1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven,  Surah 9

 

Surah 9 : At-Tawbah (The Repentance)

(631 AD)

 

001 "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds and introduced rules, we personally believe in the demands and deeds, etc. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds, etc. are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 9/1a: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". The most used mantra of Muhammad to glue himself to Allah and his platform of power.

####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". Self-centered. Selfish? You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more to him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.

003 9/2d: “- - - for four months - - -.” The 4 forbidden months? A relevant question here: Why did so many of the Arab pagan rules and customs from the old be in accordance with Allah's wishes? - here the 4 holy months (months number 1, 7, 11, 12). Even if Allah is claimed to be a worldwide god, no other nations followed his rules and wishes like the pagan old Arabs. Or was it the other way around? - Muhammad or someone who told Allah how things ought to be, and that the pagan old Arab rules were the easiest to use in Arabia??

004 9/2e: "- - - Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him". Not unless he exists. Not to mention if he does not exist, but f.x. Yahweh does.

005 9/3a: "- - - Allah and his Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 9/1a above.

####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. Self-centered. Selfish? The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more for him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.

006 9/3g: "- - - ye (non-Muslims*) cannot frustrate Allah". Warning to the non-Muslims, pep-words to Muhammad’s followers - and completely untrue, at least if Allah does not exist.

##007 9/3h: (631 AD): “And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith”. Muslims may say it is meant figuratively and for the next life. But it is said in connection to 9/5, which indicates this life. This verse contradicts (and abrogates) at least these verses (here are 88 out of the 124 Muslim scholars say are abrogated by 9/5): 2/109, 2/190, 2/256, 2/272, 3/20, 4/62, 4/81, 4/90, 5/3, 5/28, 5/48, 5/99, 6/60, 6/66, 6/70, 6/104, 6/107, 6/112, 6/158, 7/87, 7/188, 7/193, 7/199, 8/61, 9/68, 10/41, 10/99, 10/102, 10/108, 11/12, 11/121, 13/40, 15/3, 15/94, 16/35, 16/82, 16/125, 16/126, 16/127, 17/54, 18/29, 18/56, 19/39, 20/130, 21/107, 21/112, 22/49, 22/68, 23/54, 23/96, 24/54, 26/216, 27/92, 28/50, 28/55, 29/18, 29/46, 32/30, 34/25, 34/28, 35/23, 35/24a, 36/17, 39/41, 41/34, 42/6, 42/15, 42/48, 43/83, 43/89, 44/59, 45/14, 46/9, 46/135a, 46/135b, 46/135b, 50/39, 50/45, 51/50-51, 51/54, 52/45, 52/47, 53/29, 67/26, 73/10, 73/11, 79/45, 86/17, 88/22, 109/6. They are quoted under 9/5 (also see "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran"). (At least 91 contradictions).

###Also note that this was said in 631 AD. Muhammad was powerful and for one thing able to give a "grievous penalty" and for another he needed moral "reasons" for attacking and raiding non-Muslims for stealing their riches, raping, extorting. enslaving, killing, and to claim he was punishing them on behalf of an omnipotent god who needed help from humans to do so, was an ok "explanation" in a primitive time and to primitive, uneducated people - not least to his own warriors who eagerly wanted to believe such things, so that they could steal themselves rich, rape a few women or children, and perhaps get themselves one slave or three - perhaps preferably young women perhaps.

008 9/3i: "And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith". See 3/77b above.

009 9/4c: "- - - Allah loveth the righteous". Can he then love the Muslims living according to also the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code and the unjust parts of the sharia laws?

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###010 9/5b: “But when the forbidden months (months number 1, 7, 11, 12 were forbidden for f.x. fighting - though Muhammad broke also those rules. One of the many pagan Arab rules Muhammad included into Islam) are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and size them, beleaguer them, and lay in wait for them in every stratagem (of war.)”

#######This is “the Verse of the Sword” – the single verse in the Quran which is reckoned to contradict and to abrogate most peaceful verses of all the harsh and inhuman and bloody verses from the Medina period. Muslim scholars say it abrogates 124 verses in the book, We have seen no numbers for how many it contradicts, but hardly fewer (also all abrogations in reality are contradictions – that is why they are deemed abrogations: to make one or more of the contradicting points invalid so that it is possible to live and behave according to the book - - - and to claim there are no contradictions in it as the contradicting points are abrogated, though this last fact Muslims never mention).

There are so many verses which 9/5 contradicts, that we have not found all. But note that all abrogations also were contradictions before one or more of the contradicting verses were abrogated (which is one of the reasons why it is nonsense when some Muslims say abrogations do not exist in the Quran – abrogations mean Allah is not omniscient, but had to try and fail and/or changed his mind every now and then. Without abrogations you have a lot more of serious contradictions in the book, and which is worst of contradictions which make the book impossible to follow in life, or abrogations that at least makes you wind your way through life? (but shows that Allah often was unable to find the best solution at the first try)). You will find more in the chapter about abrogations in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran".

Surah 9, including 9/5, came in 631 AD and according to the Islamic rules for abrogations, this means that it overrides nearly everything older in the Quran (as normally the youngest abrogates the older).

Some of the contradictions (many of them also abrogations) follow a little further down.

9/5e gives an overview over many of the points/verses 9/5 abrogates (= makes invalid).

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011 9/5g: "- - - (use*) any stratagem of war - - -". Compare this to NT!

012 9/5h: "- - - (use*) any stratagem of war - - -". Why do you think terrorists behave like they do, and why they to say the least of it do not respect the Geneva Conventions, and not behave like, but are depraved and degenerated "inhumans" - - - and heroes to many a Muslim?

013 9/5i: "- - - the forbidden months - - -". The old Arabs had 4 holy months a year (numbers 1, 7, 11, and 12). Muhammad took them into Islam. A clear Arabism. There is nothing similar in the Bible. Strange that a god for the entire world, mainly pick rules from the backward and pagan old Arab

014 9/5j: "But if they (non-Muslims*) repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity (= became Muslims*), then open a way for them - - -". Kill the non-Muslim, but if they become Muslims, then let them live. - "no compulsion in religion"?

015 9/5l: "- - - regular prayers - - -". But what is the idea of prayers if Allah has predestined every detail long before and according to his unchangeable Plan, like the Quran states many places? If "nothing and nobody can change his Plan", prayers have no effect, and are just so much wasted time and effort.

Besides the demand for 5 prayers a day is one of the many proofs for that Yahweh - he had totally different rules for praying - and Allah are not the same god.

016 9/6a: "If one amongst the Pagan ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah - - -". Not because he is a human or anything; but only: To teach him Islam. It tells something about the moral code Muslims are imprinted.

017 9/6b: "- - - they (pagans*) are men without knowledge (when the Quran speaks about knowledge, it always religious knowledge - Islam)". Sometimes one may wonder: What is best - no knowledge, or wrong knowledge? - the Quran is full of mistakes, etc. Besides: A lot of people had more real knowledge than the early Muslims, but for Muhammad only knowledge about his new religion counted. A fact which in the long run destroyed the power of Islam - Europe and later USA caught up with them and took the lead in most aspects of life. Not least in moral philosophy, where Islam was totally stagnant in a moral thinking from a war tribal way of thinking in an area which already at that time culturally was a backward, primitive backstreet. Most of the area still is in that backstreet, even though thoughts and ideas from the outside have forced their way in most of the Muslim countries. But lacking real knowledge about moral thinking and basic facts, Muslims an Islam often boast about their claimed leading position in morality.

018 9/7aa: "How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the Sacred Mosque (Kabah in Mecca*)?" This sentence makes it impossible for Muslims to make valid leagues or treaties with pagans. A very informative fact for all pagans in the world - especially when you add Islam's rules for the use of dishonesty (al-Taqiyya - the lawful lie, Kitman - the lawful half-truth, Hilah - the lawful pretending/circumventing, deceit, disuse of words/promises/oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2)). If Muslims are not bound by such leagues or treaties, and in addition can use dishonesty and deceit free of charge, that is a nice situation for Islam and for Muslims, but definitely not for pagans. (What f.x. about the situation in India - Hindus are pagans according to Islam - and in large parts of Africa?)

019 9/7a: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". The mantra Muhammad most often used to glue himself to Allah and his own platform of power; his god.

####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more for him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.

Self-centered. And selfish?

020 9/7d: "- - - the Sacred Mosque - - -". The Kabah mosque in Mecca. Even though it was the most sacred place on Earth for Muhammad and for Allah, Yahweh and Jesus and all the Jewish prophets were totally uninterested in it. Kabah and its claimed holiness thus are one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus and the other Jewish prophets were not in the same religion or serving the same god as Muhammad.

021 9/7f: "- - - Allah doth love the righteous." As parts of the Quran and parts of Sharia are horribly unrighteous compared to all normal moral rules, do Allah then love Muslims if they live according to those points in the Quran and in Sharia?

022 9/8a: "With (fair words from) their (pagans*) mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; most of them are rebellious and wicked". A clear message: Do not trust pagans (one of the pieces necessary for producing an "enemy picture" of "the others".)

BUT DO YOU SEE THE IRONY? THESE WORDS ARE FROM THE ONLY BIG GOD(?) AND THE ONLY BIG RELIGION WHICH ACCEPTS - YES, FOR DEFENDING OR PROMOTING THE RELIGION EVEN ADVICES - THE USE OF DISHONESTY, DECEIT, BETRAYAL, AND EVEN THE BREAKING OF OATHS, AS LEGITIMATE AND OK TOOLS OF WORK!

023 9/8b: “- - - most of them (pagans*) are rebellious and wicked.” Of course - Pagans are not even Jews, nor Christians, who are bad enough. Far below Muslim moral standard - which is much different from "do to others like you want others do to you".

024 9/9b: "The Signs of Allah they (non-Muslims*) have sold for a miserable price - - -". The Quran often insinuates that the ones not accepting Islam, does so because they prefer good time in this world - "a miserable price" - and not because they honestly believe the Quran and Islam are wrong and a false religion. For leaders of sects to use such claims is good psychology for two reasons:

1. It indicates that "we" are better than the "others".

2. It adverts thoughts like "if 'they' really believe here is something wrong, maybe there is a reason for that, and maybe we should look into it". Leaders of fringe sects - like Islam was in its early years - normally do not want facts from the outside.

Also see 3/77a above.

025 9/9d: "- - - evil indeed are the deeds (hindered persons from becoming Muslims*) they (pagans) have done". If Allah exists, is a god, and the Quran has told the truth and only the truth, it is bad to hinder people to become Muslims. If Allah does not exist or is not a god, and the god(s) the non-Muslims believe in, also does not exist, it does not matter what is done - well, perhaps to hinder them from Islam is a slightly good thing, as most religions have better moral codes, etc. If the non-Muslims' god - f.x. Yahweh - does exist, it is a good thing to lead people there instead. And if Allah exists, but is something from the dark forces (which f.x. the Quran's moral code indicates), it is a good thing to lead people away from him.

026 9/10b: "In a Believer they (pagans*) respect not the ties - - - of kinship - - -". This is both an ironic and a dishonest remark. Surah 9 is from 631 AD, and by then Muhammad had long since, even in the Quran, told his followers to leave even parents and siblings if these did not accept one's belonging to Islam.

027 9/10c: “It is they (the pagans*) who have transgressed all bounds”. Irony. Please read the surahs from Medina and Islamic history, and then try to read this sentence once more. (F.x. in at least - at least - 90% of Muhammad's armed incidents, Muhammad was the aggressor - and in most cases to gain riches and/or power.)

Of course to claim everybody but Muslims are in the wrong, influences for one thing Islam's moral code and for another how that moral code is understood and not least how it is practiced.

028 9/11a: "- - - regular prayers - - -". A minimum number of 5 prayers a day and at roughly fixed times of the day was so essential for Allah that it became one of the 5 "pillars" of Islam. Yahweh did not care about such formalities - pray when there was a reason or a need or a wish. One more strong proof for that Yahweh and Allah were not the same god.

029 9/11b: "- - - regular prayers - - -". But what is the idea of prayers if Allah has predestined every detail long before according to his unchangeable Plan, like the Quran states many places? If "nothing and nobody can change his Plan", prayers have no effect, and are just so much wasted time and effort.

030 9/11e: "- - - (thus) do We (Allah*) explain the Signs in detail - - -". Similar claims you will find here and there in the Quran, and what they have in common, is that not one of them explains the claimed "signs" - there are claims and talk, but never a logically explanation - which in reality does not mean very much, as there is not one single logically valid sign for Allah anywhere, included in the Quran. If it had existed, you bet Islam and Muslims had told you about it every second hour. Claims plenty, documented and logically valid ones exactly none - the reason mostly is that the Quran never first prove that it really is Allah who causes what they claim is a proof or a sign.

BUT WHAT IS CLEAR, IS THAT THIS IS YET ANOTHER POINT INDICATING THAT THE QURAN MEANS IT MAKES THINGS CLEAR - USES A CLEAR LANGUAGE AND "EXPLAINS IN DETAIL". WHICH MEANS THAT ISLAM AND MUSLIMS ARE WRONG WHEN THEY CLAIM THAT ERRORS, ETC. IN THE QURAN ARE NOT ERRORS, BUT ALLEGORIES, ETC., WHICH THEY CAN EXPLAIN BETTER THAN THE QURAN - BUT WHO EXPLAINS BETTER AND MORE CORRECT THAN AN OMNISCIENT GOD?

031 9/12c: "- - - fight ye (Muslims*) the chiefs of Unfaith (non-Muslims*) - - -". A clear order from "the Religion of Peace".

032 9/12f: "- - - for their (non-Muslims*) oaths are nothing to them - - -". Strange words from a religion accepting dishonesty in words and deeds - included disuse/breaking of oaths - for working tools, and from a man who practiced himself and impressed on his followers that it is better to break an oath if that gave a better result, and who lived by his slogan "war is betrayal" or "war is deceit". (F.x. 2/225a and 5/89a+b above, and 16/91e and 66/2a below, + al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth, Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), etc.)

033 9/12g: "- - - that thus they (Mecca*) may be restrained". All non-Muslims shall be suppressed by Islam or made Muslims, all over the world, according to official and clear words in the Quran.

034 9/13c: “Will ye (Muslims*) not fight people who violated their oaths (like Muhammad did himself*), plotted to expel the Messenger - - -". It should not be necessary to tell that this contradict at least NT very much. Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets? Simply no. We may add that in addition to Jesus' military pacifism contra Muhammad's dedicated war religion, and Jesus' line of total honesty, contra Muhammad's stealing/robbing, etc. and contra Muhammad's al-Taqiyya (lawful lie) and Kitman (lawful half-truths), etc. - though this was named and formalized later - there also is the difference in the view on keeping your word/promise/oath: there is not a little irony here, as Muhammad himself did not respect his own oaths very much - oaths could be broken if it paid better to do so, and then one if necessary - if the case was serious - could pay expiation afterwards and everything was and is good and fine. Compare this to f.x. Matt 5/33-37: You shall not even swear, but be fully truthful and keep and stay by your word. Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets? A fantasy.?

035 9/13f: "- - - it is Allah Whom ye (Muslims*) should more justly fear - - -". If he exist and if he is something powerful. (If he is from the dark forces, there is a real reason to fear him.)

036 9/14a: "Fight them - - -". A more direct order is not possible to get - - - and from the leader of the claimed "religion of peace".

0037 9/14b: "Fight them (the Unbelievers*) - - -". Compare this to "- - - turn the other cheek - - -" (f.x. Matt.5/38-42). Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets? - stop joking.

038 9/14c: “Fight them (the not good Muslims*), and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame - - -.” This at least contradicts – and abrogates:

2/256: “Let there be no compulsion in Religion.”

00b 5/28: “If thou (“infidels”, Cain*) dost stretch thy hand against me (Muslims, Abel*), it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee - - -.” When you read this, remember that Muslims have few if any overall moral code. What they have to do, is to look for “What did Muhammad say/do about such things?” If he has said something, they take that as a code – good moral or not. If not, they have to look in the book: “Is there a parallel situation somewhere?” If they find – sometimes by stretching imagination – that is the way to act, or the alibi for how one wishes to act. Mind also that this verse (5/28) is one of the very few in all the Quran which is in accordance with the teachings of Jesus – one of the very few. And it is totally “murdered” by abrogations.

##039 9/14e: “Fight them (the “unbelievers”*), and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them - - -”. When you fight non-Muslims, you are doing the work of the good and benevolent god Allah. But why does an omnipotent good need humans to do things for him? Muhammad would need so, but an omnipotent god??

Some religion: Hating, fighting, stealing, plundering, raping, enslavement, and murdering are the work of the god - and the best service humans can make for him.

And remember: The “ethics” in the Quran was for then, for now, and forever - for us and for our children and our descendants for all future.

“What a wonderful world!” to quote Louis Armstrong.

But why does an omnipotent god need humans for doing the killing and suppression?

#040 9/14f: “(Allah will*) help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of the Believers”. To murder or mass murder non-Muslims in battle or other ways - remember that Muslims are ordered to “lie in wait for them with any stratagem of war” (9/5) - plus a lot of the killing and other atrocities which were done after the fighting was over - will heal the breasts of the good Muslims.

It seems us that Muslims living according to the Quran may be not the best of neighbors. ####(But again: Remember that only a minority of the Muslims really live according to these parts of that book - though our dangerous difficulty is that it often is impossible to know who is who).

041 9/15a: "For Allah will turn (in mercy) to whom He will - - -". A seemingly rational explanation for all the injustice in the world: Allah in his limitless wisdom has decided it like this. A "one-answer-fits-all" which in reality tells nothing.

042 9/15b: "- - - Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise". Not if all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran represents his claimed wisdom.

Another fact: If Allah delivered the Quran and all its mistaken facts and other errors, all its internal and external contradictions, all its invalid logic, etc. there is a good reason to laugh - and laugh loudly - from claims like this.

043 9/16a: “Or think that ye (Muslims*) that ye shall be abandoned (by Allah and not be rewarded for going to war*), as though Allah did not know those among you who strive with might and main - - -.” Just go to war – it is sure that Allah will reward you for it (as he is the good and benevolent god of “the Religion of Peace” - but the claim "Islam is the Religion of Honesty" is seldom heard.)

###044 9/16c: “Or think ye (Muslims*) that ye shall be abandoned (by Allah and not be rewarded for going to war*), as though Allah did not know those among you who strive with might and main (= armed fight for the religion - or for Muhammad?*)- - -.” Compare this to the Bible. Even in the at places harsh OT, the wars were not for the religion, but to establish and later defend a national country for the Jews. And to compare it to NT and the teaching of Jesus simply has no meaning - the distance is too huge between Jesus and his teaching of love and peace, and Muhammad’s religion of distaste, suppression, hate, and war - if you cultivate distaste, distance between "us" and "the bad ones", and hate, it is easier to make your followers or underlings go to war. Muhammad invested much time and effort in such cultivation.

045 9/16d: “- - - take none (no non-Muslim*) for friends and protectors - - -”. It is hardly possible to forbid close contact between Muslims and others in more direct words.

046 9/16f: "- - - Allah is well acquainted with (all) that ye (Muslims*) do". A warning - do not try to cheat, because the god will see you. But also see 2/233h above.

047 9/16h: "- - - strive with might and main - - -" = fight with everything you have got included your wealth and your life. Compare this to Jesus' religion of love and peace. Yahweh and Allah the same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets? - no answers necessary.

048 9/16i: "- - - take none for friends or protectors except Allah, His Messenger (Muhammad*) and the (community of) Believers (Muslims*) - - -". Strongly contradicted by Yahweh and by Jesus in the Bible.

049 9/16j: "- - - His (Allah's*) Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Another version of Muhammad's main mantra for gluing himself to the mighty god and his own platform of power, the same god.

050 9/16m: "But Allah is well acquainted with (all) ye do". A remainder: Allah sees everything and he rewards, but he also punishes - be good and obedient.

051 9/17a: “It is not for such as join gods with Allah (f.x. God/Yahweh*) - - -. - - - in Fire shall they dwell”. No hope for Christians with their Jesus – in spite of 2/62. This if the Quran tells the truth about this in spite of all its other errors.

052 9/17c: "- - - join gods with Allah - - -". The old Arabs joined gods with their old pagan god al-Lah/Allah, and not with Muhammad's monotheistic version of Allah (Muhammad only accepted the name Allah). But for that no-one joins gods with him. They simply do not believe he exists, and believe in another god - or gods - INSTEAD OF him.

053 9/17ca: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) witness against their own soul to infidelity". 1): Why does an omniscient god need witnesses - do not his followers trust him? 2): Again this in the Quran somewhat diffuse word "soul".

054 9/17d: "The work of such (non-Muslims*) bear no fruit - - -". For one thing it is the work of non-Muslims which has caused most of the progress for man in this world, and for another Yahweh and the Bible disagree strongly when it comes to persons who believe in the Bible.

It is a fact that in the period from ca. 610 AD to ca. 800 AD hardly any thought or idea which could benefit humanity came from Muslims. In the period 800 AD - or really from around 820 AD till 1095 AD and the book "On the incoherence of the Philosophers" by "the greatest Muslim after Muhammad", al Ghazali - there came some, but nearly all of it just translated from Greek and Persian, but after all some from Muslim, and more from non-Muslim in Muslim area, thinkers. From 1095 AD till into the 1300s-1400s there still came some - still a lot translated from mainly Greek and Persian, but some also from the Muslim area, BUT FROM NON-MUSLIMS - OFTEN JEWS - LIVING THERE, BUT AS THEY WROTE IN ARAB, MUSLIMS OF TODAY GIVE ISLAM THE HONOUR FOR IT. Later there was nothing. The plain reality is that in the time from 1095 AD and far into the 1900s there did not come one idea or thought of any essence which could benefit humanity from a Muslim. That is the fruit of the Muslim society through 1400 years.

If Muslims had set the pace, the world today had lived in the 12. century if the Muslims had access to old Greek, Persian, and Indian (f.x. "Arab numbers in reality are from India), etc. If not we at best had lived around the 8. or 9. century today. So much for the fruit of Muslim new thoughts, ideas, inventions, etc.

055 9/18b: "- - - establish regular prayers - - -". This is one more of the proofs for that Yahweh is not the same god as Allah. To Allah a fixed minimum of prayers at relatively fixed times of the day is so essential that it is one of the 5 most essential points in the religion - one of the 5 "pillars" of Islam. But to Yahweh such formalism is not interesting - pray when there is a need or a reason or a wish.

The Quran's rigid rules for prayers are one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, as Yahweh's rules are too different.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem can have 2 or more true and correct solutions, and this even if the conclusions are mutually excluding each other - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. In cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1) Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. 2) The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other.)

056 9/19b: "- - - the Sacred Mosque - - -" = Kabah in Mecca. Even though it was the most sacred place on Earth for Muhammad and for Allah, Yahweh and Jesus and all the Jewish prophets were totally uninterested in it - one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus and Muhammad were not in the same religion or serving the same god.

057 9/19c: "- - - (the pious service of) those who - - - strive with might and main (= go to raids/war*) in the cause of Allah". The word "pious" here tells much more and a much truer story about Islam and its basic ethics and moral, than cheap slogans like "the Religion of Peace". When reality collides with words of propaganda, we always believe in the reality. Islam is a pure war religion. (This reality also is easy to see if you read the surahs chronologically and see the development of Islam during the years of Muhammad, and the bloody war religion it became in Medina.)

058 9/19d: "- - - (the pious service of) those who - - - strive with might and main (= go to raids/war*) in the cause of Allah". This simply is the antipode of especially NT. Yahweh the same god as Allah? Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets? No - antipodes only can be antipodes also for gods and for prophets.

059 9/19g: "- - - strive with might and mind in the cause of Allah- - -". Guess if this conflicts with the Bible! Even in the rather hard and harsh OT, the wars were not for Yahweh, but for establishing and then defending a national state for the Jews, not for the religion. And in NT war is hardly an accepted thing at all. Yahweh and Allah the same god? Nope. Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets? - more than nope.

##060 9/19h: “They (Muslims doing good deeds*) are not comparable in the sight of Allah (with the ones killing/waging raids/war for Muhammad/Allah*)”. Terrorists and others using weapons and murdering for Allah, are the best Muslims.

Guess if verses like these do their work on some single-minded or fanatic Muslims. Who said “there are verses in the Quran which can be disused for war and terror”? Wrong: It hardly is possible to be a really pious Muslim without using weapons against non-Muslims.

##061 9/19i: “They (Muslims doing good deeds*) are not comparable in the sight of Allah (with the ones killing/waging raids/war for Muhammad/Allah*)”. Terrorists and others using weapons and murdering for Allah, are the best Muslims. See 9/19h just above.

062 9/19j: "- - - Allah guides not those who do wrong". Something to think about the next time you do something which is lawful according to Sharia, but obviously wrong? - like punishing a raped woman to take a clear example. - or treating other human beings - male or female - in ways you would dislike to be treated yourself.

063 9/19k: "- - - Allah guides not those who do wrong". Allah can guide nobody if he does not exist - and even if he could guide; where do you end up if you follow a guidebook of a moral quality like the Quran?

064 9/20-21: These two verses (and many more - we specify this only now and then) are not from the Bible. There also is nothing similar - especially not in the NT. It simply is the antithesis to the NT. For this to be true - if Yahweh and Allah had been the same god - the god had to change from a bit harsh in OT, then more benevolent at the time of Jesus and the New Covenant (f.x. Luke 20/22) and onwards, for then not only to go back to his somewhat harshness, but to become a pure god of suppression and war not at the start of Muhammad, but after Muhammad came to Medina and started to need warriors.

#065 9/22b: “They (terrorists/warriors*) will dwell therein (in paradise) forever. Verily in Allah’s presence is a reward, the greatest (of all)”. Warriors/terrorists are in so high esteem in the eyes of Allah, that they will be invited to live in the parts of paradise which has Allah’s presence. (In the Muslim paradise some parts are better than others - Jesus f.x. only lives in the 2. heaven, whereas Moses was a better prophet and lives in heaven number four, and top prophets like Abraham and Muhammad of course in number seven, closest to Allah, who resides above number seven. In addition some regions of the heavens are better than others - in the heaven for ordinary Muslims, there f.x. are 4 or 6 or perhaps more gardens - Islam does not know for sure - one better than the other (just hope you, your wives and your children do not merit different gardens).

Compared to 9/21 this may be an even more ultimate pep talk and carrot.

066 9/22d: "Verily in Allah's presence is a reward, the greatest (of all)". We are back to the old question?: Does he ever exist? And is he in case a god? The only place you ever find him, is in the Quran and other books based on the words of a man of very doubtful morality who liked power, riches for bribes - and women. And a man who advised his followers to use dishonest means when that gave a better result - this even according to the Quran itself. (F.x. broken oaths.) One has to be pretty naive not to think over if such a man also could cheat his followers to gain power, etc.

067 9/23b: “Take not for protectors your father and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith (= are not Muslims*): if any of you do so, they do wrong.” Even today some sects use this technique – break as much as possible of the contact with, and stop as many as possible of the impulses from, the outside. “We want only our ideas to influence our proselytes and followers.” It of course is a way of stopping correcting thoughts and facts. And it so definitely is mental and social pressure – compulsion. It at least is contradicted by:

2/256: “Let there be no compulsion in religion - - -.”

This verse (2/256) contradicts (and abrogates) at least these verses (here are 89 out of the 124 Muslim scholars say are abrogated by 9/5): 2/109, 2/190, 2/256, 2/272, 3/20, 4/62, 4/81, 4/90, 5/3, 5/28, 5/48, 5/99, 6/60, 6/66, 6/70, 6/104, 6/107, 6/112, 6/158, 7/87, 7/188, 7/193, 7/199, 8/61, 9/68, 10/41, 10/99, 10/102, 10/108, 11/12, 11/121, 13/40, 15/3, 15/94, 16/35, 16/82, 16/125, 16/126, 16/127, 17/54, 18/29, 18/56, 19/39, 20/130, 21/107, 21/112, 22/49, 22/68, 23/54, 23/96, 24/54, 26/216, 27/92, 28/50, 28/55, 29/18, 29/46, 32/30, 34/25, 34/28, 35/23, 35/24a, 36/17, 39/41, 41/34, 42/6, 42/15, 42/48, 43/83, 43/89, 44/59, 45/14, 46/9, 46/135a, 46/135b, 50/39, 50/45, 51/50-51, 51/54, 52/45, 52/47, 53/29, 67/26, 73/10, 73/11, 79/45, 86/17, 88/22, 109/6. They are all quoted under 9/5. (At least 91 contradictions).

A small NB: When reading this verse, remember that family bonds in the old Arabia were extremely strong - they often were in war cultures built on tribes. A heart-breaking verse which tells much about Muhammad and about Islam.

068 9/23c: "- - - infidelity - - -". = Not believing in Muhammad and his new religion. But is it infidelity if they f.x. believe in Yahweh if Yahweh happen to exist? - and even more so if Allah do not exist? If the old books tell the truth, Yahweh has proved his existence many times, but Allah never - and even worse: The Quran tries to prove him by means of a lot of invalid "signs" and some as invalid "proofs" - a proof for that Muhammad had no real proofs for Allah. If he had had, he had used them instead. Besides: The use of fast-talk and invalid proofs are hallmarks of cheaters and deceivers. The same are lies.

069 9/24b: "- - - Allah, or His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". A version of Muhammad's main mantra to glue himself to the god and to his own platform of power".

070 9/24e: "- - - or the striving in His (Allah's*) cause ("Quran-speak" for waging war*) - - -". Going to war for Muhammad/Allah gives top marks in the claimed "religion of peace". Guess if this is contradicted by the NT! Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

071 9/25b: “Assuredly Allah did help you in many battlefields - - -.” – and consequently he can be expected to do the same in future battlefields. A good pep talk - but the claimed help was never proved.

072 9/26c: "- - - forces which ye saw not - - -". Muhammad claimed that here like in some other battles Allah sent down large forces of angel warriors to help the Muslims in battles". But why take part in primitive battles, when he - Allah - "just can say 'Be' and it is"? Such claims about the necessity of wars and battles have no meaning when an omniscient god is involved. But if there was no god, but only a charismatic warlord pep-talking to his warriors, there suddenly is logic in it all.

073 9/26d: "- - - thus doth He (Allah*) punish the Unbelievers - - -". But why did an omnipotent god need 10ooo-12ooo Muslims to do it? - an omnipotent god could easily do this himself. There is no logic in the claim - not unless it in reality is Muhammad who needed an "explanation" for why his followers time and again and again had to wage war.

074 9/28d: “Truly the Pagans (people neither Muslims nor Jews nor Christians) are unclean - - -” And what is said in the Quran is valid also today and forever. During the Muslim military expansion, pagans frequently were very harshly treated - killed by the thousands and even by the tens of thousands and more f.x. in Sind and the rest of India. Also from Africa there are bad - horrible - stories, but there is less written documentation from Africa. And what about f.x. Armenians (Christians)? - or Christians in Turkey in the early 1900s? Or East Timor a few decades ago? Or the Chinese in Indonesia? - also a few decades ago.

####You have to be extremely naive if you believe this will not happen also in the future - especially if Islam gains world dominance, like it is pushed by the Quran to strive for.

075 9/28h: "- - - the Sacred Mosque - - -". The Kabah (means "the cube") mosque in Mecca. Never mentioned by Yahweh or Jesus or any other Jewish prophet - not even a wish for making a pilgrimage there. This total disinterest from them concerning the according to the Quran most holy place on Earth, is one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus - and the other Jewish prophets - was/were not in the same line or religion as Muhammad.

076 9/28j: "- - - Allah is All-Knowing - - -". Just another example of never proved claims in the Quran - you will find more than we refer. Also see 2/233h above.

Another fact: If Allah delivered the Quran and all its mistaken facts and other errors, all its internal and external contradictions, all its invalid logic, etc. there is a good reason to laugh - and laugh loudly - from claims like this.

077 9/28k: "- - - Allah is - - - All-Wise". Not if the Quran is an example of his knowledge or his wisdom - too much is wrong in that book.

Another fact: If Allah delivered the Quran and all its mistaken facts and other errors, all its internal and external contradictions, all its invalid logic, etc. there is a good reason to laugh - and laugh loudly - from claims like this.

####078 ##9/29a: “Fight those who believe not in Allah - - -.” A most clear order - - - in spite of “no compulsion in religion” (2/256). One of those clear orders which shows reality and belies glorious words. As said before: Whenever there is discrepancy between reality and propaganda, we believe in the reality.

Compare this sentence to the 3 samples below and weep:

2/256: “Let there be no compulsion in religion”. This is the flagship for all Muslims who wants to impress non-Muslims about how peaceful and tolerant Islam is. But NB! NB! The surah says: “Let it be - - -.” It is an incitement or – judging also from 2/255 – more likely a wish, it is not a manifested fact. It is a hope or a goal for the future, it is not something that exists – and all the same most Muslims quote it like this: “There is no compulsion in Religion” - - - a small, little “Kitman” (lawful half-truth – an expression special for Islam together with “al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), etc. makes the Quran and the religion sound much more friendly and tolerant.

5/28: “If thou (“infidels”, Cain*) dost stretch thy hand against me (Muslims, Abel*), it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee - - -.” When you read this, remember that Muslims have few if any overall moral codes. What they have to do is to look for “What did Muhammad say or do about such things?” If he has said or done something, they take that as a moral code – good moral or not. If not, they have to look in the book: “Is there a parallel situation somewhere?” If they find – sometimes by stretching imagination – that is the way to act, or the alibi for how one wishes to act. Mind also that this verse is one of the very few in the entire the Quran which is in accordance with the teachings of Jesus – one of the very few. And it is totally “murdered” by abrogations.

29/46: “And dispute ye not with the People of the Book - - -. “ No comments – but read 9/29 once more.

Also: Combine this quote with Islam's slogan: "Islam is the Religion of Peace" and weep - or laugh.

##079 9/29b: "Fight those who do not believe - - -". An extreme contradiction to the Bible - incompatible to even the hardest parts of OT. Religion never was the reason for war in OT - it was fight for land - and in NT armed fighting hardly is accepted at all. Yahweh and Allah the same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets? Impossible is the only possible answer to both.

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#########080 9/29c: “Fight those who believe not in Allah - - - until they pay jizya (extra tax - sometimes heavy (and there may be land tax in addition - often 50%)) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” A clear and unmistakable order. The softest word possible: Discrimination or apartheid. There are a number of stronger ones. And the jizya frequently was high. Comments on how it is to live under such helpless apartheid conditions is not necessary - the Negroes in South Africa or the Southern States in USA in earlier times could tell you - even though they at least did not have to pay an extra tax on top of all.

Also see other chapters (in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran") - f.x. “Muslims are better than other people”, like 25/44 or 68/35+36, and “Age Golden Age of Coexistence".

THE CLAIM THAT ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF PEACE, IS SERIOUSLY WRONG.

One more fundamental point: There NEVER was anything like this in the Bible - see f.x. Jesus' words: "Give to Caesar (meaning the emperor*) what is Caesar's and to Yahweh what is Yahweh's", and also the Bible's damning words about "serving Mammon (money*)". Allah's and Muhammad's greed for riches is one more of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and Jesus and Muhammad far from in the same religion.

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BUT THE MAIN POINT MAY BE THAT THIS IS THE MAIN AND CENTRAL POLITICAL MESSAGE AND ORDER TO ALL ISLAM AND ALL MUSLIMS THEN AND FOREVER - A FACT NON-MUSLIMS SHOULD BE AWARE OF AND N E V E R FORGET. THE OFFICIAL GOAL AND ORDER FOR ISLAM IS TO CONQUER EVERYTHING AND SUPPRESS ALL NON-MUSLIMS TO BECOME SLAVES OR SEMI SLAVES UNDER ISLAM, (and pagans worse off than Jews and Christians.)

This sentence must be seen in connection to 9/33j below.

This is the promised future for non-Muslims under Islam. A religion so full of errors that the book itself proves there is no god behind it. Perhaps the dark forces, but not any god.

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081 9/29d: “Fight those who believe not in Allah - - - until they pay jizya (extra tax - sometimes heavy) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” One of the elements in the sharia laws.

082 9/29e: "- - - Allah and His Prophet (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad's standard, but never proved mantra to glue himself to Allah and to his own platform of power.

###083 9/29h: (Islam is) ”the religion of Truth”. It is not 100% - an understatement - the truth with that many mistakes, etc. and not to forget at least a few lies, in the Quran. That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. The difficult additional question is: With that many mistaken facts - are there also mistakes in the religious claims? And in addition there are the facts of “al-Taqiyya” (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) and broken oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2) and deceit - how much in a religion using such means, is true? Much simply is proved wrong. Plus: With all those errors, etc. it at least it is not made by an omniscient god.

####One may wonder why one so seldom meets the slogan "Islam is the Religion of Honesty" from Islam and from Muslims. But it is as well, because it would not be possible to claim both that Islam is the religion of truth and that Islam is the religion of honesty, without being dishonest. Yes, it is not even possible to claim that Islam is the religion of honesty without being dishonest - remember, al-Taqiyya, Kitman, Hilah, the accepted use of deceit and betrayal, and not least the accepted disuse of even oaths.

####One also may wonder how it is possible for Muslims to believe that a man who introduced and practiced such rules for the use of dishonesty, never deceived them a little to gain and keep power. F.x. by claiming that the religion nobody had heard about before, but which was his platform of power, was "the religion of Truth".

One as said may wonder if there are reasons for that Islam do not claim that "Islam is the Religion of Honesty"

084 9/29j: "- - - (fight the non-Muslims*) (even if they are) of the People of the Book - - - ". An order impossible to misunderstand - from the claimed "good an benevolent god" of "the (claimed) Religion of Peace".

085 9/29m: "- - - until they (non-Muslims*) pay Jizya (to Islam's leaders*)- - -". Strongly contradicted in NT, which says you shall give to the emperor what belongs to the emperor (the tax) and to Yahweh what belonged to Yahweh (the souls*). I.e. do not mix taxation etc. with the religion (f.x. Matt. 22/15-21). Yahweh and Allah the same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets? Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

086 9/29m: "- - - until they (non-Muslims*) pay Jizya - - -". Strongly contradicted in NT, which says you shall give to the emperor what belongs to the emperor (the tax) and to Yahweh what belonged to Yahweh (the souls*). I.e. do not mix taxation etc. with the religion (f.x. Matt. 22/15-21). Yahweh and Allah the same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets? Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

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088 9/29o: (YA1282): “- - - Until they (non-Muslims) pay jizya with willing submission (“an yadin”)”. But the Arab word “an yadin” – literally “from the hand” - has more meanings and it “has been variously interpreted” in Islam. "Clear" language like so often in the Quran.

######089 9/29p: The non-Muslims in Muslim countries shall pay jizya (extra tax), "and feel themselves subdued". A sentence which is NEVER quoted by Muslims in debates. But a most central sentence when it comes to telling what status, power and position non-Muslims according to the Quran shall have in a Muslim state. And it was harsh realities many places in the old times - they had to pay the Jizya under demeaning conditions at times, and the tax could be so high, that it was ruinous at places and times. It literally happened that people had to flee from their homes because the tax was too high.

###090 9/29q: The non-Muslims in Muslim countries shall pay jizya (extra tax), "and feel themselves subdued". What had been the reaction if a non-Muslim country had demanded this for their Muslim citizen? - remember here that also this part of the Quran is valid today and forever.

091 9/30a: "The Jews call 'Uzayr (= Ezra*) a son of God - - -". This is flatly wrong - Ezra was a central person in the rebuilding after the Jews returned from Babylon, but there never was even a whisper about that he was the son of Yahweh. Now, Muslims admits this, but claim that the Jews around Yathrib (Medina) said so. We have not been able to find out if this is true or just another al-Taqiyya, but it also is totally irrelevant: Any god making a Quran had known the truth and not made a blemish like this. Then who made the Quran?

But it is relevant for another question: Why do Muslims mean that it should mean anything what Jews in tiny Medina in the middle of nearly nowhere meant in this case? - did the maker of the Quran live there and get his information by way of an Arabism from the locals? In that case he was no universal, omniscient god.

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Some Muslims claim Ezra falsified OT, but in addition to other facts:

THERE IS ONE STRONG FACT CONNECTED TO JESUS AND THE OTHER OLD JEWISH PROPHETS: ACCORDING TO THE QURAN THEY ALL WERE GOD MUSLIMS - AN IMPOSSIBILITY IF THEIR CLAIMED HOLY BOOKS FROM ALLAH WERE FALSIFIED. THUS THE CLAIMED FALSIFICATION ALSO OF OT CANNOT HAVE HAPPENED UNTIL AFTER JESUS - IF OT ALREADY WAS FALSIFIED JESUS, FOR ONE THING COULD NOT HAVE BEEN A REAL MUSLIM WHEN HE READ FROM THE SCRIPTURES IN THE SYNAGOGUES. AND FOR ANOTHER ALL THE PROPHETS, INCLUDED JESUS, ACCORDING TO ISLAM RECEIVED A COPY FROM HEAVEN. JESUS THEN IMMEDIATELY HAD SEEN THAT THINGS WERE VERY WRING, BECAUSE THE TEXTS ARE EXTREMELY DIFFERENT. BUT ALSO ACCORDING TO THE QURAN, JESUS DID NOT TELL THAT THERE WERE SERIOUS ERRORS IN THE JEWISH SCRIPTURES. #######THIS MEANS THAT ALSO OT CANNOT HAVE BEEN FALSIFIED UNTIL AFTER JESUS, BECAUSE IF IT HAD, THE GOOD MUSLIM JESUS HAD PROTESTED.

B U T T H E R E E X I S T P L E N T Y O F M A N U S C R I P T S A N D F R A G M E N T S O L D E N O U G H T O P R O V E T H A T O T W A S N O T S I M I L A R T O T H E Q U R A N A T T H A T T I M E !!! (F.x. many of the older Qumran scrolls - 972 texts of different ages from 408 BC to 318 AD, with some 40% of them copies from the Hebrew Bible, Tanakh (roughly = OT)). I T W A S S I M I L A R T O T H E S C R I P T U R E S O F T O D A Y !!!

In addition there is the problem: How in case make Jews and Christians agree on what new texts to use when they falsified (parts of) the Quran into OT??? And how to make ALL Jews spread over large parts of the world accept the new and falsified holy scriptures without protests - and destroy all the old copies so thoroughly that not one piece of any of them has been found later? This in addition to the claimed falsification of NT and all the impossibilities and improbabilities which have to be "explained" away concerning the claimed falsification of NT.

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092 9/30e: “- - - the Christians call Christ the son of God - - - (in this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old (the Jews*) used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: - - -”. We are back to the old facts: Jesus himself many times called God “father”. There were lots of witnesses to this. It was written down a few years later. The Quran vehemently denies it. The Quran has neither witnesses nor any other proofs. The Quran was written more than 600 years later and all the same offers only claims and statements - not one document. Muhammad had a lot to gain if Jesus was not the son of God - if Jesus is closely related to God, Muhammad obviously was not the greatest of prophets (irony; he in reality was no real prophet as he did not have the gift of being able to make prophesies - he never even claimed or pretended to have it, but on the contrary the Quran denies he had that gift), and though Muslims may be right that Muhammad personally did not care all too much about money except for using it for bribes, there is no doubt that he liked power and that he spent large sums for “buying” followers (his lust for power is easy to see from the texts in the Quran and the Hadiths). The end of the quote is rather sympathetic (?!). Similar statements in 2/116 – 4/171 – 10/68 – 17/111 – 18/4 – 18/5 -19/88-89 – 23/91 – 25/2.The reason for this quote may be threefold:

Muhammad’s obsession with that there only was one god.

The fact that if Jesus in some way was the son of God/Yahweh, Muhammad very obviously was not the greatest of prophets.

If Jesus was the son of the god, would be difficult to make people listen to Muhammad and not to the Bible – tales about falsified Bible or not.

If Muhammad partly believed in his own religion, point 1 may have been the main one. If he did not – and very clearly he knew that parts of it were not true (f.x. the explanations why he could not make miracles) – parts 2 and 3 were the main ones (minding his platform of power).

093 9/30f: “- - - how they (among others the Christians*) are deluded away from the Truth! (that the god has no son, or may be from the claimed truth of the Quran*)”. That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. For comments see among others 9/30c just above. Besides: Living according to a "holy" book so full of mistakes that it is from no god, like the Quran, also may be a delusion.

And as for Jesus being the son of Yahweh, which is what the Quran is protesting against, this is said at least 89 times in the Bible, and that Yahweh was the father of Jesus at least 204 times - in both cases many times by Jesus himself, and even the Quran admits that Jesus was reliable.

094 9/31e : "- - - yet they (the Christians*) were commanded to worship but One God - - -". Muhammad never understood the Christian religion and thinking. According to Christians there is only one god. Then there is a figure - a helper or something (the son, Jesus) - who in reality gets his light and his power from God/Yahweh. And then there is something more diffuse and seldom seen; The messenger boy or something, named the Holy Spirit (sometimes wrongly claimed to be the arch angel Gabriel by Muslims who have never read the Bible, or who have read it with a closed mind). To use a picture: There is one sun. Then there is a moon which gets its light from the sun. And there is the seldom seen satellite somewhere around. But only one sun. And that is the complete "pantheon". To mix Mary into the Trinity (like Muhammad does at least one place in the Quran) just is one more proof for that no god made the Quran, and for that Muhammad did not understand the trinity. Mary and the other saints (only for the Catholics, and not for all of them) are not divine. In Islam some good Muslims end in the higher heavens closer to Allah. In the same way Catholics believe that some really good Christians end up closer to God in Heaven - though figuratively. And just like Muhammad claimed he can interfere for whom he like on the Last Day, Catholics believe that as these normal, but good, humans called saint can interfere with God on our behalf, as they are closer to him. But as this is not a part of the Bible, the Protestants - and the Sunni Muslims - may be right: May be there are no saints.

095 9/31g: "- - - Praise and glory to Him (Allah*)". Please read 1/1a above and see if you think he deserves it.

096 9/32b: "- - - Allah will not allow but that His Light should be perfected". This he only can decide if he exists. And as for light, see 9/32a just above.

##097 9/33a: “It is He (Allah*) Who hath sent his Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -“. That is one of the really big questions: Was he really sent? There are too many indications for that the Quran is not made by an omniscient god – actually it is 100% sure that no such god would make that many mistakes, contradictions, etc. And if he all the same is sent, the some 22-24 surahs from Medina makes it as 100% sure that he was not sent by a good or benevolent god – the religion as it is painted especially in that part the Quran, is by far too inhuman, immoral, and diabolic for that. In case he was sent, the surahs from Medina prove he in case was sent by some dark forces. May be by the Devil pretending to be Gabriel - Muhammad would have no chance to see the difference. Another alternative that it is sent by a sick brain – f.x. TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) like parts of modern medical science believe? Or perhaps just by a cold brain wanting power - f.x. Muhammad himself?

098 9/33e: "It is He (Allah*) Who hath sent his Messenger (Muhammad*) with Guidance - - -". A teaching like Muhammad's with that many mistakes, etc. - just read the Quran - is not much of guidance. No preacher preaching such tales is from a god.

099 9/33i: “It is He (Allah*) Who hath sent his Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of the Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest it”. With plain words: Accept it whether you like it or not – as there is “no Compulsion in Religion.” The goal according to the Quran is worldwide total domination. This verse contradicts (and abrogates) at least these verses (here are 88 out of the 124 Muslim scholars say are abrogated by 9/5): 2/109, 2/190, 2/256, 2/272, 3/20, 4/62, 4/81, 4/90, 5/3, 5/28, 5/48, 5/99, 6/60, 6/66, 6/70, 6/104, 6/107, 6/112, 6/158, 7/87, 7/188, 7/193, 7/199, 8/61, 9/68, 10/41, 10/99, 10/102, 10/108, 11/12, 11/121, 13/40, 15/3, 15/94, 16/35, 16/82, 16/125, 16/126, 16/127, 17/54, 18/29, 18/56, 19/39, 20/130, 21/107, 21/112, 22/49, 22/68, 23/54, 23/96, 24/54, 26/216, 27/92, 28/50, 28/55, 29/18, 29/46, 32/30, 34/25, 34/28, 35/23, 35/24a, 36/17, 39/41, 41/34, 42/6, 42/15, 42/48, 43/83, 43/89, 44/59, 45/14, 46/9, 46/135a, 46/135b, 46/135b, 50/39, 50/45, 51/50-51, 51/54, 52/45, 52/47, 53/29, 67/26, 73/10, 73/11, 79/45, 86/17, 88/22, 109/6. They are all quoted under 9/5. (At least 91 contradictions).

But no omniscient god needs to contradict himself. Then who - if any - was Muhammad's claimed contact?

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###100 9/33j: "- - - to proclaim it (Islam*) over all religion - - -". This is a sentence to beware of, because this is the official goal for Islam even today and for all foreseeable future: Dominate and suppress all others.

This sentence must be seen in connection to 9/29c above.

This is the promised future for non-Muslims under Islam. A religion so full of errors that the book itself proves there is no god behind it. Perhaps the dark forces, but not any god.

And it is symptomatic that parallel to this, Islam claims that non-Muslims treat them badly when informing about realities in and connected to Islam, because "according to ethics and rules of modern era interference in anyone's religion is serious crime which cannot be tolerated".

Not even telling true facts?

Malaysia is now (2014) debating to introduce laws making it a punishable crime to insult Islam in any way. Not prohibiting insulting religions, just prohibiting insulting Islam. The Islamic way of fair play.

Yes, even correct information about Islam is "serious crime which cannot be tolerated" from "people having destructive minds" and "dirty minds", and they are "criminal minded people". On the background of burning and demolition of churches, etc., and on Muslims' discrimination, mistreatment, and even murder of non-Muslims which Islam does little to stop, words like these receive negative reactions instead of sympathy - who likes obvious hypocrisy?

###"The permission to inform about and debate all and everything is the heart blood of democracy. Laws prohibiting debating what the rulers do not like informed about, is the heart blood of despotism". NB: This quote is not from a Muslim source.

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###101 9/33ja: "- - - to proclaim it (Islam*) over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest it - - -". What other people want, does not matter much to Muslims and Islam. This even though if the Quran is a made up book, Islam itself is a pagan religion - and especially so if the book is from or inspired by the dark forces, like large parts of both the book and its moral code may indicate.

102 9/34c: "- - - the Way of Allah - - -". Does the Quran represent the way of Allah, when all the mistakes, etc. in it proves it is not from a god? What does it in case prove about Allah?

103 9/34d: "And there are those who bury gold and silver and spend it not in the Way of Allah - - -". You should spend at least some of your money in ways advice by the Quran - for the poor, for spreading Islam, for paying for the costs of war, etc. But here Muhammad talks about priests, etc. And no matter whether those priest were Jewish or Christian, they had extremely good reasons for not spending it "in the Way of Allah" - and especially not on war expenses for Muhammad and Islam.

104 9/34e: "And there are those who bury silver and gold and spend it not in the Way of Allah: announce unto them a most grievous penalty - - -". If you are well off and do not spend at least a reasonable part of your wealth for religiously accepted purposes - which includes waging war on non-Muslims - you will be strongly punished. A nice rule for a warlord who needed to finance wars and raids.

105 9/35b: This verse is among the many "Biblical" verses not from the Bible.

106 9/36a: "The number of months in the sight of Allah is twelve (in a year) - so ordained by Him the day He created the heavens and the earth - - -". This is worth some remarks:

1. The Muslim months follow the moon, not the real year like in most of the world. But as such a month is shorter than 1/12 of a year, the Muslim year ends up being some 354 days only.

2. This means that the Muslim year is an artificial construction - perhaps constructed by such a simple thing as Muhammad longing for his wives (he once quarreled with them, and swore he would not return to them until a month had passed. He returned after 29 days, claiming a month was 29 days). Or maybe he adopted the old pagan Arab system with that short months, (but they added extra months when needed to synchronize their years with the real years - something Muhammad omitted).

3. The result is that the Muslim year as said is an artificial one, being some 11 days shorter than the natural year. A natural year is the time it takes Earth to go around the sun exactly one time.

4. The result is that the Muslim year - and all religious holidays - wanders along the real year during ca. 33 natural years, and that 100 natural years = ca. 103 Muslim years. But as Allah according to Islam ordained this the day he created the heavens (plural and wrong) and the Earth, there is more to the story:

5. When the Earth was young, the day was much shorter - may be as short as 12 hours. Are 28-29 days today the same as 28-29 days when Allah ordained this?

6. When the moon was young, it was much closed to Earth - perhaps as close as 15ooo km, and circumnavigated Earth a 2-3 times in 24 hours (you have to be ca. 36ooo km up to need one day). This means that at that time 12 months were 5-6 of our days or less. If Allah ordained a year to be 5-6 days - or perhaps a dozen days as the days of that time were much shorter - can it then be correct that it now is some 60-70 times longer?

7. The days are still slowly becoming longer (the reason is that Earth transfers momentum to the moon, and consequently little by little rotates more slowly). This means that in the far future a moon month will be longer than a calendar month. Will a year still be 12 months?

8. After enough years the rotation of the Earth has slowed so much that one day corresponds to the time it takes the moon to circumnavigate the Earth. (It is likely the process will stop there, for from then on Earth will not transfer more momentum to the moon). That means that the moon seems to stand still at one place over the Earth all the time - f.x. over Sumatra - and there will be no months any more. How long is the year then?

Allah orders a year now some 11 days shorter than a natural year. Yahweh does not even mention something similar. Are they not the same god with the same rules?

107 9/36c: "- - - of them (the months*) four are sacred". Months numbers 1, 7, 11, 12, are sacred in Islam - f.x. is fighting prohibited (if it is not forced on you) - though the Muslims broke the rule and Allah said it was ok - according to Muhammad. Like most old traditions in Islam, this is taken over from the old Arab pagan religion and the old Arab pagan traditions (few traditions and rules from far away from Arabia - curious for a world religion and a world god. Also curious is that the old pagan Arabs used just the traditions and rites Allah likes) - as far as we know, there is nothing similar anywhere else.

108 9/36e: “- - - fight the Pagans all together - - -". Not from the Bible, not to mention from NT. The Quran and especially NT are exactly opposite each other here.

109 9/36f: “- - - fight the Pagans all together as they fight you all together - - -.” An order and an incitement too god to overlook – at this time (631 AD) Muhammad finally had got the upper hand, and from now on and for centuries to come, most wars the Muslims fought, were wars of aggression and wars of looting and plunder and enslavement + expansion and enlargement of power and of the religion.

110 9/36g: "But know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves". Please read the history - the real one - about Muhammad and about Islam. Did any of them live up to this? AND HOW MANY MUSLIMS WHEN THERE ARE POGROMSRESTRAIN THEMSELVES DESTROYING NON-MUSLIM PROPERTY, INCLUDED CHURCHES WHEN THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE, ETC. AND NON-MUSLIMS' LIVING AND EVEN their LIVES?

111 9/37b: "Verily the transposing (of a prohibited (f.x. to fight*) month) is an addition to Unbelief". The Arabs had a month calendar of 12 moon months. To make it follow the natural year they sometimes added a month (normally in year number 3, 5 and 8 in an 8-year cycle). These additions moved the holy months in which it among other things was prohibited to fight. But Allah forbade such additions, according to Muhammad. (This resulted in the artificial Muslim year.)

112 9/37f: "But Allah guideth not those who reject Faith". But as the Quran is not from a god - too much is wrong - - does he guide Muslims? It has never been proved.

113 9/38b: “O ye who believe! What is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the Cause of Allah (= to go to war*), ye cling heavily to the earth. Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter?” A very rhetoric question it is very difficult for a really pious Muslim not to answer “no” to. And also a question which tells a lot about Islam.

114 9/38ba: “O ye who believe! What is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the Cause of Allah (= to go to war*), ye cling heavily to the earth. Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter?” Incompatible to the Bible, and especially to NT. One of the many 100% proofs in the Quran for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same line of prophets OR religion - in addition to that Muhammad with his inability to make prophesies, was no real prophet at all.

115 9/38c: "But little is the comfort in this life, as compared with the hereafter (the claimed next life)". Often claimed, never proved. But a cheap way for Muhammad to pay his warriors.

###116 NB: 9/38d: In connection to verse 9/38 we quote from comment YA1299: "When a call (for war*) is made on behalf of a great cause (Islam*), the fortunate ones are those who have the privilege of responding to the call. The unfortunate ones are those who are so engrossed in their parochial affairs that they turn a deaf ear to the appeal. They are suffering from a spiritual disease". ####These comments are from our times, so you see that even now Muslim scholars mean that if you do not want to go to war whenever the religion calls, you are mentally ill. Further comments necessary?

And YA1300: "The choice is between two courses: will you choose a noble adventure (war*) and the glorious privilege of following your spiritual leader (to war), or grovel in the earth for some small worldly gain or for fear of worldly loss (f.x. your life or health*)?" "The Religion of Peace" anno nowadays.

Islam "the Religion of Peace" even today? Do not laugh - weep.

Perhaps there is a reason why Muslims seldom claim: "Islam is the Religion of Honesty?

117 9/38e: There is nothing like this in the Bible - not even in the OT (not to mention NT). Yahweh and Allah the same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets or the same religion? Believe it if you are able to.

###118 9/39a: “Unless ye (Muslims*) go forth (in war/battle for Islam/Muhammad*), He (Allah*) will punish you with a grievous penalty (normally in the Quran a synonym for Hell*) - - -”. An order not possible to misunderstand for a pious - or fanatic - Muslim.

Yes, a religion built on peace, goodness and heavenly moral and ethics.

THIS IS THE ORDER ALSO TODAY - JUST LISTEN TO SOME IMAMS, ETC. - see 9/38d.

THIS VERSE TELLS HORRIBLY MUCH ABOUT ISLAM AS IT IS TAUGHT IN THE QURAN.

VERSES LIKE THIS - THERE ARE MANY - AND QUOTES LIKE IN 9/38d TELL CHILLING FACTS ABOUT HOW ISLAM IS TAUGHT IN MADRASAS (RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS), MOSQUES, AND ISLAMIC MEDIA ALSO TODAY. WHEN THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NICE WORDS AND CLAIMS (F.X. "ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF PEACE") AND REALITY GIVEN IN TEACHING, IDEOLOGY, DEMANDS, AND ORDERS, WE ALWAYS BELIEVE IN THE REALITY.

One of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - not to mention that Jesus and Muhammad were not in the same religion.

Islam "the Religion of Peace"? Do not laugh - it is impolite.

119 9/39c: "- - - put others in your (not good enough Muslims'*) place - - -". This is a threat you meet some places in the Quran; if you are not good enough Muslims, Allah may kill you all and let other people take over your positions and places to live. The Quran even claims that the ruins scattered here and there in and around Arabia are results of such punishments from Allah (science tells there are a number of other and more likely explanations) In Pakistan a few years ago (2008?) in connection with the question of restoring some old ruins and keep them as national treasures, there came serious propositions for instead just to put up placards with warnings that this was what Allah did to not pious people. No comments.

May be worse: Wall Street Journal, 9. April 2002. Compensation - also named "blood money" - for killing or in other ways causing a person's death in Saudi Arabia, was as follows:

100.ooo riyals if the victim is a Muslim man.

50.ooo riyals if the victim is a Muslim woman.

50.ooo riyals if the victim is a Christian man.

25.ooo riyals if the victim is a Christian woman.

6.666 riyals if the victim is a Hindu man.

3.333 riyals if the victim is a Hindu woman.

No comment necessary. A Muslim man is f.x. worth 33 Hindu women. Still no comment necessary - except that this is completely in line with the Quran and with the judicial and moral codes in Muslim culture.

Non-Muslims and especially "Pagans": Declare you are Muslim before you are killed. This will give your children more money to survive on.

120 9/39d: "For Allah hath power over all things". Often claimed, never proved. Reality or boasting?

121 9/39e: There is nothing like this in the Bible - not even in the OT (not to mention NT). Yahweh and Allah the same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets or religion? Believe it if you are able to.

122 9/40a: “If ye help not (your Leader (then Muhammad - today any religious leader?*)), (it is no matter (for Allah helps*)).” This is said partly on a special background, but like so many places in the Quran, it may mean all Muslims at any time. Help your leaders in war and atrocities – just like what Muhammad needed help for often.

123 9/40g: "- - - (Allah*) strengthened him (Muhammad*) with forces which ye (humans*) saw not (= angels*) - - -". Often claimed - especially in connection with battles - but never proved.

124 9/40h: "- - - Allah is Exalted in might - - -". Often claimed, never proved.

125 9/40i: "- - - Allah is - - - Wise". Not if the Quran represents his wisdom.

Another fact: If Allah delivered the Quran and all its mistaken facts and other errors, all its internal and external contradictions, all its invalid logic, etc. there is a good reason to laugh - and laugh loudly - from claims like this.

126 9/41a: “Go ye forth (whether equipped) lightly or heavily, and strive and struggle (= fight*), with your goods and your person (money and life*), in the Cause of Allah. That is best for you, if you but knew”. Any comment necessary? The benevolent "Religion of Peace"?

Islam really "the Religion of Peace"? Do not laugh - it is impolite.

127 9/41c: There is nothing like this in the Bible - not even in the OT (not to mention NT). Yahweh and Allah the same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets? Believe it if you are able to.

128 9/42c: "- - - Allah doth know that they (lukewarm Muslims*) are certainly lying". Allah knows everything - do not try to cheat.

##129 9/44a: “Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask for no exemption from striving with their goods and persons (= waging war*)”.

If you are a real Muslim, you do not refrain from going to war.

##130 9/44b: “Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask for no exemption from striving with their goods and persons (= waging war*)”. Even if you omit the fact that the Bible is about Yahweh, not about Allah, this is in strong contradiction to especially NT. Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets? - or in the same religion? Believe it if you are able to.

"The Religion of Peace"?

131 9/44d: "- - - striving with their goods and persons". This is Quran-speak for using ones wealth and risking one’s life in war for Allah - or if Allah does not exist, at least for Muhammad.

There is nothing like this in Jesus' words - on the contrary, Jesus accepted no armed fighting. One more of the strong indications for that Jesus and Muhammad were not in the same religion.

132 9/44e: “And Allah knoweth well those (the Muslims going to war for Allah/Muhammad*) who do their duty”. It is not possible to deny - like most Muslims and many politically correct others try to do today - that war (against “unbelievers”) is a duty for Muslims. It is impossible to say it more directly than the Quran does here. And also that Allah knows the ones who goes to war - and the ones who do not. Ominous for the ones who do not. Also see 2/233h above. "The Religion of Peace"? - do not laugh, it is impolite.

133 9/46c: "- - - He (Allah*) made them (some Muslims*) lag behind (and do not go to war) - - -". Allah made them lag behind, but they were punishing in many ways anyhow. There especially is one story in Hadiths about psychological cruelty and punishment which is worthy the brainwashed and brainwashing Soviet Union of Stalin.

134 9/47c: “But Allah knoweth well those who do wrong (= those not wanting to go to war*)”. The terrorists are right: It is not the terrorists who do wrong, it is the ones reluctant to murder and kill and fight. Really a religion for peace and goodness run by a benevolent god. The sentence also is a warning: Go to war, or else - - -!

135 9/47e: This verse mainly is a pep-talk to the warriors about the bad quality of the ones who did not want to go to war. Strongly contradicted by the Bible, and especially by NT. Jesus and Muhammad belonging to the same line of prophets? Impossible is the only possible word, because we do not know a stronger one. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

136 9/48c: “- - - until the Truth (the Quran*) arrived, - - -”. That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. With that much untrue facts, mistaken grammar, contradictions, and perhaps mistakes in the religious statements (why should they be exceptions?), the Quran at best is partly true. Also see 13/1

137 9/48e: “- - - the Decree of Allah became manifest - - -“. The “decrees from Allah” – the Quran - contains so many mistakes, etc., that they are not from an omniscient god. That is: Either Allah is not omniscient or the Quran is not from Allah. Something is seriously wrong.

138 9/49c: “(Many say*) ‘Grant me exception (from going to war*) and draw me not into trial’. Have they not fallen into trial already?” The Muslims not wanting war are already judged and doomed.

######BUT THERE IS AN EXTRA POINT HERE: MUSLIMS SHOULD NOT BE JUDGED BAD JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE MUSLIMS - WITH A PARTLY HORRIBLE MORAL CODE, ETC. - THE MAJORITY IS JUST AS HUMAN AS NON-MUSLIMS, and f.x. not wanting wars.

139 9/49d: "- - - trial - - -". Why does an omniscient, predestinating good need to put his people through trials?

140 9/49f: "Have they (the ones not wanting to go to war*) not fallen into trial already?" Indication: They have been tried by the order to go to war, and found that they are proved to be "too light" and wanting in the eyes of Muhammad and Allah by asking exemption.

141 9/49g: "And indeed Hell surrounded the Unbelievers (on all sides)". See 3/77b above.

####142 9/51a: “Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us - - -”. Allah decides everything. The predestination - but where then is the claimed free will of man which justifies Allah's punishments for sins? - not even Islam is able to explain that. Islam even admits it is not possible to explain it, but adds lamely that it all the same must be true, because Allah says so in the Quran(!!) (A6/141 - 6/143 in English 2008 edition). The ultimate defeat for the brain vs. blind belief and "taqlid".

And where is the effect of prayers in Islam, if Allah already has predestined what is going to happen, like the Quran tells he always do?

143 9/51c: “Nothing can happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us - - -”. Well, Islam tells it is the free will of man that brings on bad incidents in life. This verse contradicts that, to say the least of it. So just go safely to war.

A warrior or terrorist can only win - riches and glory or Paradise. (Mutilation, becoming a cripple etc. is never mentioned).

Well, as said he may become a cripple f.x. and live a long life in misery - but that is never mentioned. Also his family may live in misery (and the same if the father in the family is killed) - also never mentioned.

Also the Quran NEVER mentions that the non-Muslims are humans and what the devastation of their culture and lives means to them - it is of absolutely no consequence and without the slightest interest to Islam or Muslims. The destruction of Persia - and for that case the East Roman culture or the terror in Pakistan/India and Africa - represented long series of terrible dramas and catastrophes for people and culture and science, but the only things which counted - and still counts - for Islam, was/is claimed heroism, a lot of spoils of war - and power and riches for their leaders, and like it or not: Frequently forcing people to become Muslims - frequently by weapons, and always using social and other kinds of pressure - and by extra tax (jizya), often high. Even today we have never met a Muslim able to see this side of their wars or murders or suppression, not to mention what rape and enslavement meant to millions of victims - never to this day, not one single time have we heard a Muslim regret this. Only in the western culture and in Buddhism the ability to see the fate of the victims is widespread - a military weak spot, but one of the points which perhaps make the western culture better than some others of the big ones. (To say anything good about the West is politically incorrect, but we do not care for what is politically correct - we are able to think ourselves, and what counts is what is correct, not what is politically correct).

####144 9/51ca: “Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us - - -”. Allah decides everything. The predestination - - - and totally incompatible with the Bible, even though Yahweh sometimes directs point of the future.

145 9/51e: This verse is not from the Bible (actually little, if any, "Biblical" stuff in the Quran is from the Bible itself). Predestination in the meaning of what you find in the Quran, does not exist in the Bible - one of the very solid proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - the teachings are far too different also on the fundamental points.

146 9/52a: “Can you see for us (Muslims*) (any fate) other than the two glorious things – (martyrdom or victory)?” Definitely yes: We can see the war cripple. We can see the families destroyed because the husband/father is dead – or a cripple. We can on the other hand see men building their country instead of destroying neighboring countries - or at least leaving their neighbors in peace, so that the neighbors can build their countries. And we are able to see the price of war: Brutalized humans and destruction – a war never builds anything, it destroys. And we also can see the second possibility the Quran never mentions, except as minor set-backs: Defeat. Islam may give some of the victors a chance to steal and suppress and become rich – but for a terrible price for others. But this price the Quran never mentions and never cares about - it is as said paid by others.

###Islam seems to represent such a backward culture, that its members were and to a large degree are unable to see - or care for - what catastrophes and destroyed lives they inflict on others, as long as they themselves become rich and perhaps powerful. No price is too high for a good life and riches - - - as long as others have to pay for it.

Well, to inflict the religion on others also counts and counted for some of them. A religion built on a book so full of mistakes, contradictions and other errors, which prove it is not from any god.

Islam "the Religion of Peace"? Do not laugh - it is impolite.

147 9/52b: “Can you see for us (Muslims*) (any fate) other than the two glorious things – (martyrdom or victory)?” A glorification of war which is an absolute contradiction to the Bible, and with a non-existence of such glorification much stronger in NT. One more of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are different gods - if any of them exists, and for that Jesus and Muhammad are not from the same line of prophets (in addition to that Muhammad was no real prophet - he was unable to make prophesies).

####148 9/52c: "But we (Muslims*) can expect for you (non-Muslims*) either that Allah will send his punishment from Himself, or by our hands". The last part of the sentence means that when Muslims are fighting or in other ways are being adverse to non-Muslims, they are doing the work of Allah - punishing them for him. Mistreating, raping, extorting, suppressing, torturing, murdering non-Muslims are sermons to Allah! Comments? Yahweh and Allah the same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same religion? No comments necessary.

Islam "the Religion of Peace"? Do not laugh - it is impolite.

149 9/53: "Spend (for the Cause) willingly or unwillingly - - -". There is nothing similar in the Bible. Not the same god - or prophet (or "prophet") - speaking.

150 9/53-54: May be Allah did not accept their (more or less hypocrites*) contributions, but the hypocrite had to be a bit notorious for that Muslims should not accept it.

151 9/54c: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". There is no god behind a "messenger" preaching a "message" so full of mistakes, contradictions, unclear words, invalid logic, etc, like Muhammad. No god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran.

152 9/55a: "- - - in reality Allah's Plan is to punish them (the rich non-Muslims) - - - and that their souls may perish - - -". A standard "explanation" of how it could be that many non-Muslims had a better life than Muslims.

153 9/56-57: Not everybody wanted to go to war - a pep-talk against these ones. (#######But when judging Muslims, remember that large numbers of them do not want war - just like you and me they only want a life in peace and quiet and a reasonably standard of living, together with their loved ones. They are humans just like everybody else. Of course it may be difficult to know who of the Muslims are humans and who are more or less inhumanized by the hate and war and apartheid/superiority complex religion, but none should be judged bad only because he/she is a Muslim.)

154 9/58a: "- - - men who slander thee (Muhammad*) in the matter of (the distribution) of the alms - - -". Muhammad often used the riches of Islam - stolen valuables - as "gifts"/bribes to make unsure persons stay Muslims or become Muslims. Then it was not always plenty for the needy - nor always leaving a "fair" share of the booty to the real warriors. Both produced dissatisfaction.

155 9/59a: "If they (Muslims*) had been content with what Allah and His Prophet (Muhammad*) gave them". It was Muhammad who split the loot and not all were satisfied with their lot. To reduce his blame and to put weight behind his claim, he adds Allah. "Accept the authorities and be content with what they/Muhammad decide!" This is any dictator's point of view - be satisfied with what I decide and what I do.

156 9/59b: "- - - Allah and His Prophet (Muhammad*) - - -". A standard version of the mantra to keep Muhammad glued to Allah and to his platform of power; Allah.

157 9/59c: "- - - Allah and His Prophet (Muhammad*) - - -". No god would give his prophet so much wrong knowledge, contradictions, etc.

158 9/59f: "Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) will soon give us of His bounty - - -". See 58 and 59a above.

####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more for him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.

159 9/59i: "- - - to Allah do we turn our (Muslims') hopes!" It has never to our knowledge been showed that such hopes have been fulfilled to a larger degree than what other causes than a god may explain.

###160 9/60a: "Alms are for(:*)"

- the poor and the needy,

- and (for*) those employed to administer the (funds);

- for those whose hearts have been (recently) reconciled (to Truth (= new Muslims*)) (many new Muslims were not very strong in the belief, and besides many did not enter Islam because of the religion, but to be able to gain/rob riches, slaves and women. Hadiths tells about "gifts" to tribal chiefs of up to a hundred camels - stolen/robbed from non-Muslims - bribes to make those chiefs wanting to continue to follow Muhammad. Hadiths also tell about episodes where his older followers grumbled because new follower got too much of the spoils and they themselves too little, and where Muhammad explained that it was wise to give weak believers much to make them continue staying in the religion*);

- for those in bondage (NB: Muslim such*) and in debt;

- in the cause of Allah (= for spreading Islam - without or with use of arms. According to our sources a lot was used for this - military actions cost money. There are few other religions where gifts for financing of raids for stealing/robbing, etc., and for war - normally of aggression - are reckoned to be alms);

and for the wayfarer (to a large degree pilgrims to Mecca*):

 

(thus is it) ordained by Allah - - -". 

(For the sake of better overview, we here have use another lay-out than the Yusuf Ali.)

These rules also were for the use of the zakat - the so-called "poor-tax" - a tax every Muslim who was/is not too poor had/has to pay to the rulers. Mainly it is 2.5% of what you own - not of your income, but of what you own).

161 9/60b: “- - - reconciled (to Truth) - - -”. That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. See 9/48c, 13/1g and many others - though in just this case it is likely to be meant "reconciled to Islam". The Quran is unclear like so often. The excellent work of a god?

The fact is that the never proved claim "Islam is the Religion of Truth" is as wrong as the seldom used claim "Islam it the Religion of Honesty".

162 9/60d: "- - - in the cause of Allah - - -". = to defend or promote Islam, included to wage war. Quite a lot of this "budget" was used for weapons and other war equipment, and for waging war.

163 9/60e: "- - - Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom". Perhaps true - but in that case someone else made the Quran.

164 9/61d: "He (Muhammad*) is all ear". Muhammad told known stories - stories he (and everyone else) had heard - he just twisted them to make them fir his preaching. There also was a rumor telling that Muhammad was a bit naive and believed most of what he was told.

165 9/61f: "(Muhammad*) is a Mercy to those of you who believe (Muslims*)". Muhammad a mercy? - as we have said before: When there is a discrepancy between reality and glorifying words or propaganda, we always believe in reality.

166 9/62a: "- - - it is more fitting if they (people*) should please Allah and his Messenger, if they are Believers". A nice piece of divine declaration for any dictator.

167 9/63a "Know they (non-Muslims*) that for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*), is the Fire of Hell - - -". Nobody knows this. Most Muslims believe it, but no-one knows it, as there only is the word of a man with very special moral and ethics for it. But also see 9/62a above.

168 9/63b: "- - - for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*), is the Fire of Hell - - -". As for all practical purposes here on Earth this meant opposition to Muhammad, this sentence in reality means: "- - - for those who oppose Muhammad, is the Fire of Hell". A strong argument for a warlord. Also see 3/77b and 9/62a above.

169 9/63e: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 9/88b, 16/44d and 63/5a below.

170 9/64a: "- - - But verily (it definitely is no proved verity/truth*) Allah will bring to light all that ye (bad people*) fear (should be revealed)". For one thing we here are back to the old fact that this cannot happen unless Allah really exists. And for another: In all history we have read or heard about not one single proved case where Allah has done this.

171 9/64c: "- - - verily, Allah will bring to light - - -". Allah or something/somebody else? Allah himself can do nothing unless he exists, and little unless he in addition is something supernatural.

172 9/65c: "- - - Allah - - - and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad's standard, but never proved mantra to glue himself to his god and platform of power.

173 9/65f: "- - - His (Allah's*) Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 9/88b, 16/44d and 63/5a below.

174 9/66b: “If We (Allah*) pardons some of you (apostates from Islam*) - - -.” To leave Islam is one of the deadly sins, and to be pardoned without regretting deeply is impossible. Contradicted by a number of the verses under 2/256 - see this. More about this verse under verse 9/5 in the chapter: Abrogations in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran".

(Contradicts many verses – at least 10 contradictions).

As for pardoning: Even if Allah should happen to exist and be a god - and a god correctly described among all the errors in the Quran - is it possible for him to pardon anybody? It in case will mean that his predestined Plan will have to be changed, and that is impossible according to several clear statements in the Quran.

9/175 9/67a: "The Hypocrites - - - enjoin evil, and forbid what is just, and are close with their hands. They have forgotten Allah, so He hath forgotten them. Verily the Hypocrites are rebellious and perverse". A pep-talk where Muhammad tells his followers how bad people they are who do not believe in him. Good psychology as long as the followers believe it - and people in religious fervor often believe their prophet or "prophet" no matter what is true and what is not. Also see 9/67b-through-f below.

176 9/67f: “Verily the Hypocrites are rebellious and perverse.” Persons not really believing in Muhammad and his new religion are - have to be - bad and perverse. Not strange Muslims are reluctant to be integrated among such people.

177 9/67i: "- - - perverse - - -". This is one of the strong, but cheap bad words Muhammad rather often uses about non-Muslims. For persons believing it - and other such words - is/are true, it has a strong effect of inducing distance and distaste and stronger reactions - effect often wanted by leaders of religious, political and other organizations - especially among the more extreme ones. In aggressive ideologies it also makes it easier to make followers react violently and often with hate against others. E.g. Nazism, other strong fascistic organizations, extreme Muslims, extreme communism. etc.

178 9/68a: "Allah hat promised - - -". Of no consequence if he does not exist - or if he exists, but is no god. If he f.x. is a camouflaged member of the dark forces, some of his promises, f.x. about Hell, may be worth noticing.

179 9/69: "As for the case of those before you: they were mightier than you in power, and more flourishing in wealth and children." In and around Arabia there were old ruins - and old tales about former people. Muhammad used to claim that they all were destroyed because they refused or sinned against Allah, and this even if they were stronger and richer than the ones he was preaching for (= an even stronger Allah). Science has other possible explanations for empty ruins and destruction of older tribes in a harsh land and with a warlike tradition and (un)culture.

180 9/70b: Noah and Abraham are names from the Bible. Ad, Thamud and "the men of Midian" are names of tribes in Arab folklore (Median - really Madyan in case - is not likely to be the same area to which Moses fled after he killed a man in Egypt, according to the Bible, and is a part of Arabia (in the west). But Moses' Midian also may have been in Sudan - one does not know if he fled east or south. And to fulfill the logic: As the Bible mentions Mt. Horeb (likely another name for Mt. Sinai (today Jabal Musa according to Muslims (34 degrees east, 28.5 degrees east. Roughly 70 km north northwest from Sharm-el-Sheik (Sharm el Shaykh) far south in central Sinai.) Also Islam confirms that it was here Moses met his god and got the mission to take the Jews out from Egypt. This is far from Madyan in Arabia)), it is extremely likely Moses' Midian was in Sinai.

##There is a little additional question concerning Midian in the Quran though: Is this a case similar to Abraham's Paran (El Paran - 1. Mos. 14/6)? Near Mecca there is an area named Faran. Islam has more or less renamed this to Paran, and as the names then are similar, they claim this was Abraham's Paran, even though the Bible indicates it was much further west.

181 9/70c: "- - - Abraham's people - - -". Here is a list of people and tribes who according to the Quran were destroyed because they did not accept Allah or sinned against him. But the possible sin and punishment of Abraham's people are not mentioned in the Quran. Some Muslim scholars tell it must be the Babylonians who were "Abraham's people" (Ur in Chaldea was not too far off) and the fall of the first Babylonian empire the punishment. But Abraham - if he is not fiction - lived around 1800 - 2000 BC. Babylon fell to Assyria around 1100 BC. The time simply is wrong by some 800 years (but then Islam too often does not care too much about the truth or not, as long as one can get a seemingly logical explanation which corresponds to the Quran, and which little educated and/or wishful believers may believe in - you meet this fact a little too often.)

In the Bible there is nothing about punishment of Abraham's people. It only says that his father left them and went north, heading for Canaan in the northwest, and brought his son Abram (later renamed by Yahweh to Abraham) and his grandson Lot along - which means that in the Bible there also is nothing about religious or any other quarrel between Abram and his father. Also the story about the pagan gods Abram destroyed and the religious quarrel he had with his people according to the Quran, is not from the Bible - the only perhaps reliable source for information about Abram/Abraham.

182 9/70e: "- - - came their messengers - - -". The Quran claims all nations/groups/cultures all over the world and to all times have had messengers/prophets teaching Islam - Hadiths mention the number 124ooo prophets/messengers through the times. Except for the Jewish prophets - who did not teach about Allah, but about Yahweh - neither science nor Islam has found one single trace of even one of them. If not Islam brings solid proofs - but proofs, not loose claims - we judge that this just is a made up claim.

183 9/70g: "It is not Allah Who wrongs them (hypocrites*), but they wrong their own souls". How come when Allah decides absolutely everything according to many verses in the Quran?

184 9/71b: “The Believers, men and women, are protectors (Arab: wail*) of one another - - -.” Muslims. But contradictions:

9/116: “Except for Him (Allah*) ye have no protector (Arab: wali*) nor helper.”

32/4: “- - - ye have none, besides Him (Allah*) to protect or intercede (for you) - - -.”

42/28: “And He (Allah*) is the Protector (Arab: wali') - - -.“

(3 contradictions).

185 9/71c: "- - - just - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is meant in accordance with the book's own partly immoral moral code.

186 9/71f: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". No person preaching a lot of mistaken facts, contradictions, etc. ever was a messenger from an omniscient god.

187 9/71j: "- - - Allah is Exalted in power - - -". Often claimed, never proved. Boasting?

188 9/71k: "- - - Allah is - - - Wise". See 9/60c above.

Another fact: If Allah delivered the Quran and all its mistaken facts and other errors, all its internal and external contradictions, all its invalid logic, all its unclear points (f.x. the "different ways of reading"), etc. there is a good reason to laugh - and laugh loudly - from claims like this.

189 9/72a: “Allah hath promised to Believers – men and women – Gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein, and beautiful mansions in Gardens of everlasting bliss - - -”. A paradise like the life of the rich men in this world – plus more water. And of course plus the presumed, but never proved Allah.

Also remember that the big and fundamental differences between the Bible's Paradise and the one of the Quran, are one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

190 9/72c: "- - - Gardens under which rivers flow - - -" The most frequently used Arabism in the Quran. See 4/13d above. And also see 10/9f below.

Also remember that the big and fundamental differences between the Bible's Paradise and the one of the Quran, are one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

191 9/72e: "- - - the greatest bliss is the Good Pleasure of Allah - - -". Once more we are up against the fact that this cannot be true, unless Allah exists and is a god. There is no proof for any of those claims. Only proofs for that the Quran is not from any god.

###192 9/73b: “Strive (fight*) hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites - - -.” Straight words for your money.

193 9/73c: “Strive (fight*) hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites - - -”. There is nothing like this in the Bible. In OT there is fighting, but for the Jews' country, not for the religion, and NT hardly accepts armed conflicts at all. Yahweh and Allah the same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same religion? Guess 3 times

194 9/74b: "They (non-Muslims at the time of Muhammad*) swear that they said nothing (evil) - - -". Impossible for Allah to know eons before if man has free will. See f.x. 9/45c above.

195 9/74e: "- - - they (hypocrites*) uttered blasphemy (disbelief in Muhammad and the Quran*), and they did it after accepting Islam - - -". It is not possible to utter blasphemy by disbelieving in Allah or Muhammad, unless Allah really exists, and in addition is a god (not f.x. something from the dark forces - Muhammad would not have a chance to see the difference f.x. between a dressed up devil and the angel Gabriel).

196 9/74h: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". No omniscient god ever had a messenger preaching a lot of wrong facts, contradictions, etc., etc.

197 9/74l: "- - - Allah will punish them (some non-Muslims*) - - -". Only if he exists, has the power to do so and thinks there is a reason to revenge an act against one who clearly is not the representative of any god - not a god of any consequence at least.

198 9/74n: "- - - they (some non-Muslims*) shall have none on earth to protect or help them". Well, there always is the question about f.x. Yahweh - the old Jewish and Christian god - a god the Quran admits exists, even though it wrongly mixes him up with Allah. If Yahweh exists and is a god like described in the Quran (= the god borrowed from the Bible) and in the Bible, he is a powerful protector and helper.

199 9/75a: "Amongst them (some bad Muslims/hypocrites/non-Muslims*) are men who covenanted with Allah, that if He bestowed on them of His bounty - - -". They covenanted with the god that if he made them rich, they would be generous. Some covenant. Some god.

200 9/75b: "- - - a covenant with Allah - - -". Such a covenant demands that Allah exists, but it does not demand that he is a god, only that he is some sort of supernatural being - this even more so as the dark forces are unreliable and can promise anything without intending to keep it.

201 9/75c: "- - - a covenant with Allah - - -". Some Boers in South Africa once made a covenant with Yahweh: They promised to do so-and-so-and-so, and then Yahweh should do so-and-so. What they forgot about, was to make sure that Yahweh agreed to be part of the covenant. Is this the same kind of "covenant"? - there only are some words in the Quran indicating there may be a covenant, and the Quran has so many mistakes that it is too unreliable if there is no additional proof - especially as it is made by a man who even himself admitted he was unreliable, and a man who liked power and riches for more power - and women - and was not too squeamish about how to reach his goals.

202 9/75e: "- - - when He (Allah*) did bestow of his bounty - - -". According to this verse in the Quran, Allah kept his part of such a covenant. So definitely different from NT. Jesus talked about religion, not about making economical deals.

203 9/76c: "- - - He (Allah*) did bestow - - -". Allah? Or somebody/something else? Or their own initiative or work or thieving/robbing?

###204 9/77a: “- - - He (Allah*) hath put as a consequence hypocrisy into their hearts, (to last) till the Day (of Doom*)”. As you see also the hypocrites have no choice - they actually are made hypocrites by Allah, and he gives them no chance of changing their mind. But the good god all the same is going to punish them severely. Besides: Compare this with "the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8-13) in NT - Yahweh and Allah the same god? With as fundamental differences in the religion as this, only one answer is possible. Also see 2/7c above.

205 9/77c: "- - - they (hypocrites*) broke their covenant with Allah - - -". The Quran here tells they had promised Allah something - but that is not a covenant. A covenant is an agreement which all implicated parts say they agree on. Allah in this case had said nothing - Allah really NEVER proved even his existence by f.x. provably saying or doing anything at all. Thus they had made a promise, not a covenant. Also see 9/75c above.

206 9/78a: "Know they not that Allah doth know their secret (thoughts) and their secret counsels - - -". Here a warning - do not cheat, because Allah will know, but some places also a promise (true or not true is another question) - plus see 2/233h above.

207 9/78b: "Know they not that Allah doth know their secret (thoughts) and their secret counsels - - -". The answer simply is no. It is not possible to know something which is not proved - one can believe, even believe strongly, but it only is belief, not knowledge. (But remember that there exist at least three kinds of proofs in addition to the mathematical one; the circumstantial one, the inductive, and the empirical ones - when you give f.x. empirical proofs for that something is wrong with the Quran, Muslims normally demands mathematical proofs, and not all questions fit the frame for mathematical proofs - - - whereas they themselves never prove anything at all - they just use claims and demands for that you shall prove it wrong. Remember that even the circumstantial proof - likely the weakest group - often can be practically 100% sure. And if pore that one such proof prove the same, the opposite part needs a very strong proof to trump it - - - and Islam normally only has claims, and not any proof at all. In such cases demand proofs from them for that their claim(s) is/are right before even starting debating - it always is the duty of the one who put forth a claim, to prove his/her claim, not yours to disprove it - - - and besides they never will be able to give real proofs for anything central in Islam. (Remember here that a proof is "one or more proved facts which can only give one conclusion" - Muslims use not proved claims and/or information which can give more than one conclusion, but claiming that the conclusion they want, is the correct one. In none of these cases the proof is a valid one.

###208 9/80b: "- - - (their (some bad persons*) sin is unforgiveable) - - -". One more of the abysmally deep differences between especially the NT and its New Covenant and the Quran, and on one of the most fundamental points in the religions: As mentioned just above, in the NT no sin is unforgiveable if you really and honestly regret it. One more of the 110% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same gods, and for that Jesus and Muhammad did not belong to the same line of prophets (this even omitting the fact that Muhammad was no real prophet as he was unable to make prophesies).

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, which according to the Quran is something nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

209 9/80c: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 9/88b below.

####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more for him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.

210 9/80d: "- - - Allah guideth not (by the Quran*) - - -". There is not much reliable guidance in a guidebook full of mistakes, etc.

###211 9/81c: "Those who were left behind - - -" Not all wanted to go to war, and when there was a call to arms for the expedition to Tabuk in Oct. 630 AD, some of these did not go. No god could know this for sure long times before if man had free will - not even the expedition could be sure, as it was based on a rumor only. See 9/45c above. ###Also remember this when judging Muslims - very far from all are bad.

As for the last point: The fact that some Muslims are militants and the added facts about the use of dishonesty and deceiving (al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), the lawful use of deception and betrayal, the lawful disuse/breaking of words/promises/oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2), etc. - dishonest means even promoted to use for defending or promoting of Islam, and permitted in many other wide cases (f.x. to cheat women or save your money) - merit that you are a bit careful with a Muslim until you know him/her well, ##########remember that most of them have just the same wishes and dreams for life as everybody else; a reasonably good life, safety and peace, a good family and friends, etc. 

212 9/81h: This verse in short: The ones not willing to do battle, may end in hell. Do you want end there?

213 9/81j: "If only they (the ones not wanting to go to war*) could understand!" Perhaps that was just what some of the did - understood that something was and is seriously wrong with the Quran, f.x. with its moral code, and hence with Muhammad and with Islam.

214 9/84a: “Nor do thou ever pray for any of them (those that did not want to go to war*) that dies, nor stand at his grave, for they rejected Allah and (not least?*) His Messenger (Muhammad*), and died in a state of perverse rebellion.” It is perverse not to obey when Islam wants war. If not the carrot of stealing riches, taking slaves and raping women should attract the ones reluctant to go to war, then use the whip of heavy social pressure to force them. War is very essential for the Quran. And “is”, not only “was” - “is” for all future.

215 9/84aa: “Nor do thou ever pray for any of them (those that did not want to go to war*) that dies, nor stand at his grave, for they rejected Allah and (not least?*) His Messenger (Muhammad*), and died in a state of perverse rebellion.” Totally incompatible to the Bible and especially to NT. Yahweh and Allah the same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets (even if Muhammad had been a real prophet) or the same religion? There only is one possible answer.

216 9/84b: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad's standard, but never proved mantra to glue himself to his god - though he was never able to prove neither the existence of the claimed god, nor his own connection to one.

####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more to him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.

##217 9/85b: “Allah’s plan is to punish them (the ones not wanting to go to war*) with these things in this world, and that their souls may perish in their (very) denial of Allah”. Refusing war means:

Social contempt.

To most likely end in hell.

To deny Allah.

Is it possible to put more social and religious pressure on a man to make him go to war - willing or not? Anyone saying Islam is peaceful or "the Religion of Peace", either has not read the Quran, is repeating “correct” words but wrong meanings, or is a Muslim (who believes it or not believes it). In addition he or she must accept the claim that the Bible is falsified - a claim both science and Islam strongly have proved to be wrong, by being unable to find even one documented falsification in the existing some 44ooo relevant scriptures and fragments older than 610 AD. There are MANY claims from Muslims and from Islamic institutions (cfr. here the Islamic rules for the use of dishonesty to defend and/or promote Islam) but not one proved case. (An interesting extra point here is the fact that there exists not one copy or fragments from the Quran older than 610 AD when Muhammad started his mission. This in spite of that the Quran tells that all claimed prophets/messengers - 124ooo or more according to Hadiths - received a book similar to the Quran (copy of the claimed "Mother of the Book" = "Mother" of the Quran), books which naturally in addition would have been copied by hand, like all central books were in the old times, so that there should have existed at least a million complete or partly copies of these Quran-like books through the times. Far more copies than there ever existed of the Bible.

#####Not one single copy or even fragment older than 610 AD when Muhammad started his mission is ever found. Are the claims a bluff? Or may be an al-Taqiyya or something? - Muhammad as showed was not averse to lying in the Quran.

218 9/85c: "- - - their (non-Muslims'*) souls may perish in their (very) denial of Allah". Similar are often claimed, but never proved - and wrong unless Allah really exist and is correctly described in the Quran.

219 9/86a: “When a surah comes down (to Muhammad*), enjoining them to believe in Allah and strive and struggle (= make war*) with His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - - (some do not want to go to war - they prefer to stay with the women, not a nice reputation for an Arab in 631 AD, not to mention for a Bedouin warrior*)”. ###But after all not every Muslim liked – or likes – war. (Also this should be remembered.)

220 9/86c: “When a surah comes down (to Muhammad*), enjoining them to believe in Allah and strive and struggle (= make war*) with His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Nearly as far as possible away from the NT as it is possible to come. The same god? The same line of prophets? The same religion? Possible to believe if you are naive or want to believe so.

221 9/86d: "- - - His (Allah's*) Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -." Can a man preaching so many mistakes, contradictions, etc. really be the messenger of a god - even a benevolent one? Besides see 9/88b below.

222 9/87b: "- - - their (doubters'*) heart is sealed - - -". But how can Allah judge them when he himself has "sealed their hearts" (= made it impossible for them to understand)?

223 9/88a: “But the Messenger (Muhammad*), and all those who believe with him, strive and struggle with their wealth and their persons (= wage war*): for them are (all) good things (like spoils of war, slaves, women to rape, etc.*): and it is they who will prosper”.

To say the least of it: Incitement to wage war for Muhammad/Islam. But NB: This claim was never proved - it just is words. Except that many grew rich from stealing, extortion, slave taking, etc. in this world.

224 9/88aa: “But the Messenger (Muhammad*), and all those who believe with him, strive and struggle with their wealth and their persons (= wage war*): for them are (all) good things (like spoils of war, slaves, women to rape, etc.*): and it is they who will prosper”. Of course stealing, etc. is a basis for prosperity. But it is incompatible with the Bible, and especially with NT - and with normal moral codes. One more of the proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god and for that Jesus and Muhammad very far from are in the same line of prophets or the same religion - even if Muhammad had been a real prophet.

225 9/89a: “Allah hath prepared for them (his warriors/terrorists) Gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein: that is the supreme felicity”.

Once more - to say the least of it: Incitement to wage war for Muhammad - and for Allah if he exists. On the other hand: How will "life" in such a boring paradise be in the long run - no mental activity at all?

Of course points like this also influence the moral code of Islam.

226 9/89b: "- - - Gardens under which rivers flow - - -". The most frequently used Arabism in the Quran. See 4/13d above.

227 9/90d: "- - - the Messenger (Muhammad*) of Allah - - -". No omniscient god ever had a messenger preaching a lot of wrong facts, contradictions, etc., etc. Also see 9/88b above.

228 9/91b: "- - - Allah and his Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad's standard, but never proved mantra to glue himself to his god and his platform of power; Self-centered. Selfish?

230 9/91i: Verse 9/91 in short says that only those with heavy reasons for staying at home when Allah - Muhammad - wants a raid or a war, were to be excused for not joining the raid or war party.

This means it is different - and contradicting - in the extreme from the Bible, and especially from NT and the New Covenant. It simply is incompatible with especially the NT. One more heavy and 100+% proof for that Yahweh and Allah were not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion or line of prophets. (On the last point: Is it possible to find two characters who morally, ethically and in teaching were more different and further apart than Jesus and Muhammad? - the messenger of love versus the messenger/warlord of hate, crime, suppression and war. Besides one was a prophet or more according to both the Bible and the Quran, whereas the other even himself admitted he did not have the ability of making prophesies ("know the unseen" (7/188) or "know what is hidden" (6/50)).

"The Religion of Peace"?

231 9/92b: Like verse 9/91 above this verse is different - and contradicting - in the extreme (incompatible with) from the Bible, and especially from NT and the New Covenant. One more heavy and 100+% proof for that Yahweh and Allah were not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same line of prophets. (On the last point: Is it possible to find two characters who morally, ethically and in teaching were more different and further apart than Jesus and Muhammad? - the messenger of love versus the messenger/warlord of hate, crime, suppression and war. Besides one was a prophet or more according to both the Bible and the Quran, whereas the other even himself admitted he did not have the ability of making prophesies ("know the unseen" (7/188) or "know what is hidden" (6/50)).

"The Religion of Peace"?

232 9/93a: “The ground (of complaint (for not wanting war*)) is against such as claim an exemption while they are rich - - -”. If you can afford to go to war - or if someone, included the leaders (see 9/92) can help you - then it is a valid reason for complaint and contempt against you if you do not want to go to war.

A stark contrast to NT: “Thou shallt not Kill”. Yahweh and Allah the same god? - an unnecessary question, as the answer is obvious.

##233 9/93b: "They (the ones not wanting to go to war, but without a "good" reason*) prefer to stay with the (women) - - -". An expression of contempt in many cultures and - as far as we have been able to find out - in all war cultures. (Unnecessary to say: Islam was/is one of the more extreme war cultures, as the war part of it is religiously motivated and very strong and central in the religion.)

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####234 9/93d: "- - - they (the ones not wanting to go to war*) know not (what they miss)". Comment YA1345: "It is not only a duty, but a precious privilege, to serve a great Cause (Islam*) by personal self-sacrifice (to make war for it*). Those who shirk such an opportunity know not what they miss". This is the point of view of modern Muslim scholars - as mentioned before the comments are recent ones. "The Religion of Peace"? No further comments - and none necessary.

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235 9/94b: "Allah hat already informed us (Muhammad*) of the true state of matters concerning you (who do not want to go to war*) - - -". A nice claim. But never proved.

236 9/94i: "- - - in the end (at the Day of Doom*) ye (people*) will be brought back to Him (Allah*) - - -". Often claimed, never documented. Muhammad never was able to prove anything essential concerning his religion - everything just is undocumented words (and from a man with a special point of view concerning truth and dishonesty).

237 9/94l: "- - - Him (Allah*) who knoweth what is hidden and what is open - - -". Often claimed, never proved. Actually it is proved wrong, as many things which even then were open (f.x. texts from the Bible) are wrong in the Quran, and not to forget many things which by then were hidden knowledge (and which could later have proved Allah if Muhammad had given correct information), and which later have been found out by man, also are wrong in the Quran.

238 9/94m: "- - - then will He (Allah*) show you the truth of all that ye did". Do not cheat Muhammad! - Allah sees everything and will punish you. Also see 2/233h above.

239 9/95a: "They (the ones not wanting to go to war*) will swear to you (Muhammad*) by Allah, when ye return to them, that ye may leave them alone. So leave them alone: for they are an abomination, and Hell is their dwelling-place - a fitting recompense for the (evil) they did". They did the evil of wanting to be excused from going to war, and consequently were an abomination and only deserved Hell. The 180 degree opposite of NT - and adding that in OT the wars were motivated by establishing and defending a national country, whereas in the Quran the wars, etc. are religiously motivated ("holy wars" - every armed incident Muhammad had, he claimed was holy war or holy battle) - also OT.

100% and more proof for that Yahweh and Allah were not the same god and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion.

#240 9/95c: “So leave them (the ones not wanting to wage war*): for they are an abomination, and Hell is their dwelling-place - a fitting recompense for the (evil) they did”. Not to hate and kill and steal and rob and rape and enslave and murder is an abomination and evil, which ends you in Hell. Your not wanting to go to war will make the raise of power for Muhammad and Islam go slower.

To wage war is the absolute duty for any fit Muslim who can afford it. No misunderstanding possible.

Brave future world.

Do you still believe that Allah is the same god as the Yahweh in NT?

But it is a weighty incitement to naive, uneducated primitives.

#141 9/95ca: “So leave them (the ones not wanting to wage war*): for they are an abomination, and Hell is their dwelling-place - a fitting recompense for the (evil) they did”. Incompatible to the Bible to say the least of it, and especially to NT. But words impossible to misunderstand. Anybody believing that the Quran has to be disused to find incitements to war and hate and blood and murder?

"The Religion of Peace"?

242 9/95e: "- - - Hell is their (not good Muslims not wanting to go to war*) dwelling-place - - -". Clear words for your money: If you are fit and can afford it: Go to war or go to Hell. Did anybody whisper the words "the Religion of Peace"?

##243 9/96: “- - - Allah is not pleased with those who disobey (and refuse to go on raids or to war*)”. The good, kind, wise god - leading a "Religion of Peace"?. The question is especially relevant as most of Muhammad's raids were for riches, captives, slaves, and extortion. And another fact: Here on Earth the sentence simply meant and means that Allah is not pleased with those who did/do not obey Muhammad and his successors.

244 9/97a: "The Arabs of the desert (at the time of Muhammad*) - - -". This is quite a time anomaly. One thing is the "normal" anomaly - see 4/13d above. Another is that some millennia ago there existed no "Arabs of the desert". They drifted into the desert from different places and became the mixture later called "Arabs" only after the domestication of the camel made life in the desert possible. Before that no reader of a copy of the claimed "Mother Book" - similar to the Quran - would understand one whistle of what the book was talking about when talking about desert Arabs. (The Arab camel - dromedary - was not domesticated until sometime between 35oo and 2ooo BC and then in the south (Oman?), and its use did not spread further north until much, much later according to science).

It also took a long time from the camel (dromedary) was domesticated till it became an animal much used for riding:

Here we include a small, but essential piece of information - essential f.x. for some of the claims regarding Abraham, and even more the claims concerning the claims about Abraham, Mecca, and the Kabah mosque. The dromedary was domesticated sometime between around 2ooo BC and 3500 BC - the exact time is not known (the very first proved case of domesticated dromedary/camel in the Middle East is from Qasr Ibrim in Lower Nubia (east Africa) around 740 BC) - and likely in the coastal area of South Arabia, perhaps in what is now Oman. Abraham according to science lived - if he was a real person - around 2ooo-1800 BC (and far from South Arabia). But today - 27. Dec. 2012 - we discovered a small fact we have not been aware of - small, but essential and revealing in this case: THE DROMEARY - THE ARAB CAMEL - DID NOT COME INTO WIDE USE UNTIL AROUND 1OOO-900 BC (around the time of King Solomon)! They further were not used in the north until the Assyrians started trade with south Arabia around 800-700 BC. And f.x. the first time camels are known to be used in battle, was Cyrus the Great who used camels against Croesus of Lydia in 547 BC, AND THEN TRANSPORT DROMEDARIES, NOT RIDING ONES WERE USED. (Horses not used to camels were frightened by them, and this made problems for the cavalry of Croesus.) This means that as late as in 547 BC - some 1300 years after Abraham - riding camels were not widely enough used to be a factor in daily life (if they had been, riding dromedaries had been used instead by Cyrus, and the horses of Croesus had been used to them). Camels are mentioned in the Books of Moses, too, but this is reckoned by science to be one of the proofs for that those books are written long after Moses.

This means that Abraham did not have camels, and definitely not riding camels. Which makes his claimed trip with his animals from Canaan to the lonesome, waterless and empty desert valley where Mecca later grew up, physically impossible, his claimed building of the big Kabah hundreds of miles and more in kilometers (roughly 750 miles/1200 km) from home, even more meaningless as he could not go back and forth between his home and his temple, and his claimed visits there later nearly as hopeless a Muslim claim as his first claimed trip.

THIS MEANS HE NEVER LEFT HAGAR AND ISHMAEL IN THAT VALLEY, THAT HE NEVER BUILT THE KABAH, AND THAT HE NEVER VISITED THE PLACE LATER,TOO. We have said the same before, but without the camel/dromedary Muhammad's claims about Abraham going to that dry desert valley to leave Hagar and Ishmael, and later to build the Kabah, and then to visit the place now and then, move from extremely improbable to physically impossible.

Added 5. Apr. 2013 AD: Quoted from the Scandinavian newspaper Aftenposten published today, where professor emeritus (in physics) Redvald Skullerud says: "(It is claimed that Abraham*) used camels for transport some 1200 years before the camel was introduced as a transport animal in the area when the Assyrians started trade with South Arabia". As you see it is an accepted scientific fact that even though the dromedary was domesticated and somewhat used in South Arabia, it was not introduced further north until a long time - 1ooo+ years - after Abraham, and then as a transport animal. To use it as a riding animal came even later. And without the camel, it would be impossible for Abraham to go back and forth between Canaan and the dry desert valley where Mecca later came - crossing rough and forbidding big deserts. Abraham's claimed connection to Mecca is an impossibility. And this even more so if it is correct that the Kabah was built around 2130 BC like Islam tends to claim, compared to that science tells that if Abraham ever lived, he lived around 2ooo-1800 BC. If Abraham had no camels around 1900 BC, he definitely did not have any around 2130 BC.

245 9/97d: "- - - Allah and his Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad's standard, but never proved mantra to glue himself to his god and his platform of power; Self-centered. Selfish?

####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more for him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.

246 9/97h: "- - - Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise". Two examples of the many never proved claims in the Quran. Read using your brain and your knowledge, not only your eyes, and you will find a lot of them. And actually: He is not if he made the Quran.

If Allah made the Quran and all its errors, etc., you may laugh heartily from claims like this.

247 9/97-104: "The Arabs of the desert are among the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy - - -". In the beginning Muhammad had great problems winning the nomads and semi-nomads in the desert for his religion. One possible reason was the freedom they were used to - to accept Muhammad as a supreme leader and to accept Islam's on many points strict regime - and its tax - took some coercion. But the combination of a clear message: Become Muslims or fight us and be killed - in spite of Islam's nice claims about the opposite - and the possibility to make money from stealing, robbing, extortion, and enslaving did the job. Much of Arabia became Muslim at the point of the sword - combined with some honest new believers, a number won over by Muhammad by means of rich "gifts", and a lot of men among the desert Arabs who wanted to become - and became - rich from looting; well, in some years this combination worked and most Arabs became more or less honestly believing Muslims.

248 9/99a: "- - - some of the desert Arabs (nomads*) believe in Allah and the Last Day, and look on their payments (tax/zakat*) as pious gifts bringing them nearer to Allah - - -. Aye, and indeed they (and perhaps Muhammad's prayers*) bring them nearer (to Him (Allah*))". No comments except: A nice reward - - - if Allah exists and is a god (quite a surprise to some Muslims if he turns out to be someone from the dark forces who sometimes dressed up like the angel Gabriel to meet Muhammad - a possibility which the f.x. immoral parts of the Quran's moral code may point to).

249 9/99h: "- - - soon will Allah admit them (good Muslims*) to his Mercy (paradise*)". Often claimed, never proved. And as for Allah's mercy, see 1/1a above.

250 9/100a: Rather similar to 9/72 above – Muhammad did not have an inventive fantasy, only the smart kind.

251 9/100d: "- - - for them (good Muslims*) hath He (Allah*) prepared Gardens under which rivers flow (= Paradise*) - - -". Claimed MANY times, never documented. Not true unless Allah exists and is a powerful god - and not unless the Quran in addition has told the full truth and only the truth about this.

252 9/100-101: Can these verses at all have been written billions of years ago and be copy of a "mother book" from before ages - may be always existed - and revered by a god and his angels in Heaven? Not unless the predestination is 100%, and even then it is not worthy of reverences from angels, not to mention from an omniscient god. (If you go looking, you will find a number of such doubtful points in the Quran).

253 9/103a: "- - - pray (Muhammad*) on their (the good desert Arabs*) behalf - - -". To what avail if Allah predestines everything according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change anyhow? - one of the Quran's and Islam's most central and unsolvable mysteries and contradiction - and one which unlike the impossibility of combining Allah's complete predestination with even a small piece of free will for man, is never mentioned by Muslims. (Total predestination after all is mentions sometimes by Islam, though their scholars (not the lay people who believe in the mumbo-jumbo they are told explains it) admit it is impossible to understand how it can be combined.)

254 9/104a: "Know they (people*) not that Allah doth accept repentance - - -". But what is the idea if Allah already has predestined everything according to his unchangeable Plan? If the Plan and the predestinations are unchangeable and made eons before like the Quran states, also repentance cannot have any effect. See 9/103a above.

255 9/105e: "- - - soon (at the Day of Doom*) will ye (people*) be brought back to (Allah*)". Often claimed, never proved - and one of those many claims any believer in any religion can make on behalf of his god(s) as long as he/she can evade any questions for proofs - words are that cheap.

256 9/105g: "- - - the Knower (Allah*) of what is hidden and what is open - - -". If he exists, and if he in addition is a god - or perhaps something from the dark forces, which also may have supernatural vision. Besides it in no case is true if he is behind the Quran and all its mistakes.

And: If he really knew anything, why then did he have to test even his followers? - he could learn nothing from it? (But if it was Muhammad who wanted warriors in 631 AD, thing are suddenly easier to understand.)

257 9/106b: "- - - Allah is All-Knowing, Wise". Not if he made the Quran - too much is wrong. Also see 2/233h.

Another fact: If Allah delivered the Quran and all its mistaken facts and other errors, all its internal and external contradictions, all its invalid logic, etc. there is a good reason to laugh - and laugh loudly - from claims like this.

258 9/107a: "And there are those who put up a mosque by way of mischief and infidelity - - -". In 631 AD some opponents led by one Abu Amir from the tribe Bani Ghanam made a competing mosque in Dhu Awan. Muhammad had it destroyed shortly after - no competition, thank you. And "let there be no compulsion in religion".

259 9/107f: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad's standard, but never proved mantra to glue Muhammad to his god and his platform of power; Self-centered. Selfish?

####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more for him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.

260 9/107g: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". No omniscient god ever had a messenger preaching a lot of wrong facts, contradictions, etc., etc.

261 9/107j: "- - - But Allah doth declare that they (the ones making a competing mosque in Medina*) are certainly liars". At least according to their opponent Muhammad.

262 9/109a: “Which then is best? - he (Muslim*) that layeth his foundation on piety to Allah - - - or he (non-Muslim*) that layeth his foundation on an undermined sand-cliff ready to crumble to pieces?” If there existed a small proof for Allah’s existence, there was no doubt about the answer. As it is, both may be equal. Well, if some builds on the Bible, there is a possibility that he/she is best off.

263 9/109c: "And Allah guideth not - - -". He cannot guide by means of a guidebook - the Quran - which is full of mistakes + a partly immoral moral code.

264 9/109d: "And Allah guideth not people that do wrong". What consequence does this have for Muslims, as the Quran partly advices deeds obviously wrong and immoral compared to normal moral codes? - (f.x. punish a raped woman if she has no 4 male witnesses. And also steal/rob, rape, suppress, kill, etc.)

265 9/110a: "The foundation of those who so build (not quite in accordance with Muhammad and not accepting his total power*) is never free from suspicion and shakiness in their hearts - - -". Cheap claims similar to this you find in most religious sects talking about their competitors - it is a most standard one. Ok psychology if the audience is not too intelligent or has little education - or wishes strongly to believe it.

266 9/110b: "And Allah is All-Knowing, Wise". See 27233e and 9/60 above.

Another fact: If Allah delivered the Quran and all its mistaken facts and other errors, all its internal and external contradictions, all its invalid logic, etc. there is a good reason to laugh - and laugh loudly - from claims like this.

267 9/111d: “- - - they (warriors/terrorists*) fight in His (Allah’s (or Muhammad’s?*)) cause, and slay and are slain: (and get a great reward in Paradise*)”. Can anyone really read the Quran - even a Muslim - and afterwards believe the Quran represents a good, peaceful, benevolent god? One is reminded of the blood orgies of the Mayas and Incas, except that Islam mostly kills on the spot - like the Assyrians. And "the Religion of Peace"?? - it is up to you if you will laugh or weep from that slogan. And "the Religion of Truth"? - May be there are reasons why they seldom claim Islam is "the Religion of Honesty"?

##268 9/111f: “- - - they fight in His (Allah’s*) cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran - - -”. As for the Gospels: This is not even is wrong - it is nonsense, and can only be made up by someone not knowing the Gospels - - - or is lying. There is nothing like this in the Gospels - this even if Islam pretends the text refers to a Gospel that has disappeared (there are references to the word “sword“, but not as part of war or incitement to war - not to mention the pacifistic picture the total NT give). There is a theoretical possibility for that there existed an older Gospel, but this fairy tale or nightmare is not taken from that one either. Because if it ever existed, we know the contents of it, as three of the present Gospels in case used that one as their main source (the other possibility is that two of those Gospels used the oldest one as their source - in that case there is no reason to believe there ever was older Gospel, but it is to be hoped there was, because that gives an even older written source for the Bible - and makes it even more reliable according to all rules for study of history and for such science. By the way: No serious student or professor of history use the Quran as a source for happenings older than 610 AD - which tells volumes about how they evaluate the reliability of this book presumably sent down by an omniscient god).

But the real reason why it is not the slightest doubt that this is made up, is that the sentence so totally and 180 degrees oppose the very teachings of the NT - and the entire NT. Incompatible. Yahweh and Allah the same god? No answer necessary.

269 9/111j: "- - - who is more faithful to His Covenant than Allah?". Many if Allah does not exist or if he is not correctly described in the Quran. Not to mention if he is part of the dark forces, which the dark parts of the Quran may indicate.

270 9/112a: "Those who turn (to Allah); that serve Him, and praise Him, that wander in devotion to the Cause of Allah; that bow down and prostrate themselves in prayer; that enjoins good and forbid evil, and observe the limit set by Allah - (these do rejoice)". Only if Allah exists and is a god (not f.x. something from the dark forces like parts of the Quran may indicate - or not simply is a fiction from one or more human brains, sick or not sick).

271 9/112c: "- - - enjoin good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

###272 9/113d: "It is not fitting, for the Prophet and those who believe, that they should pray forgiveness for Pagans, even though they be of kin - - -". This cynical sentence tells a few megabytes about the Quran, about Muhammad, and about Islam - not to mention about the Quran's and Islam's moral code. And even if this was the only difference between the Bible and the Quran, this alone had been a 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion.

273 9/114f: "- - - for Abraham was most tenderhearted, forbearing". A man who uses his wife as a bite for riches and lets her be taken away by men obviously intending her for their harems (1. Mos. 12/13-19 and 20/1-3), a man who sends away his son and the son's mother to survive as best they could in a foreign land, a man who is willing to kill his own and only remaining son, and his only son by then in wedlock (1. Mos. 22/2-12) (He got 6 more later - 1. Mos. 25/1-2 - but these disappeared from the story) - well, such a man is not most tenderhearted. To quote a wise man: "That something is said or written does not necessarily mean that it is true", and another: "Deeds and demands are by far more reliable than nice words" - facts we should have mentioned more often when talking about the Quran.

274 9/115b: "And Allah will not mislead a people after He hath guided them - - -". Is it possible to lead or guide anyone religiously by means of a book full of mistakes and contradictions and with no god behind it?

275 9/115c: "- - - in order that He (Allah*) may make clear - - -". Allah is claimed to speak through the Quran - and a book with that many mistakes, contradictions, etc., makes very little clear.

BUT WHAT IS CLEAR, IS THAT THIS IS YET ANOTHER POINT INDICATING THAT THE QURAN MEANS IT MAKES THINGS CLEAR - USES A CLEAR LANGUAGE. WHICH MEANS THAT ISLAM AND MUSLIMS ARE WRONG WHEN THEY CLAIM THAT ERRORS, ETC. IN THE QURAN ARE NOT ERRORS, BUT ALLEGORIES, ETC., WHICH THEY CAN EXPLAIN BETTER THAN THE QURAN - BUT WHO EXPLAINS BETTER AND MORE CORRECT THAN AN OMNISCIENT GOD?

276 9/116b: "Unto Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth". Only possible if he exists and is a major god, neither of which was ever proved.

277 9/116e: "He (Allah*) giveth life and he taketh it". That Allah - actually his followers - does take lives is an all too well-known fact. But the claim that he also gives life is interesting, because this never is proved - claimed often, but never proved (whereas if the Bible or the Quran tells the truth on this point, Yahweh really has proved his power over also the death and thus to give life). Also see 7/158i above and 21/56c below.

378 9/117a: "Allah turned with favor to - - -". In all history there is not one proved case of Allah showing any favor to anybody - not even to Muhammad (f.x. many a leader has built his power from scratch - some by means of religion, some by other platforms of power).

279 9/118a: "- - - the three who were left behind - - -". This refers to 3 men (Ka'b ibn Malik, Mararah ibn at-Rabi, Hilal ibn Umayah) who did not want to take part in the big expedition towards Tabuk (it came to nothing), and who chose to be honest about it. They had to live through serious psychological terror and punishment when Muhammad returned. They were uneducated and naive and did not understand what was done to them, but any somewhat educated person today recognizes the cruel method Muhammad used for punishment, for preventing similar things to happen in the future, and for giving people other things to talk about than no loot from the unsuccessful war expedition. You find the story in Hadiths - f.x. Al-Bukhari.

280 9/118c: "- - - the three who were left behind - - -". The story of these three (see 9/118a above) who did not go to war, and not least Muhammad's reaction to them, proves 100+% that Muhammad did not belong in the same line of prophets as Jesus - their fundamentals were too different by far - and also that Islam is very far from the teachings of Jesus.

281 9/118d: "- - - they (the 3 mentioned in 9/118a above*) perceived that there is no fleeing (from Allah) - - -". Well, at least they were unable to flee from Muhammad and his power.

282 9/119c: "- - - true (in word and deed) - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. In this case also see 2/2b above.

283 9/120a: “It was not fitting for the people of Medina and the Bedouin Arabs of the neighborhood, to refuse to follow Allah’s Messenger (to wage war - it refers to the expedition to Tabuk*) - - - “. But it is fitting for Islam to steal and rob and rape and kill end enslave and suppress.

And it was “fitting” to make Muhammad a powerful warlord.

Have you ever heard words like "self-centered" or "selfishness"?

What then about “let there be no compulsion in religion”? - or about religious wars? - not to mention what about honesty and "do unto others like you want others do unto you"? - the basic law behind all real inter human morality. Not to mention: Can Jesus and Muhammad be in the same line of prophets - (they in case have to preach approximately the same truths, the same basic ideas and the same moral code). No answer necessary - and the same goes for "is Yahweh the same god as Allah"?

284 9/120d: “It was not fitting for (them - see 9/120a just above*) to refuse to follow Allah’s Messenger, nor to prefer their own lives to his - - -”. Muhammad in total selfishness demanded blood and lives. According to the Bible Jesus gave his life. The same line of prophets? Yahweh and Allah the same god? No-one with real knowledge is able to believe that - except some Muslims (religiously blind = one who believes not because of proofs, but in spite of proofs + because of "taqlid").

285 9/120e: “It was not fitting for (them - see 9/120a just above*) to refuse to follow Allah’s Messenger, nor to prefer their own lives to his - - -”. Incitement to war. What does just this tell about Islam? What it does tell about Muhammad and Islam is that the Quran is - not a fairy tale, but a demon tale?

And: Make Muhammad a powerful warlord! Hitler said similar things (actually some intellectuals - f.x. C. G. Young - compared Nazism to Islam before WW2.)

And: If Allah does not exist, it all was done only for Muhammad.

286 9/120f: “It was not fitting for (them - see 9/120a just above*) to refuse to follow Allah’s Messenger, nor to prefer their own lives to his - - -”. In addition to - and above - all other facts this sentence divulges, shines the inhumanity and selfishness in Muhammad's demands.

And: If Allah does not exist, it all was done only for Muhammad.

287 9/120g: “- - - (not*) to refuse to follow (in war) Allah’s Messenger (Muhammad*), nor to prefer their lives to his: because nothing could they suffer or do, but was reckoned to their credit as a deed of righteousness - - - in the cause of Allah - - -”. A testimony of religious blindness and darkness worthy any of the most bloody pagan religions - or modern sects praying to the Devil for a god. Or the darkest sides of Nazism or communism.

And: If Allah does not exist, it all was done only for Muhammad.

288 #######9/120ga: "- - - nor to prefer their own lives to his (Muhammad's*) - - - ". This sentence tells so much about Muhammad, that we do not comment on it.

289 9/120h: "- - - nothing could they suffer or do, but was reckoned to their credit as a deed of righteousness - - - in the cause of Allah - - -”. This only - only - can be true if Allah exists and if everything in addition in addition is correctly told in the Quran - a book choke full of mistakes, contradictions, etc. But a very good argument for a warlord and robber baron.

If Allah does not exist, it all was done only for Muhammad.

290 9/120j: "- - - the Cause of Allah - - -". We just remind you that a cause of Allah does not exist unless Allah exists. If he does not, it was the cause mot of Allah but of Muhammad.

291 9/120k: "- - - trod paths to raise the ire of the Unbelievers - - -". One more clear indication for that the Bible and the Quran, Jesus and Muhammad are too far apart to be from the same god or the religion or line of prophets - this sentence is the very opposite of Jesus' teachings of love.

292 9/120m: “- - - (suffered*) in the Cause of Allah, or trod paths to raise the ire (not in self defense#!!!) of the Unbelievers, or received any injury whatever from an enemy. For Allah suffered not the reward to be lost to those who do good - “. To wage war, with all the destruction and suffering that means, is to do good things in the eyes of Allah and Islam/the Quran. And those of Muhammad.

Make your own comments. Think your own thoughts.

Allah = Yahweh? Only if the god is schizophrenic.

293 9/120n: "- - - for Allah suffereth not for the reward to be lost for those who do good - - -". If he exists. If he is a major god. And if the Quran describes him correctly.<7p>

294 9/121a: "Nor could they (Muslims*) spend anything (for the Cause (of Allah/Muhammad*)) - small or great - nor cut across a valley, but the deed is inscribed to their credit - - -". Words are easy when one neither has to pay them or prove them. And when you read the Quran you may notice that everything is built on never proved claims and promises only.

295 9/121b: "- - - Allah may requite their (warriors') deeds with the best (possible reward)." A nice reward if Islam is a true religion. A very cheap way for Muhammad to attract and pay warriors if the religion is a made up one. And here it is very thought provoking that the Quran is not from a god - no god makes that many mistakes, not to mention reveres them in a "mother book" in his heaven. (And no benevolent god has a moral code and war code like in the Quran).

296 9/122a: "- - - go forth (in Battle*) together - - -". Try to find anything similar to this in NT!

297 9/122c: "- - - studies in religion - - -". This is typical for Islam: What counts of knowledge is the religion and things that can strengthen the religion - f.x. astronomy (necessary to place the religious days in the Islamic drifting year) etc. The Muslim area - not Islam, but the Muslim area - had a period from ca. 820 AD till 1095 AD (ca. 1198 in Muslim Spain) when science flourished, but it mostly was in spite of Islam, not because of. Islam split sciences in two: Islamic sciences - the Quran + sciences with relevance to the religion or to the study of the Quran. All other sciences - unbelievably also medicine - were "foreign sciences" and were fought against. Islam won the final battle in that war with a book against philosophy in 1095 AD "The Incoherence of the Philosophers" - by "the greatest Muslim after Muhammad", al-Ghazali - though in Muslim Spain the end did not come until ca. 1198 AD. After that there did not come on single new thought or idea which could benefit humanity from the entire Islamic area until far into the 20th century. Literally speaking not a single one. You meet Muslims boasting about Islam's golden time of science. It is mainly untrue, as mostly it was against Islam's will and at times very strong opposition, not because of the religion. Even today a demand is - we quote from (A9/163) (translated from Swedish):"The duty for the believer is to 'make his knowledge deeper in the religion'".

#298 9/123b: “Fight the Unbelievers who gird you about - - -". A clear order. Try to find anything similar in NT - or for that case in OT. F.x. "Turn the other cheek" does not fit very well here. One of the proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion or line of prophets (in addition to that Muhammad was no real prophet - he was unable to make prophesies or "see the unseen").

#299 9/123c: “Fight the Unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know Allah is with those who fear Him (= the Muslims*)”. If "I" do not like what you do - or if "I" use a little conspiracy theories, like Muslims and especially the ones in the Middle East often do, and think you are up to bad things, you surely are girding "me" about, and it is "my" right according to the Holy Quran to kill you.

300 9/123d: "- - - know that Allah is with those who fear him". If he exists. If he is a god. And if the Quran has described him correctly.

301 9/124b: "Yea, those who believe - their belief is increased and they rejoice". This may well be true, as believers - in any religion - often do need more real knowledge to find out what is true or not, but only accepts claim they like and which strengthen them in their belief - this is one of the differences between belief and knowledge, and between religion and science. A believer can be selective in what to believe, and he can believe without documentation - yes, against proofs - whereas a scientist has to find out what is the truth before he can call something knowledge.

But what is the value of rejoicing, if the reason for rejoicing is a made up religion? - something which may well be the case ####if they do not check what is really true and what not. Not to mention: What is the value of rejoicing in a religion if their religion is a made up one - and Islam at least is from no god, as the Quran is far too full of mistakes, contradictions, etc. to come from a god - and even more so if there somewhere exists a real religion, which they are prevented from searching. (If Allah in reality is from the dark forces, this is an excellent outcome for him.)

302 9/125a: "But those in whose hearts are disease - - -". The ones not believing in Muhammad - or not believing strongly enough - were/are sick. You bet Muslims are better!

303 9/125c: "- - - it (new surahs*) will add doubt to their (non-Muslims'*) doubt - - -". The underlying meaning here is that this shows the stupidity of the non-Muslims. But the irony is that with so much wrong in each and every surah, there are good and logical reasons both for doubt and for increased doubt.

304 9/125d: "- - - and they (non-Muslims*) will die in a state of Unbelief". If the Quran is a made up book - and with all those mistakes, contradictions, etc. it at least is from no god - there is no reason for not dying disbelieving it. This is even more the case if it is from dark forces, like the partly immoral moral code, the partly unjust sharia laws, and its favoring dishonesty (al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), deceit/betrayal and even breaking of words/promises/oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2), suppression, brutality and blood may indicate. And if on top there somewhere should exist a true religion you are prohibited to look at, the irony - not to say farce or Greek tragedy - is complete.

305 9/126a: "See they (non-Muslims*) not that they are tried every year - - -." But why does an omniscient god have to try people, if he knows everything on beforehand? - he can learn exactly nothing from it. And what value has a trial if Allah has already decided what is going to happen? - Allah decides everything according to the Quran. The only case where all this makes sense and logic, is if it in reality was Muhammad who had to find "explanations" for why raids for riches and power and wars for power were necessary.

306 9/126b: "See they (Muslims*) not that they are tried every year once or twice?" In reality more often - at least the Muslims. The war period under Muhammad was from some time after he arrived in Medina in 622 AD, till he died in 632 AD. During that time it is said there were 82 armed "incidents" ( http://www.1000mistakes.com names 63 of them) - by far most of them were raids for stealing valuables and taking prisoners for slaves or extortion. Split over some 10 years that means 6 - 8 "armed incidents" a year - every second month or a bit more - and practically always the aggression were from Islam - not untypical for this religion. If you took part in all of them (which hardly anyone did) that meant you were tested not once or twice a year, but 6 - 8 times a year. And if you survived - which most of them did - they became rich. or at least richer than before. (If they survived and were not crippled.)

But we have never in all our reading - old or new Islamic literature - or debating, seen or heard one single sentence or thought about what terror, catastrophe, or destruction this meant to all its victims - only the heroism of the destructors. Even today Islam is too primitive to see anything but the glory of "our" victories.

We do hope none of the Muslims in our neighborhood thinks like that. The problem is that many Muslim terrorists also were thought to be good persons before they started terrorism - it is not possible to know who the few are. How do you see the difference between a human and an inhuman Muslim? Like the ones who filmed victims they burned alive or beheaded or in other ways murdered.

307 9/126c: "Yet they (non-Muslims*) turn not in repentance, and they take no heed". It is difficult to do this concerning a religion you believe or know is a false one. We may add that Islam is one of the religions where one may know and not only believe that something is seriously wrong. This because it is claimed to come from a god, and no god makes that amount of mistakes, contradiction, etc. which it is easy to find in the Quran - the only ones not seeing it, are the ones who refuse to see what is in front of their eyes.

308 9/127b: "- - - Allah hath turned their (non-Muslims'*) hearts (from the light) - - -". How much religious light is there in a book so full of errors and worse, that it is not from any god?

309 9/127d: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) are a people who understand not". Psychologically a good "explanation" for Muhammad to give his followers for why many did not believe in his new religion. Strong believers readily swallow claims like this. But may be the real reason was that they understood

310 9/129a: "Allah sufficeth me (a Muslim*) - - -". This only can - can - be true if he exists.

311 9/129b: "- - - there is no god but He (Allah*) - - -". See 6/106b above.

312 9/129c: "- - - on Him (Allah*) is my (a Muslim’s*) trust - - -". Advisable only if Allah exists and in addition is a god (not f.x. something from the dark forces).

313 9/129d: "- - - He (Allah*) the Lord of the Throne (of Glory) Supreme!" Yes - if the Quran is not a made up book, and if it speaks the truth. And if Allah exists and is a god - nothing of which is proved.

2198 + 313 = 2511 remarks.

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Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".


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This work was upload with assistance of M. A. Khan, editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery".