in a book full of mistakes and immoral moral rules, and not from a god. But strangely: No matter how far out and untrue a religion is, the ones believing in a religion - also pagan and primitive and warlike ones - will feel and believe it gives rest and mental healing. Belief is a strange thing.<

117 17/82h: "- - - for the unjust (non-Muslims*) it (not believe in the Quran*) causes nothing but loss - - -". ###As there is no god behind the Quran, it has no real religious value. ###And as its ethical and moral codes are deplorable - compare it to "do unto others like you want others do unto you" and judge for yourself - it has negative moral value. It is a gain, not a loss to be able to see what the Quran really is - and it is a mystery why so many are able not to see all its errors, etc. after loss".

118 17/83a: "When We (Allah*) bestow our favor on man - - -". There is not one single clear and proved such case in all history.

119 17/84b: "- - - (Allah*) knows best who it is that is best guided on the Way". But if Allah knows everything, why then 2/233h above?

120 17/85a: "- - - the Spirit - - -". Most Muslim scholars mean this is a reference to the Holy Spirit (mentioned 3-4 times in the Quran), though other explanations are possible - like Islam claims, the Quran has a very distinct language, easy to understand and impossible to misunderstand(?). But many of the scholars mix the Holy Spirit with the arch angel Gabriel - Gabriel brought messages to Muhammad according to the Quran, and the Holy Spirit a few times did the same - "ergo" the Holy Spirit must be Gabriel, Q.E.D. No comments except that no really knower of the Bible - Christian, Jewish, or something else - would ever get that idea, if the book is read with an open mind.

121 17/85b: "- - - the Spirit (of inspiration) - - -". This explanation by the translator in reality is unclear, as it most likely is the Holy Spirit which is meant. But then the Quran a couple of places tells that the Holy Spirit brought verses to Muhammad, and as he claimed to get many of his verses "by inspiration", this conclusion - right or wrong - is easy to make. A small curio here: In the Hadiths it is told that Muhammad only dreamt such verses and surahs in the bed of Aishah (his child wife).

122 17/88b: "- - - Jinns - - -". Originally figures from Arab pagan religion, folklore and fairy tales – and not mentioned by any other prophet throughout times, even though they are pretty active and part of what Islam claims is the same basic religion as the Jewish and the Christian ones (the claim is wrong, though - the basic ideals and thoughts are too different, and the same for the two gods). According to the Quran they are made from fire (or hot wind) and are distinct from spirits. An Arabism - (see 4/13d above) as far as we have found out they only exists in the folklore in and around Arabia.

######123 17/88c: (YA2289): "The proof of the Quran is in its own beauty and nature, and the circumstances in which it was promulgated - - -". #######This is such a silly sentence that at first we did not take it into this text. But on the other hand it is one of the very few, if not the only "proof" Islam has got for its religion. A book where the language is beautiful - - - after being polished for 250 years (from ca. 650 AD till ca. 900 AD) by top scholars. And what is the nature of the book: A bloody, inhuman and to a great part immoral war religion very far from "do unto others like you want others do onto you" - and the book itself flowing over of mistaken facts and other mistakes, of contradictions and cases of invalid logic, unclear language, etc. And the circumstances? Claimed received by a person liking power, and later during his bloody reign the leader of highwaymen and in the end as a warlord - some godly circumstances!!? And this is the only - or at least one of the very few - "proofs" for that Islam is a genuine religion, not according to us, but as you see according to central and certified Islamic religious literature. Except for the claimed, but invalid "signs" listed in the book.

#124 17/89: "- - - yet the greater part of men refuses (to receive it) - - -". At least a number of them because already at that time many saw that something was wrong with this teaching.

125 17/90c: “They (non-Muslims*) say: ‘We shall not believe in thee (Muhammad*), until thou cause a spring to gush forth for us from the earth (or give us some other proof*)”. Strong requests - and a positive answer would have had effect. But there never was any proof for anything - not for Allah, not for Gabriel, not for Muhammad being a prophet or a messenger, not for Islam.

126 17/92a: “Or thou (Muhammad*) cause the sky to fall in pieces, as thou sayest (will happen) - - - “. No matter if Allah accepts to repeat this in his (?) book made thousands and millions of years before they said it (!), it is wrong. The sky Muhammad thought was a roof over the Earth, is an optical illusion, and cannot fall down in pieces. Neither Muhammad nor Allah corrected this wrong piece of astronomy. And neither were any of them able to give a proof like they were asked for.

####127 17/93c: "Am I (Muhammad*) aught but a man - a Messenger?" = ###I (Muhammad) is unable to perform miracles. Which is one more proof for that all the miracles claimed by Hadiths and by folklore and legends connected to Muhammad, all are made up tales. We also quote (A17/111 - in English 2008 edition 17/109): "- - - the only miracle(?*) granted by Allah to Muhammad is the Quran itself - - -". This is a most well-known fact in Islam, and all the same the lay people in the religion are told about the wonderful miracles Muhammad preformed, and there is no comments telling that the stories are made up according to the Quran when Hadiths tells about the miracles. Are any further comments on Muslim honesty and reliability necessary?

And remember there are many more places in the Quran where Muhammad states he only is a normal human - "only a Messenger", "only a Warner", "only a Bringer of Glad Tidings", etc. - no supernatural man, no supernatural power.

128 17/94a: "What kept men (typical the Quran - not women*) back from Belief when Guidance (the Quran*) came to them - - -?" Simply: They understood 17/94c below - at least some of them.

129 17/94d: "What kept men (typical the Quran - not women*) back from Belief when Guidance (the Quran*) came to them, was nothing but this: they said, 'Has Allah sent a man (like us) to be (His) Messenger?" Better for Muhammad to say this, than to admit the real reason. But this is one of his weaker ways of explaining problems away, as all Jews and Christians and many others knew that all the prophets in the Bible - perhaps except Jesus - were normal humans.

130 17/94h: "Has Allah sent a man (like us (normal men*)) to be (His) Messenger?". At least there is good reason for to ask if Muhammad really was sent - his book and thus his claim for divine contact is so full of errors of many kinds, that it is not from a god.

131 17/96b: "- - - He (Allah*) is well acquainted with His servants, and He sees (all things)". See 2/233h above.

132 17/97b: "It is he whom Allah guides (= he who lives according to the Quran*), that is on true guidance - - -." See 17/94a and 17/94b and not least 7/192a and 16/107 above.

133 17/97g: "- - - he whom Allah leaves astray - for such wilt thou (man*) find no protector besides Him (Allah*)". At least as far as believers in Yahweh go, the Bible disagrees.

##134 17/97l: "- - - We (Allah*) shall increase for them (non-Muslims*) the fierceness of the (Hell*) Fire". Is this another indication for that the real ruler of Hell is Allah? What kind of good and benevolent god is he in case?

##135 17/97m: "- - - We (Allah*) shall increase for them (non-Muslims*) the fierceness of the (Hell*) Fire". - or (see 17/97l just above) is it a slip of the tongue of Allah, proving he is from the dark forces who rule Hell? Perhaps a dressed up Iblis/Devil cheating Muhammad? (Muhammad would have no chance to see the difference.)

136 17/99a: "See they (non-Muslims*) not that Allah, Who created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth, has power to create the like of them (anew)?". Impossible to see as long as it is not proved that Allah really created the heavens and the earth - and especially when you see lots of errors in the teaching in addition.

####137 17/99b: "See they (non-Muslims*) not that Allah, Who created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth, has power to create the like of them (anew)?". This is a debate technique you meet many places in the Quran and from Muslims: They take a loose claim, treat it like a proved fact, and use it as basis for "logical" conclusions. Such "conclusions" are totally without logical or factual value, but they look logical. To reveal the cheating you do not attack the invalid conclusion, because the logic itself may be ok, but show that the claim they build the logic and the conclusion on, is invalid as it is not a proved fact.

138 17/99e: "- - - (Allah*) has the power to create the like of them (people*) (anew) - - -". Often claimed in the Quran, never proved anywhere. See 6/2b, 11/7a above and 21/56c below.

139 17/99g: "- - - He (Allah*) has decreed a term appointed - - -". The predestination once more: Allah has decided a fixed time for it - and no-one can change his Plan, according to the Quran. PS: What then about free will for man?

140 17/99h: “- - - of which there is no doubt - - -”. With this many mistakes - something like three or four only of wrong facts pr. page in our copy of the book when you count just the surely mistaken facts - there is nothing in the Quran about which there can be no doubt, unless it is really proved correct. And nearly nothing in the book is proved. A last day will come for man, but it is highly unlikely it will be like described in the Quran.

141 17/101c: “To Moses We (Allah*) did give nine Clear Signs - - -.” According to the Bible he got his staff cum snake, his hand which became not only white, but leprous, when he put it into his cloak, and then healed the next time he put it into his cloak (2. Mos. 4/3-7) + water turning to blood on the ground (2. Mos. 4/9) + 10 plagues (2. Mos. chapters 7-11) = 13 “signs”. (Or really only 3 signs + 10 plagues). Which book is most reliable – if any?

###142 17/103b: “- - - We (Allah*) did drown him (Pharaoh Ramses II) and all who were with him.” The pitiful fact is that we know from history that Ramses II did not drown. He even did not die until some years after possible the exodus, according to history.

10/92: “This day (the same as in 17/103*) shall We (Allah*) save thee in the body - - -“. The Quran mainly tells that the Pharaoh did drown (even though Pharaoh Ramses II did not die from drowning, and not until some years later than when science says the Exodus took place – if it took place). But here either that is contradicted – or Allah in reality broke his own promise of “saving the Pharaoh in the body”, which should mean “bodily”, “safely”.

143 17/105e: "- - - and We (Allah*) sent thee (Muhammad*) but to give Glad Tidings and to warn (sinners)". This was in Mecca before he gained military strength. After he became stronger, he - and his successors - forgot (?) that their duty only was to warn. Besides: No omniscient god ever sent a representative preaching so many wrong facts, contradictions, etc.

145 17/106a: “- - - a Quran which We (Allah*) have divided - - -“. If any omniscient god has had anything at all to do with a sorry quality work like making or “sending down” the Quran with all its errors, etc., Islam will have to prove it.

146 17/108a: “And they (Jews and Christians when they hear the Quran*) say: ‘Glory to our Lord! Truly has the promise of our Lord been fulfilled!” Made up propaganda. See 17/107a above.

147 17/108b: "Truly has the promise of our Lord been fulfilled!” This refers to Muhammad's claim that he is foretold in the Bible. As there is no foretelling about him there (see 7/157e above), this claim simply is wrong. (It also is a made up claim. Even the Quran makes it clear that the Jews - there were few Christians around - did not believe him).

148 17/108c: “And they (Jews and Christians) say: “Glory to our Lord! Truly has the promise of our Lord been fulfilled!” As for the likeliness that this is true, see 17/107a above. But Islam (in this case “The Message of the Quran”) tells that it may refer to all the mentioning of Muhammad in the Bible (of which we have found none that is not just wishful statements which are obviously wrong – see “Muhammad in the Bible?” in http://1000mistakes.com or in our Book A: "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran"), but that it most likely means joy for finally getting the Quran, which Allah had promised and now finally had sent. There is no reference to a promise of something like the Quran in the Bible, and Jews and Christians at all times did reckon the Quran to be so wrong and so distant from the Bible, that it was not even heresy. Verse 107 and 108 simply are fairy tales made up to back up Muhammad - a not unusual technique to use by emerging new sects or religions. It may be based on a few converts at that time, or free fantasy - dishonesty happens when new religions and sects are made. And later.

The treatment Muhammad later found "necessary" of the Jews also proves this claim wrong.

149 17/109: “They (Jews and Christians*) fall down on their faces in tears (when they hear the Quran*)”. As dishonest as 17/107 and 17/108 above - but then dishonesty is a part of Islam (f.x. al-Taqiyya - the lawful lie, Kitman - the lawful half-truth, broken words/promises/oaths (if necessary against expiation), and betrayal/deceit all are accepted "if necessary" or "if it will give a better result").

This is one more of the places where Muhammad knew he was lying in the Quran. Perhaps one or a very few did this, even though it is highly unlikely and not documented (except that a few converted to Islam, but not necessarily through tears), but "they" (= all or at least the majority) simply no.

150 17/110b: "- - - the Most Beautiful Names - - -". Allah is said to have 99 names (+ one), all of which Islam claims to be the most beautiful names. Read the surahs from Medina and a couple of very unjust sharia laws, and see if names like "most merciful", "most wise", etc. ring true.

###151 17/110c: "- - - the Most Beautiful Names - - -". Is it a co-incidence that Muhammad did not include the name "Yahweh" among the claimed 99 names of Allah? This even though he claimed Yahweh just was another name for Allah?

152 17/110d: "Neither speak thy (Muslims'*) Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between". To Yahweh you can even pray silently inside yourself - there is nothing like this sentence in the Bible. The same god?

153 17/110e: "Neither speak thy (Muslims'*) Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between". But why pray at all? If everything is predestined like the Quran states many places, and impossible to change, prayer is just a waste of time and effort - and the same are sacrifices.

154 17/111a: "Praise be to Allah - - -". Please read 1/1a above and see if you think he deserves any praise.

#155 17/111c: “- - - and has no partner in (His) dominion - - -”. Well, Islam says that Allah is the same god as Yahweh. If we discuss from that hypothetical statement just here and say Allah = Yahweh: In the very old Hebrew religion there was a female partner/wife of Yahweh - his Amat (source: New Scientist and at least two others). In the strictly masculine Semitic culture the Amat was forgotten over the centuries. But maybe she still existed all the same at the time of Muhammad - and maybe even today? Also see 25/2 and 72/3 below.

156 17/111d: "- - - His (Allah's*) greatness and glory!" No comments - but see 1/1a above.

3481 + 156 = 3637 remarks.


Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".

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