1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 13

 

SURAH 13: Ar-Ra'd (The Thunder)

(Year unknown)

 

001  "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 13/1e: “- - - the Book: that which hath been revealed unto thee (Muhammad*) - - -". Well, was it revealed to Muhammad - or did he just claim so? At least no book that full of mistakes, contradictions, invalid logic, unclear texts, etc. is from a god. And no really good and benevolent god believing in honesty, would use a harsh warlord who on top of all accepted and practiced dishonesty as working tools, for his representative.

003 13/1i: "- - - but most men believe not". A reasonable percentage of them - f.x. the majority of the Jews - because they saw that something was seriously wrong in Muhammad's teaching.

####004 13/2b: “Allah is He Who raised the heavens (plural and wrong*) without any pillars that ye can see: - - -”. A Muslim information organization was in ca. 2007 asked to explain this sentence. They replied not 100% politely, that anyone with an IQ of 60 or more had to understand that this meant that the pillars did not exist. The person who asked, replied that he knew the difference between non-existent and invisible - the meaning in the sentence above is “invisible” - and asked them please to give him a real explanation. They never answered.

There exist no pillars - visible or invisible. And actually the idea is ridicules, as there exists no material heaven which needs to be kept in position - the heaven we see is just an optical illusion. Any god - even small ones - would know this, but Muhammad naturally not. Then who made the Quran?

Besides no man or animal or bird has ever banged into such an invisible pillar – and no plane collided with one. Also see 31/10b below.

005 13/2e: "- - He (Allah*) is firmly established on the Throne (of Authority) - - -". Similar often claimed, but never proved. It also is contradicted by the Bible, which says it is Yahweh who has authority. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

006 13/2g: “He (Allah*) has subjected the sun and the moon (to His Law!) - - - ”. Natural laws are integrated parts of the nature, until someone proves this is wrong. No god or prophet has ever proved that - it remains to be seen if Islam is able to do so. Also see 11/7a above.

007 13/2j: "He (Allah*) doth regulate all affairs - - -". = Allah decides everything (and this he does by predestining every detail in life and in the world according to his unchangeable Plan according to other verses in the Quran). Often claimed, never proved.

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008 13/2l: “- - - (Allah*) explaining the Signs in detail - - -“. Wrong and/or logically invalid “explanations” in reality are not explanations at all – even if they were in detail, which they in many cases are not. But it tells a lot that Islam and Muslims in spite of declarations like this from Allah, uses claims about difficult to understand language and difficult to understand explanations and stories, as a reason for why they have to explain what Allah in his bumbling and inapt helplessness has been unable to explain in a way people understand. But then of course Muslim believers, imams, etc. are more intelligent and knowledgeable than Allah, and thus better able to give correct and understandable stories and explanations.

BUT THE MOST SIGNIFICANT AND THE FOR ISLAM MOST DESTROYING FACT HERE IS THAT THE QURAN/ALLAH TELLS THAT EVERYTHING IS EXPLAINED IN DETAIL - AND REMEMBER THAT SIMILAR IS SAID SEVERAL PLACES IN THE QURAN. THIS FOR ONE THING MEANS THAT ALLEH MEANS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAYS IN THE QURAN - HE HAS EXPLAINED EVERYTHING IN DETAIL. WHICH MEANS THAT ALL TRIES FROM ISLAM TO EXPLAIN AWAY ERRORS, ETC. BY CLAIMS THAT "ALLAH MEANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT HE SAID", "THIS IS AN ALLEGORY, AND REALLY MEANS SOMETHING ELSE", ETC., ALL SUCH CLAIMS ARE KILLED AND DEAD - ALLAH EXPLAINED EVERYTHING IN DETAIL, AND THUS CORRECT. AND FOR ANOTHER: IF ALLAH EXPLAINED EVERYTHING EXACTLY AND IN DETAIL, WHAT HUMAN BEING IS ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT BETTER AND MORE CORRECTLY THAN A GOD? - AND WHAT HUMAN BEING KNOWS BETTER THAN A GOD WHAT THE GOD "REALLY" MEANT AND THUS CAN CORRECT THE GOD'S DETAILED EXPLANATION?

#########On the background of that Allah several places in the Quran tells that he explains everything in detail, all claims from Islam and Muslims that he "in reality means something else" are invalid al-Taqiyyas (lawful lies) if the Quran is reliable.

####009 13/2m: “- - - (Allah*) explaining the Signs in detail - - -“.This is a claim you frequently meet in the Quran: The claimed signs (Quran-speak for "Proof for Allah" or similar) and other things are explained in detail - and who can explain details better than an omniscient god? - not mere humans at least. (But is there anybody out there who can show us one single place in the Quran where a claimed sign is explained in detail? - first explained and proved why and how it is a sign for Allah and for nothing else, and secondly how it proves Allah or Islam or Muhammad’s connection to Allah - or even to any god at all?) Muhammad threw around a lot of claims about signs and even proofs and explanations. But not one of them is logically valid, as it never is proved that it really was Allah who caused the effects claimed to be signs or proofs - and not one of the "explanations" explains anything as they either just are loose words or are building in not proved claims. All these claimed signs and proofs and "explanations" are just claims and totally without value as proof and mostly also as indicia. And who is it who has to rely on invalid proofs and fast-talk? The cheat, the impostor, the swindler, the deceiver. In the Bible there at least are some proofs if the stories are true - in the Quran there is nothing.

No wonder blind belief (taqlid) and glorifications are in high esteem.

No wonder nonsense like "instinctive (intellectual) knowledge", etc. are words of honor.

No wonder the use of real knowledge and logic or asking logical questions are frowned at.

No wonder it is death penalty some places to make true comments about Muhammad - about the clay feet he built his religion on, his hollow moral, his use of dishonesty in words and deeds, his wrong facts, his contradictions, his lust for power and women, etc. - the man everything rests on.

################And all the same: The main fact in 13/2 all the same is not that things are wrong in its claim, but that the Quran claims that Allah here (and other places in the Quran) states that he has explained everything in detail and thus very correctly. This makes all claims from Islam and Muslims trying to "explain" away errors, etc. by claiming the words mean something else, are parables, etc. are invalid. When a god explain something in detail, #######no human can explain things better, and #######no human can know better than a god what the god "really" meant.

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#010 13/3a: “And it is He (Allah*) Who spread out the earth, - - -”. Similar things are said some places in the Quran - the earth is flat and spread out. It may be round or roundish, but like a pancake, not like a sphere. This was the geography of the Arabs at the time of Muhammad - though it hardly was the geography of any god. (There is one translator to English who says “egg-shaped” – but it is a wrong translation (the Quran there talks about an ostrich's nest on the flat ground, but the translator says it is about an ostrich's egg). All the same he often is quoted by Muslims – some may honestly want to believe him, others know they are using “al-Taqiyya” – the lawful lie - which is an integrated part of Islam (but of none other of the big religions)).

#011 13/3b: “And He (Allah*) it is Who spread out the earth - - - ”. Allah or the nature - most likely the nature, because the nature has made the Earth a sphere, whereas Muhammad/the Quran believes it is flat. Verily we do consider that to make such a mistake makes it a very suspect “sign” for Allah.

012 13/3c: “And He (Allah*) it is Who spread out the earth - - - verily in these things there are Signs for those who consider”. There had been, if Muhammad had documented it really was Allah who did it.

It also is a bit ironic that wrong geography - flat Earth - is a sign for Allah. There are a few like this in the Quran.

013 13/3e: "- - - set thereon (on the Earth*) mountains - - -". But the Arab word here translated with "set down" in reality means "dropped down" - the same word an Arab uses when he drops an anchor. But no mountain was ever neither dropped down, nor even set down. Without exception they all are either pushed up because of tectonic activity or grew up because of volcanism, the only 2 ways of making mountains. Any god had known - Muhammad not. Who made the Quran?

014 13/3f: “(Allah set on the Earth*) mountains standing firm - - - verily in these things are Signs for those who consider”. Mountains are not set, but grow - and they grow from tectonic or volcanic activity, not from the work of a god, unless a god proves this wrong. But the mission of the mountains according to the Quran, is that they stand firm and stabilizes Earth so it do not start wobbling and tips over. (Muslims normally claim the books means it stabilizes against earthquakes, but this is what the Quran really says, not earthquakes. Besides even this Muslims "explanation" is wrong - mountains have no stabilizing effect against earthquakes - on the contrary sometimes).

It also is a bit ironic that wrong geology - how to make mountains - is a sign for Allah. There are a few like this in the Quran.

##015 13/3g: "- - - and fruits of every kind He (Allah*) made in pairs. Two and two". This one we originally were reluctant to comment on - the mistake was so obvious, that we had to have overlooked something. We had not. Muslims try to explain away this big mistake, by guessing (!) that Muhammad must have meant that the plants and trees came in two sexes - which only partly is right as most do not - in most cases you find male and female parts on the same plant/tree and there are no "pairs, two and two". Besides Muhammad is not speaking about plants or trees, but about the fruits. On top of this the Quran itself states that its words are to be understood literally, and only the bad people look for hidden meanings in the book. (See f.x. 3/7 or 11/1b above.) But there literally are not pairs among most trees - most have both the male and the female parts and thus there is only one kind of each type of tree.

016 13/3h: “He (Allah*) draweth the Night as a veil o’er the Day - - - verily in these things are Signs for those who consider.” See 7/54 + 58. Besides: The night just is lack of light. Lack of something cannot be a veil - and lack of light can never hide sunshine. Some sign!

017 13/3i: "Behold, verily in these things are signs for those who consider!" Correct - all the mistakes only in this small verse are clear signs for those who consider - a clear message: Something is very wrong.

018 13/4a: “- - - yet some of them (fruits, etc., etc.*) We (Allah*) make more excellent than others to eat. Behold, verily in those things there are Signs for those who understand!” At least it is very easy to understand that Allah/Muhammad takes credit for a lot of natural things that happens by itself in nature, fields and orchards, without proving that he has even one finger in the game. Invalid as sign or proof until it is proved that Allah really is behind this.

019 13/4b: "Behold, verily in these things are signs for those who understand!" Correct - ####all the mistakes only in the small verse above are clear signs for those who consider and understand, not to mention those who consider all the errors and worse + the few(?) lies in the Quran - a clear message: Something is very wrong. Also see13/2m above.

A little flattery included. Who - especially among primitive and non-educated ones - do not like to be reckoned among "those who understand"?

############One has to be extremely naive or brainwashed not to consider the fact that a man who had a moral code which accepted and in some cases even promoted the use of dishonesty as working tools, and a man who wanted respect and power and women, not also could deceive his followers a little - or more.

020 13/5a: "If thou dost marvel (at their want of faith) - - -". No we do not. It is easy to understand that intelligence and real knowledge make it difficult to believe in a book with that much wrong, and told only by that kind of a man. But we marvel at the believers - not at their belief, because belief always is possible, especially by the naive, the uneducated ones with little knowledge, or the brain washed. But we marvel at many peoples' ability to believe without even checking the truth of what they believe in - yes, taking pride in believing without ever checking if what they believe in can be true! - taking pride in believing blindly without ever thinking over that blind belief is blind! "Taqlid". And as bad: Believing not because of proofs, but in spite of proofs of things being wrong! Sometimes a little flattery is all which is needed to make them take the bait.

021 13/5b "- - - strange is their (non-Muslim's*) saying - - -". It is not the least strange that people doubted and doubt bodily recreation. (But as the pleasures in Muhammad's heaven mainly were bodily ones, Muhammad needed recreation of the body.)

022 13/5c: "- - - a creation renewed - - -". A next life you find in most religion. The special thing with Islam is that the Quran claims you will be re-created bodily - Allah picks up all the atoms and fluids you were made from and puts it together again, and you enter Paradise - or Hell - in the same body you had here in this life. But also see 7/158i above.

Most of the pleasures in the Quran's Paradise are bodily pleasures - good food, good things to drink, nice house, nice clothes, a throne to sit on, nice shade, plenty of water, etc. + PLENTY of willing women/houris - and thus you have to be resurrected in body to be able to enjoy life in this Paradise. A primitive Paradise, but this plus his being a not too distant neighbor, is what Allah has to offer. Perhaps the maximum uneducated, rough, desert dwellers were able to dream about.

023 13/5d: "- - - their (non-Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". Only if Allah really exists and is a major god, and if the god the non-Muslim happen to believe in, is not a real one - f.x. Yahweh if he is real.

024 13/6c: "They (non-Muslims*) ask thee (Muhammad*) to hasten the evil - - -". Muhammad's surroundings asked him for proofs for his tales and his claimed god. One method was to dare him/his god to do things against them. Muhammad never was able to anything of this or in any other way prove his words or his contact with anything supernatural.

025 13/6f: "But verily thy (people's*) Lord (Allah*) is full of forgiveness for mankind - - -". See 1/1a above. Also Allah cannot forgive unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d above.

026 13/6i: "- - - wrong-doing - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

027 13/7d: "Why is not a Sign sent down to him (Muhammad*) from his Lord (Allah*)?". One of the many requests for a proof Muhammad never was able to answer in a real way - only by fast-talk and explaining it away. Also see 13/6b above.

028 13/7f: "But thou (Muhammad*) art truly a warner". In the beginning when Muhammad was military weak, he only was a warner, etc. When he became powerful, he - and his successors - also became enforcers.

029 13/7j: "- - - and to every people a guide". A guide as unreliable as Muhammad, with a guide-book like the Quran, is not much reliable.

030 13/8: "Every single thing is before His (Allah's*) sight - - -". Allah sees - and knows - everything. See 2/233h above.

031 13/9a: "He (Allah*) knoweth the Unseen - - -". This expression is used with 2 different meanings in the Quran: 1). What you do not or cannot see. 2). What has not been seen yet - the future. Also see 2/233h above. We also may add that if Allah was involved in the delivery of the Quran, it proves that he far from knows everything, included far from all which is "unseen".

032 13/9b: "He (Allah*) is the Great, the most High". Often claimed, never proved - and one of the many claims any believer in any religion can use on behalf of his/her gods free of charge, as long as no proof is required".

##033 13/11a: "For every (such person (here in reality everybody*)) there are (angels) in succession (= working shifts*), before and behind him - - -". Remember this and similar verses each time the Quran or a Muslim tells you that angels could not visit Muhammad and prove to his followers and doubters and opponents that he spoke the truth, because the sending down of angels meant that the Day of Doom had arrived.

034 13/11b: "Verily never will Allah change the condition of a people until they change it themselves (with their own souls) - - -". But how can they change anything themselves, if it is true that Allah decides and predestines absolutely everything and according to an unchangeable Plan, like the Quran states many places? (For Muhammad it was essential to make Allah seem fair by claiming that man had free will and thus himself was to blame for bad deeds. But the good Muhammad was never able to combine this with another claim he needed to have many and daring warriors; predestination. Even Islam admits it is not possible to combine the two (but claims very lamely, that all the same it must be true as it is said so in the Quran - it is beyond the incredible what believers are able to believe if they just want to believe it (if it is Iblis/the Devil who is behind the Quran, perhaps he knew what he did anyhow.)

035 13/11e: "- - - nor will they (non-Muslims*) find beside Him (Allah*) any to protect". Well there is the ever recurring fact that the Bible says Yahweh is a good protector. And if the old books tell the truth, Yahweh has proved his existence and power, Allah not.

036 13/12a: “It is He (Allah*) Who doth show you the lightning - - -”. An impressive natural phenomenon which many gods like to be the masters of - but Allah does not prove it any more than the other pretenders, like f.x. Thor (the Old Norse god of war - like Islam the religion of the old Vikings was a religion of war, and the lightning was a symbol for the war god Thor). Also see 11/7a above.

037 13/12b: "- - - it is He (Allah*) Who doth raise the clouds, heavy with (fertilizing) rain". Yet another natural phenomenon which all and every religion claim for its god(s) - just like Muhammad and the Quran. And as normal for Muhammad: Never a proof - only claims based on nothing. Also see 11/7a above.

#038 13/13a: “- - - the thunder repeateth His praises, and so do the angels - - -“. Hardly – the thunder is just a natural and automatic reaction to the lightning (which again is natural and automatic reactions to electrical charges). Islam will have to prove that the thunder – vibrations in the air - has enough brain to be able to prize Allah in this way, in order to be believed. A case of animism (animism is typical mainly for primitive religions and fairy tales). And the angels? - perhaps. If they exist and if Allah exists and is a god. Also see 11/7a above.

039 13/13aa: "- - - therewith (thunderbolts*) He (Allah*) striketh whomsoever He will". Wrong. Thunderbolts strictly go by the natural laws. A thunderbolt striking Earth, without exception strikes the highest point able to conduct electricity. Allah(?) thus ONLY is able to strike you if you happen to be the highest point able to conduct electricity in the neighborhood.

040 13/13b: "Yet these (are the men) who (dare to) dispute about Allah - - -". It takes very little guts to dispute and doubt a claimed god you very honestly believe is a made up one, especially as the doubt and dispute are based on the proved facts, which for one thing the only basis for the belief in him is a book of a sorrowful quality so full of mistakes, etc. that no god ever was involved in it, and for the other the man behind that book is described even in his own "holy" book as a morally no-good character liking power and money for more power and women - like so many such men through history. Psychologically the belief in Muhammad is worth a study in human ability for being duped by good words, superstition, feelings, fear, and wish for something strong to lean to, and for study of superstition's dominance over knowledge, logic and brain. Allah clearly is a dressed up, non-existing pagan god (al-Lah).

041 13/14a: “For Him (Allah*) (alone) is prayer in Truth - - -“. Yes, but only if Allah exists (and is the only god). There was a good reason why Muhammad demanded and glorified blind belief: There existed and exists no real proof and no documentation for the existence of Allah – or for that case for Muhammad’s connection to a god. Blind belief in Islam only is based on the words of a morally suspect man like Muhammad. (The real, historical Muhammad is only distantly related to the glorified saint Islam claims.)

042 13/14e: "- - - any others (other gods than Allah*) they call upon besides Him hear them (not*) - - -". Well, we are back to the question about Yahweh - the Bible says he hears and helps. And what about Allah? He has never given even one valid proof for that he hears anything.

043 13/14g: "- - - the prayer from those without Faith is nothing but (futile) wandering (in the mind)". If f.x. Yahweh exists - and both the Bible and the Quran claims he does (even though the Quran wrongly mixes him up with Allah) - this is wrong for believers in Yahweh. But what about Muslims? For one thing Allah never proved even his very existence, and for another if he do exist, everything is predestined and cannot be changed = prayers have no effect.

044 13/15c: “- - - so (prostrate themselves for Allah*) do their (the living beings’*) shadows in the mornings and evenings”. Animism - normally to be found in primitive religions and in fairy tales. Who has seen all kinds of animals, included worms and slugs and mosquitoes and horses and elephants turn towards Mecca and prostrate themselves 5 times a day? - or even once a day? And shadows are just lack of sunlight – and they for natural reasons are long and flat in the mornings and the evenings. Islam will have to prove that this result of the Earth’s spin in the sunshine makes the lack of sunlight some places have enough brain to consciously decide to prostrate “themselves” for a god (if it is not a willed act, it has no religious meaning). If no proofs are produced, this clearly is a fairy tale on an intellectual level fit for small children. Also see 16/48b+c below.

Worth a laugh or is the claim too far out even for that?

045 13/16a: "Who is the Lord and Sustainer of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth? Say: '(It is) Allah". One more of the undocumented claims in the Quran. Claims anyone in any religion can use on behalf of his or her god(s) free of charge. There are so many of these in the book and they are so easy to see, that it just is to go hunting for them and you will find more. Also see 11/7a above.

046 13/16d: "Do ye (non-Muslims*) then take (for worship) protectors other than Him (Allah*), such as have no power for either good or for harm to themselves?" Well, for one thing so much of what is written in the Quran is wrong, that also this claim may be wrong. And for another it is difficult to forget the question of Yahweh - after all a proved god if the old books tell the truth, whereas nothing is proved about Allah.

047 13/16e: "- - - such (false gods*) as have no power either for good or for harm to themselves". See 13/14c and 13/14d above. The troubling question is: Is Allah among these? - he only - only - comes from a book with lots of mistakes, told by a man with very doubtful moral, but with strong lust for power, money for bribes and for women. (Drop the big, glorifying words and read the rest in the Quran, and you find the real Muhammad behind the glittering propaganda - demands, introduced moral code, and deeds are far more reliable that saintly verbal portraits "painted" by a dictator himself.

#048 13/16f: "Are the blind equal with those who see?". In reality no - something those should remember who glorify blind belief, especially if they at the same time slander the ones able to see, and not least able to think.

#049 13/16g: "Or (is*) the depth of darkness equal with Light?" There is much darkness in a war religion with a partly immoral moral code - and little light in a "holy" book not from a god.

050 13/16i: "- - - as He (Allah*) has created - - -". The irony here is that there only are words and claims for that Allah created anything at all - not as much as the creation of the tip of a comma is proved. Also see 6/2b and 11/7a above and 21/56c below.

051 13/16j: "Allah is the Creator of all things - - -". The only things which till now are proved Allah perhaps has created, are lots of words - many of them wrong - lots of war and a partly horribly immoral moral code. Well, it is wrong to say it is proved to be Allah's work - it only is proved to come from Muhammad (and actually they are not even proved from him, as there also exists no real proof for that Muhammad has existed. You will find scientists who believe he is a fiction made up to be a central figure in a then new war religion). Also see 6/2b and 11/7a above and 21/56c below.

052 13/16k: "He (Allah*) is the One, the Supreme and Irresistible." Similar often claimed, never proved - and like so much in the Quran, it is claims any priest in any religion can make free of charge on behalf of his god(s), as long as no proofs are required - words are that cheap.

053 13/17b: “Thus doth Allah (by parables) show forth - - -”. Can it really be an omniscient god that shows forth so many mistakes? Nyet – a good English word which means no with some lines under.

054 13/17c: “- - - show forth Truth and Vanity.” That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. As said before: The Quran can at very best only be partly true. Also see 2/2b above.

055 13/18c: "But those who respond not to Him (Allah*) (are lost*)." Often claimed, never proved. See 13/18a above.

056 13/19a: "(Is a good Muslim*) like one who is blind?" Blind belief often is stronger blindness than blind eyes. Besides: Who is worst off - the one blindly believing in wrong facts like Muslims, or the one checking his facts?

057 13/19c: “- - - that which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord (Allah*) - - -”. No god reveals a book with those much wrong contents. Also see 13/1f above.

058 13/19d: “- - - that which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord (Allah*) is the Truth, - - - “. Well, at best it is partly true - as said before.

059 13/19f: "(Is a good Muslim not better than') one who is blind?" A rhetoric question with an intended obvious answer. But the correct answer is completely dependent on two other questions and their answers: Is the Quran from a god? - and does it in addition tell the full truth and only the truth?

A sample of the value of a Muslim: Wall Street Journal, 9. April 2002. Compensation - also named "blood money" - for killing or in other ways causing a person's death in Saudi Arabia, was as follows:

100.ooo riyals if the victim is a Muslim man.

50.ooo riyals if the victim is a Muslim woman.

50.ooo riyals if the victim is a Christian man.

25.ooo riyals if the victim is a Christian woman.

6.666 riyals if the victim is a Hindu man.

3.333 riyals if the victim is a Hindu woman.

No comment necessary. A Muslim man is f.x. worth 33 Hindu women. Still no comment necessary - except that this is completely in line with the Quran and with the judicial and moral codes in Muslim culture.

Non-Muslims and especially "Pagans": Declare you are Muslim before you are killed. This will give your children more money to survive on.

060 13/19g: "(Is a good Muslim not better than') one who is blind?" The recurring question: Who is most blind ? - the one with little knowledge but honestly searching the truth, or the one with wrong knowledge?

061 13/19-22: In these verses are listed some of the good things which characterize a good Muslim - the black "good" sides of a good Muslim are omitted.

062 13/21: "- - - (that*) which Allah hath commanded - - -". This can only be true if Allah exists and has power - - - ###############and if he has accepted a covenant, something which is nowhere proved.

063 13/22b: "- - - establish regular prayers - - -". What for? - if Allah has predestined everything years and decades and more ago, prayers cannot have any effect. (And the same to f.x. forgiving or fasting.)

##064 13/22c: "- - - establish regular prayers - - -". This - the 5 prayers a day - is one of the most central demands from Allah in Islam - one of the 5 "pillars". In the Bible such a demand is not mentioned one single time even though the Bible has 4-5 times as much text as the Quran - such formalism is totally without interest for Yahweh. One of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

065 13/22d: "- - - what We (Allah*) have bestowed for their sustenance - - -". It of course is Allah who makes the food grow. But see 11/72 above.

066 13/23–24a: “Gardens of perpetual bliss: they (Muslims*) shall enter there, as well as the righteous among their fathers, their spouses, and their offspring - - - how excellent is the final Home.” Primitive people may think in 2-4 generations like here, but nowhere in the Quran is told how family life a la Earth is to be arranged for 40 or 100 generations - are f.x. all staying together in one mix?. Neither is there anywhere said anything about how the ones who died as babies or children or mentally retarded will fare in Paradise – will they stay babies or children or retarded for ever to your pleasure (the Quran has a tendency to see things only from the points of view of the main persons: The adult men and warriors) or will they grow up or will they be resurrected as young adults or how? - and what about their families? - and what f.x. about the mentally retarded?

No matter – these may be problems possible to solve for a god. But the Muslim Paradise still is just a copy of life for rich people in this world, as seen through the eyes of poor and primitive male desert dwellers and polygamists. Is this all an omniscient and omnipotent god has to offer?

##067 13/23–24b: “Gardens of perpetual bliss: they (Muslims*) shall enter there, as well as the righteous among their fathers, their spouses, and their offspring - - - how excellent is the final Home.” And all shall live in luxury - and plenty of sex for the men. Totally incompatible with the Bible, and at least a 110% proof for that with so different paradises, Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - in Yahweh's paradise you "will be like angels" (f.x. Luke 20/36).

068 13/25a: "But those who break the Covenant with Allah (leave Islam*) - - - on them is the Curse, for them is the terrible Home". See 3/77b and 13/20 above.

069 13/25c: "- - - after having pledged their words - - -". There are few things as serious as for a Muslim to leave Islam. The penalty may be severe. "No compulsion in religion".

070 13/26a: "Allah doth enlarge, or grant by (strict) measure, the Sustenance (which He giveth) to whomso He pleaseth." It is Allah who decides if you are to be rich or poor, or have a good or a difficult life - and the hidden meaning behind such sentences often is: As it is Allah who in his unfathomable knowledge has decided it so, then be satisfied with what you get and wait for rewards in the claimed next life. At least a very nice rule for rulers who do not want demanding or unsatisfied voices from their subordinates.

071 13/27d: “The Unbelievers say: ’Why is not a Sign sent down to him (Muhammad*) from his Lord (Allah*)?” Signs were dearly needed and would clearly have meant something - but Muhammad was unable to deliver one. Did not Allah want? Or was Muhammad not really his representative? Or was Allah a fiction? Who knows as long as nothing is proved? - it is possible to believe, especially if one wants to, but there is no knowledge without a proof - this also goes for religion. (Also see f.x. 13/7a and 13/7c above.)

###072 13/27e: (A13/48 - in the English 2008 edition 13/49): "- - - their (humans'*) original, innate faculty to realize the existence of Allah and their own dependence of His guidance - - -". Science has nowhere and to no time found such an "innate faculty" concerning any god. This includes all Islamic universities and other Islamic research centers. (Guess if Muslim newspapers and others had had big letters on their front pages if such a faculty had ever been found!) But Islam needs arguments even like this, as there is no clear documentation for any of their central religious claims, and they need confirmation. Scientifically this is not even "gobbledygook". Dishonesty.

073 13/27h: "Truly Allah leaveth to stray, whom He will - - -". For comparison; "the lost lamb", "the 11. hour" etc. in NT (Luke 15/8-10 or 15/11-31, Matt. 18/12-14 or 20/8-13).

074 13/28b: “- - - for without doubt in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find satisfaction”. This only is true for (some) Muslims, and in difficult times also some others seeking comfort in religion. Science tells that a minor fraction of the people (may be 5 - 10%) has an internal drive for a god - for something strong to lean to - and some more resort to such thinking when life is difficult. (In 2006 or 2007 they even found which gene in our DNA which produces this drive. One theory is that religion is favored by evolution because it makes the group closer knit and then the chances for survival bigger). These people find satisfaction in their religion - no matter which religion - if they do believe in it. And if they happen to be Muslims, they then find satisfaction in Allah. But NB: The satisfaction does not derive from the god they believe in – he/she may well be a fiction, like Allah seems to be (strongly indicated by all the mistakes in the Quran) – but from their own belief, as it is strong enough to make them feel sure it is right, and then feel secure in that security (false or not does not matter, as long as they themselves believe their belief is right). There is a possibility that this feeling of security, and hence safety and reduced nervousness, is another Darwinian reason for this inherited trait – it may in some way give an edge in the fight for survival.

The question these ideas of course produce is: Is there a god somewhere or are they all made up from our needs for something supernatural? What is sure here, is f.x. that all the errors, contradictions, etc. in the Quran, give many and strong at least circumstantial and empirical proofs - so many and so strong that the sum of them is a proof of mathematical strength - for that the book is from no god, and thus that it is highly likely that Allah is a made up god - this even more so as he originally was a pagan god - al-Lah - whom Muhammad took over and dressed up. And if he all the same exists, it is highly unlikely he is correctly described in a book full of wrong facts and other errors.

We should try to find out, because if it all stems from inside us, we should try to do something with the inhuman and immoral religions, to which Islam belongs - remember the basis for all inter-human real moral; "Do onto others what you want others do onto you". Few religions are further away from this than Islam.

075 13/29a: "For those who work righteousness, is (every) blessedness, and a beautiful place of (final) return". If the Quran is from a god and in addition tells only the truth, but the full truth, this is nice. But where does this leave the Muslims even in this case? - some parts of f.x. their moral code and their rules for aggression and war are horrible and has nothing to do with real righteousness (even though Muslims are so used to these rules and codes themselves, that they honestly think they are glorious).

And where it leaves the Muslims if the Quran is not the full and only truth, but there all the same is a next life, we refrain from mentioning.

076 13/30b: "- - - a People before whom (long since) have (other) People (gone and) passed away - - -". = The Arabs. Folklore told that tribes like the 'Ad and Thamud had lived there before - and Muhammad claimed they had all been killed by Allah because of sins against him, and that the Arabs had inherited their places - - - and had to be obedient to Allah - and to Muhammad - not to risk the same fate.

077 13/30d: "- - - what We (Allah*) send down (the Quran*) - - -". No god ever sent down a book with may be unbelievable 3000 mistakes and other errors - it is an insult and heresy against any god to accuse him for that.

078 13/30e: "- - - what We (Allah*) send down (the Quran*) unto thee (Muhammad*) - - -". As no god sent down the Quran, also no god sent it down to Muhammad.

079 13/30g: "- - - what We (Allah*) send down (the Quran*) unto thee (Muhammad*) by inspiration - - -". To get - or claim to get - revelations by inspiration, is very convenient. Nobody can check on it and nobody can check from where the claimed inspirations come. Add a man with questionable morality according to Islamic books (read the reality, not the flowering words), and one starts thinking. But it is remarkable that the Biblical prophets never got messages by means of inspiration - in stark contradiction to what Muhammad claimed - - - as normal without ever documenting his claims. The Biblical prophets god their messages by direct contact, visions, or dreams. Another indication for that Yahweh and Allah were not the same god.

080 13/30h: "- - - yet do they (non-Muslims*) reject (Him (Allah*)) - - -". Not strange as many saw things were seriously wrong in Muhammad's new religion.

081 13/30i: "There is no god but He (Allah*)!" Often claimed, never proved. See 2/255a and 6/106b above.

082 13/30k: "On Him (Allah*) is my (Muhammad's*) trust, and to Him do I turn!" A bit risky as there never was a proof for his existence and never any kind of sure manifestation. May be the trust in Allah was the reason for why Muhammad lost all his children - included the sons Qasim, Abdullah, and Ibrahim - except Fatima, and she died shortly after him? Or maybe it was punishments for lies against a god - for lies about Allah - if the Quran was made up by him? And may be that was why he died in a ways which made lasting rumors of poisoning? - in line with the fact that of the next 11 caliphs, only Abu Bakr died a natural death, and he after just a short reign?

083 13/31a: “If there ever was a Quran with which mountains were moved - - - (it would be this one)“. Well, hitherto the Quran itself has not moved even one grain of sand. It has guided or misguided many humans, and they have done things, but the Quran itself has done nothing. Similar claim in 59/21.

084 13/31c: "- - - had Allah (so) willed - - -". There are many sentences like this in the Quran - but Allah never willed. Bluffs?

085 13/31d: "- - - the command is with Allah in all things!" = Allah decides everything - we in reality are back to his claimed predestination and Plan. Often claimed, never proved. There actually are strong circumstantial proofs for that the quoted words are wrong.

086 13/31f: "Do not the Believers know - - -". Nobody knows much concerning the Quran and Islam. You do not really know things which are not in some way proved true - by man or by nature. You may believe, and believe so strongly that you believe you know, but you do not know. And it is even worse as one knows the book is full of errors and thus very unreliable.

In Islam many Muslims believe and believe strongly - so much so that they think it is knowledge. But if it is not in some way proved true, it only is belief, not knowledge.

087 13/31i: "- - - He (Allah*) could have guided all mankind - - -". Not with a guidebook like the Quran - too much is wrong, included partly horrible moral code. (Actually it may be the moral code which makes many react negatively to the religion and its members - dishonest (stealing/looting/extorting), too aggressive, too bloody, too self centered, too haughty and discriminating. There also is reason to react at its acceptance of verbal dishonesty/al-Taqiyya, etc., but most non-Muslims do not know about that part).

088 13/31j: "- - - He (Allah*) could have guided all mankind - - -". If this were true, it would tell volumes about the good and benevolent god who instead sends the majority of the humanity - and jinns - to Hell, (by means of his predestination).

089 13/31k: "- - - (- - - the Right) - - -". In this case it means "to Islam" or "to Paradise". But beware that when the Quran uses this word, it normally is meant "right" according to its own partly immoral moral code - and that makes one start thinking when the book uses "right" as a name for Islam.

090 13/31l: "But the Unbelievers - never will disaster cease to seize them for their (ill) deeds". Obviously wrong if Muhammad meant in this world - most non-Muslims not to mention "the People of the Book" (Jews and Christians) live an ok life. As for the possible next life Muhammad never had anything but claims to offer, and even those claims are contradicted by the Bible when it comes to believers in Yahweh. (Other religions must talk for themselves). Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

091 13/31n: "- - - (ill) deeds - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is meant in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. To refuse to go to war and steal, enslave and kill for Muhammad/the leader was - and is - a very ill deed.

092 13/31p: "- - - for, verily, Allah will not fail In His promise". Quite likely not - if he exists, if the Quran is from him, and if the book tells the full truth and only the truth about him and everything else. But there is not reported one single case where it is proved that Allah kept or even given a promise. Guess if such a case had showed up in Muslim propaganda if it had ever happened!

093 13/32d: "- - - I (Allah*) granted respite to the Unbelievers, and finally I punished them - - -". Muhammad's standard explanation for why non-Muslims often had a better life than Muslims: For some reason or other Allah in his unfathomable wisdom had chosen to do it like that - but mind you; sooner or later he was to punish them - if not before, then in the claimed next life. And if there is a next life, and if Allah is the ruler there, and if the Quran has told the truth and only the truth at least about him, it may be true.

094 13/33c: "Is then He (Allah*) - - - (like all the others) - - -". Difficult to say, because of no reliable information. But if he does not exist, he is like all other non-existing, made up gods. He is no real god if he is behind the Quran - too much is wrong there. If he exists and belongs to the dark forces, he may be like others from those forces.

095 13/33f: "- - - something He (Allah*) knoweth not - - -?" A rhetoric question, as Allah knows absolutely everything - - - if he exists, is a central god and is correctly described in the Quran - a book full of mistaken facts, etc.

Actually if the Quran is from Allah, it proves that there are lots of things he does not know.

096 13/33h: "- - - the Path". = The claimed road to the Quran's and Islam's Paradise. See 10/9f above.

097 13/33i: "And those whom Allah leaves to stray - - -". WHAT A DIFFERENCE COMPARED TO NT'S "THE LOST LAMB" AND "THE 11TH HOUR". The Yahweh and Allah same god? Simply NO.

098 13/35a: “The parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised! – beneath it flow rivers: perpetual is the enjoyment thereof and the shade therein - - -”. As said: Muhammad's Paradise is like the life of the very rich here on earth + more water and women, as seen through the eyes of primitive and poor male dwellers of a hot desert. But Allah should be the god of the entire world and all people. And why such a primitive paradise? – because as paradises come, this is a primitive one, and in the long run also a very boring one.

The many and fundamental differences between Yahweh's (where you become like the angels) and the one of Allah is one of the many absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, the Paradise had been one and the same.

099 13/35b: "- - - Garden - - - beneath it flow rivers - - -". The most frequently used Arabism in the Quran - the geography of paradise is like a desert dweller's dream.

100 13/35c: "- - - such (in paradise) is the End of the Righteous - - -". Yes, if the Quran is from a god and tells the truth. But the Quran with all its errors is not from a god - and with all its errors most of its tales also are errors.

101 13/36d: “Those to whom We (Allah*) have given the Book rejoice at what hath been revealed unto thee (Muhammad*) - - -". Clearly wrong if he was talking about the Jews and the few Christians in the area. That Muhammad had to murder and enslave or chase away most of the many Jews in the area, tells another and more sinister story than glossy claims.

If Muhammad's later treatment of them had not been so inhuman and horrible (suppression, extortion, robbing, enslaving, raping, torture, murder and mass murder), this claim had merited a sardonic laughter.

102 13/36ea: "- - - revealed unto thee (Muhammad*) - - -". Was it really revealed? - and in case by whom, as no god ever was involved in a book of that quality?

103 13/36h: "- - - unto Him (Allah*) is my (Muhammad's and any Muslim's*) return (on the Day of Doom*)". If Allah exists, is a major god and is correctly described in the Quran. Well, may be also in the case if he exists, but is part of the dark forces. This claim also is contradicted by the Bible, which tells it is to Yahweh one returns.

104 13/37b: “Thus We (Allah*) revealed it (the Quran*) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic.” A book with that many mistakes and contradictions, that much invalid logic, that inhuman moral code, and without ethical or moral philosophy, only a partly immoral moral code based on "what did Muhammad say or do in a similar situation?", is no basis for “judgment of authority”. If Muslims disagree, they will have to bring strong proofs to be believed. Similar claims in 2/101 – 4/170 – 6/115 – 9/48 -11/14 – 12/1 – 16/123 – 24/46.

#######105 13/37c: "- - - in Arabic". Arabic - the language mainly of primitive, uneducated nomadic desert tribes - was a strange language for a universal god to choose, and especially so at they did not have a complete alphabet at that time (the Arab alphabet was not completed until ca. 900 AD - it lacked the vowels and the small point which signify some letters in Arab - and it also lacked some other signs, f.x. the comma), so that it was impossible to write down exactly what was said - a problem for Islam even today, as in very many cases the original Arab text have 2 or more meanings, often very different, and it frequently is impossible to know exactly what was meant. Islam have evaded - not solved, but evaded - the problem by saying that all possible ways of understanding the texts which give logical meaning, are correct ones - even if the meanings as said may vary wildly. They call it "different ways of reading" because they do not like the expressions "different varieties" or "different versions", which in reality is the right name for it.

106 13/37e: "Wert thou (Muslim*) to follow their (non-Muslims'*) (vain) desires - - -". = If you as a Muslim will leave Islam - - -. This is a very serious crime in Islam - many places through the time it has merited death penalty, and if not at least social extrication (this is the case even today many places - but "no compulsion in religion"?).

107 13/37g: "- - - then wouldst thou (non-Muslim or one who has left Islam*) find neither protector nor defender against Allah." Not necessary unless he exists - beware that he may exist in the dark forces, even if he cannot be a god if he is behind something like the Quran.

108 13/38a: "We (Allah*) did send Messengers before thee (Muhammad*) - - -". According to Hadiths there have been 124ooo (and perhaps more) prophets before Muhammad - - - but with the exception of a few in Israel (from Yahweh) not one single has left one single trace of any kind anywhere in the world. Believe it if you want to.

109 13/38b: "We (Allah*) did send Messengers before thee (Muhammad*), and appointed for them wives and children - - -". We quote A1861: "All prophets of whom we have any detailed knowledge, except one (Jesus*), had wives and children (= Muhammad was a normal prophet also in this way - well, extra normal with 36 known women). But this claim needs a selective use of the expression "detailed knowledge". Not all prophets are known to have had wives - f.x. it is unlikely John the Baptist had a wife or children, and the same for f.x. Jonah - and for many material situation simply is not mentioned in the Bible. Also the Quran does not mention any wives for the claimed Arab prophets Hud, Salih, and Shu'ayb. Use the expression "detailed knowledge" selectively enough, and you get the answer you want.

But more dishonest her - a Kitman (lawful half-truth) - is that one does not mention that none - not one - of the prophets in the Bible had a big harem (beware that f.x. David and Solomon are kings, but not reckoned among the prophets in the Bible). Of claimed prophets only Muhammad had - science knows the name of 35 women who for shorter or longer time belonged to his harem (in addition there was Khadijah, but she died before he got a harem). Also in this way Muhammad does not belong in the line of Yahweh's prophets, not to mention Jesus, in Israel.

110 13/38d: “For each period is a book revealed”. Because times are changing, Islam claims that Allah has sent down new books now and then – to Abraham (a nomad some 1900 years BC hardly knew how to read and write), to Moses, to the later Jews, and to Jesus - a proof for that OT cannot have been falsified at the time of Jesus, as he as a good Muslim (according to the Quran) had "arrested" such a situation, (except that the scriptures in NT only came years after Jesus died) – and finally the Quran. Only some questions:

Homo Sapiens - modern man - is may be 200ooo years old (and there were humans or humanoids long before that). There is no trace of any book or of monotheism from all those years up to the next major step, that happened may be 60ooo+ (64ooo?) years ago. At that time something happened – nobody knows what – which, started Homo Sapiens on his course towards Modern Man (it is likely it happened somewhere in the western part of Asia, perhaps in the southern Caspian area). Then also no book up to the next major step: Agricultural Man 15ooo years ago, give or take a few thousand years – probably somewhere in the Middle East. No book and no trace of monotheism anywhere in the world. The next step: Towns. No books to regulate the life or religion for Homo Urbanus (man in town) – not until long time after towns and even cities had started to pop up, and still no trace of monotheism of any kind, not to mention Allah. The first traces of real monotheism – and later a book about a monotheistic god – came with the Jews (the name is used in a wide understanding chronologically). And even then it is highly unlikely that they had books before the period in Egypt (that Abraham had a book or books, is so unlikely that Islam will have to prove it if they will insist on that – it is extremely unlikely that a nomad of that time even knew how to read.) Also the Zoroastrians had a book, but this Muhammad did not know – at least not until late in his life. After that – and before the Quran – science knows about only one or two books (depending on whether you reckon the “Bible” of the Jews + NT to be one or two books) as basis for monotheism – add one if you include the Zoroastrians. (There also was a small, young monotheistic sect in Arabia at the time of Muhammad, but to our knowledge they had no holy book.)

During most those periods and eons there is found no traces of such a book or of monotheism in any kind of science: Archaeology (with a ?-mark for Akn-Aton and his sun god), literature, folklore, history, art, architecture. Islam will have to produce very strong proofs for the opposite – till now they just have produced cheap statements and even cheaper words - - - and not one real proof.

Worse: When there finally came a book after Muhammad’s heart, it only covered a tiny part of the world and a short period of time – whereas the Quran states that every people in all times have had their prophets and a similar book - similar because they all were copies of a claimed "Mother Book" in Heaven.

Worst: Islam tells that the reason why “the Book” had to be rejuvenated at intervals, was that the world and the societies changed (in addition to the never proved or documented claim that the Bible is falsified - which both science and Islam have proved wrong). But the world and the cultures and the societies have changed more the last 300 years – yes, even the last 100 years – than in all the 200ooo or more years before. Why do we not need a new book after all these changes? – if Allah is omniscient, he 13.7 billion or more years ago (when the universe was created) knew that at least parts of the Quran would be hopelessly inadequate (f.x. some laws) and too dangerous (f.x. atomic, chemical and bacteriological weapons combined with a most ruthless and inhuman war religion), not later than around 1950 AD. Ours is a period that really needs a book teaching love and peace among humans and nations – not hate and suppression and inhumanity and war (like f.x. the Quran and the religion of Genghis Khan and some other war religions).

And how could a book be "rejuvenated" if all were copies of the same claimed "Mother Book" written before the world was created or perhaps never written, but existed since eternity?

Also see 13/38e just below.

111 13/39a: "Allah doth blot out or confirm what He pleaseth - - -". If this refers to the claimed "mother book", this book is not unabridged from eternity like some Muslims claim (not all). It is not eternal if it is changeable. Islam is not eternal and unchangeable if the holy book is changeable. And there is no reason for Allah to revere - like Islam says - a book he can change as he pleases. If the claimed "Mother Book" can be changed, parts of the ground under Islam disappear. (And if it on top of all is not from any god - like all the errors, etc. in the book documents - all the ground under Islam disappears.)

When Muhammad abrogated points or verses from the Quran like he sometimes did, did that mean that Allah just had abrogated it in the claimed eternal "Mother of the Book" (= "the Mother of the Quran")? If not, how to explain the first and wrong version of the point/verse? But if Allah had abrogated the text in "the Mother of the Book", then the word "eternal" is a joke when connected to that book. And how could Allah revere a book so imperfect that he had to abrogate and/or change texts in it now and then? Something or other here is nonsense.

####112 13/39b: “- - - with Him (Allah*) is the Mother of the Book (the presumed original book of which the Quran - AND THE CLAIMED BOOKS OF ALL THE EARLIER PROPHES/MESSENGERS (INCLUDED CLAIMED PROPHETS AND MESSENGERS FROM BEFORE MAN LEARNT HOW TO READ) - is said to be an exact copy*)“. Mere humans like us think it is unlikely in the extreme that an omnipotent and omniscient god has a book awash with mistakes, contradictions, logically invalid claims, etc. as a revered "Mother of the Book" (= "Mother of the Quran") in his Heaven. There also are a lot of problems to explain, if it was made by the god a long time ago - not to mention if it is an unmade book that has existed forever, like many Muslims insists:

1: If the book is that old and existed before, why did the god have to send down claimed imperfect books - Torah, OT, NT? And NB: Science and Islam both have shown they are not falsified like Muslims claim (as normal for Islam without documentation).

2: How to explain that in some verses it is Muhammad that is speaking?

3: How to explain that angels are speaking in the Quran if the book is older than the first angels?

4: How to explain that the god sometimes has to change his message – erase it in the Mother Book and write something new? - and did he really get everything right in the book this time? Especially if he is copying the Mother Book he ought to get it right at once?

5: How could he change the messages, if it was all written a long time ago - or always existed - in a Mother Book he copied? Erasing something there and writing over?

6: How come that so many verses are answers or comments to things which happened in Mecca and Medina to Muhammad and during the life of Muhammad? - Muhammad f.x. quarreled with his wives, and Allah sent down surahs to explain that Muhammad as always was right - and like always a little bit too late to avert problem, but relevant to his needs just then? (Remember that if man has freedom of choice, full omniscience and thus also full clairvoyance is impossible - admitted even by Islam, except that they say it must be true all the same because Allah says so in the Quran (!!))

7: How to explain that it (the Quran) could have been written eons ago, if Allah has given the humans a certain amount of free will? - human acts will upset the texts in chaotic ways. (Predestination and human free will are 100% incompatible and 100% impossible to combine - as man always can change his mind once more, making it impossible for the god to know for sure what really will happen, until it happens. Even a millimeter of free will for man, after some time destroys Allah's precognition and predestination - the laws of chaos are that strong).

8: Islam says texts had to be changed a little over time, because times changes - therefore new holy books. But the 300 last years time has changed more than from Adam till 1700 AD. Why are no prophets and no holy book necessary? (Also see 13/38d above). And how was the text in the Mother Book changed to fit new times.

9: If the “mother book” is eons old, why then is nearly the all talk to Muhammad, a little to a few others, and nothing to the other 124ooo (the number according to Hadiths) prophets? The first prophets - when everything was new – after all needed most information and help.

10: How to explain that most of the stories in the Quran are based on religious legends, fairy tales, etc.? - any god had known they were untrue.

11: How to explain all the mistakes? – any god had known better.

13: How to explain all the invalid statements? – any god had known better.

13: How to explain all the invalid “signs” (treated as proofs)?

14: How to explain the invalid “proofs”? – any god had known better.

15: How to explain the directly wrong statements, “signs” and “proofs”. ?

16: How to explain all the contradictions – the claim of "no contradictions" is one of the “proofs” for Allah?

17: How to explain all the cases of invalid logic? - no god would need to use invalid logic.

18: How to explain the often unclear language in the book, even concerning serious points?

Also see 13/1d+e+f above and 43/4, 85/21-22 below. And: No such book is mentioned in the Bible.

113 13/40b: “- - - thy (Muhammad’s*) duty is to make (the Message) reach them (“infidels”): It is Our (Allah’s*) part to call them to account.” Well, from 622 AD it also became the part of Muhammad and his men. This verse is contradicted and often “killed” by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 5/73, 8/12, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 29 contradictions).

114 13/40d: "- - - it is Our (Allah's*) part to call them (non-Muslims*) to account". To say it with small letters: Muhammad, and not to mention his successors, had a tendency for "forgetting" this after he got military strong enough to force Islam on others - f.x. large parts of the Arabs were forced to change their religion and become Muslims; "accept Muhammad and Islam or fight us and die".

########115 13/41a: "See they (non-Muslims*) not that We (Allah/Muslims*) gradually reduce the land (in their (non-Muslims'*) control) - - - “.No comment necessary. #################### But this sentence should NEVER be forgotten by non-Muslims. Muslims often demands and demands rights - "gradually reducing the non-Muslims' 'land'".

116 13/41c: "(Where) Allah commands, there is none to put back his commands - - -". As Islam is a war and fascistic apartheid religion, we must hope some more benevolent god, f.x. Yahweh, may be able to do something.

117 13/42a: “- - - but in all things the master planning is Allah’s.” Allah is the one that decides in reality. This is one of the verses Islam and Muslims have founded the rules for al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth), etc. on - a moral alibi and explanation for it. When Allah could device plots, also his followers could and can do so.

Just for the record: Al-Taqiyya, Kitman, and Hilah can be used at least in these cases:

To save your or others' health or life.

To get out of a tight spot or a dangerous problem.

To make peace in a family.

When it will give a better result than honesty or honoring one’s oath.

To cheat women (should be remembered by girls with Muslim boyfriends wanting sex - or wanting a marriage to get residence permit in a rich country.)

To deceive opponents/enemies.

To betray enemies.

To secure one’s money (very clear from Hadiths).

To defend Islam. (Advised if necessary to succeed.)

To promote Islam. (Advised if necessary to succeed.)

But al-Taqiyya is a double-edged sword: In the short run you may cheat and deceive some ones – actually also in the long run if the opposite part does not know about this side of Muslims and of Islam, or if he/she is naïve.

In addition there f.x. are Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), acceptance of use of deceit and betrayal, and not least acceptance and sometimes even the advice to break ones word/promise/oath (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a). For broken oaths there are given no real limitations if the broken oath will give a better result. By implication this also goes for ordinary words and promises, as an oath is something stronger than a normal word or promise.

You find no acceptance of any of these - or other - kinds of dishonesty from Jesus.

118 13/42d: "He (Allah*) knoweth the doings of every soul - - -". See 2/233h above.

119 13/43d: (YA1868): “Enough for a witness between me (Muhammad*) and you “non-Muslims*) is Allah - - -". The old problem: Not unless he exists and is a god. (If he exists and is from the dark forces, he may be a rather unreliable witness.)

120 13/43f: (A13/84): “Enough for a witness between me (Muhammad*) and you “non-Muslims*) is Allah, and such as have knowledge (Muslims*) of the Book (the Quran*)”. The comment says:"(This is*) - - - implying that a true understanding of the Quran unavoidably leads one to the conviction that is has been revealed by Allah". Pointing to all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran, which are proving 110% that no god is involved in its making, we do not bother to add more comments, except that as Islam has no documentation for any of its central religious claims, it needs even arguments like this.

Islam has not one proof neither for Allah, nor for that a god was involved in the delivery of the Quran, nor for that Muhammad had any connection to any god, and you will find they sometimes use "svada" (a good Scandinavian word meaning "(lots of) meaningless, nice talk") like this to under build or "prove" things.

We also remind you of the fact that "a conviction" far from is the same as "a fact", not to mention how far it sometimes is from "a proved fact".

But of course if "true understanding" means blind belief in the Quran and "taqlid" after all errors and worse has been "explained" away and glossed over and the brain and real knowledge of the world is disengaged, then one may put forth claims like Muhammad Asad does here. But you have to disengage your brain and knowledge also to be able to believe such claims. "- - - a true understanding unavoidably - - -" are impressive words, but nonsense is nonsense.

2984 + 120 = 3104 comments.

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Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".


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This work was upload with assistance of M. A. Khan, editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery".