1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 4
18 May 2014
SURAH 4: An-Nisa (The Women)
(Medina 626 AD)
001 "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, rape, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free, captives and slaves - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands, rules, moral code, and deeds, etc., we personally believe in the demands and deeds, etc.. Glorious words are cheap, reality is more reliable. Glorifying words are words, demands and deeds, etc. are reality. Glorifying words and claims anyone can use and disuse. When you read, read what was demanded, advised and done, and distrust the glorious words - judge from realities, not from propaganda.
002 4/1a: “O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord (Allah*)- - -". He is no guardian if he does not exist or if he is not a major god - Islam will have to prove so. And even if he exists, he is no guardian like the Quran claims, unless he is behind the stories in the Quran and the Quran in addition tells the full and only truth about this. And no omniscient god is behind a book as full of mistakes, wrong facts, contradictions, etc. as the Quran.
003 4/1b: “Reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you (people*) - - - “. Man was not created, according to science, but developed from earlier primates. Besides: Even if man had been created, Islam has never brought a proof for that he was created by a god (not by f.x. a devil), and neither for that the god in case was Allah.
"Words are cheap, proofs are reliable" - - - but only valid proofs.
004 4/1c: “- - - created you from a single person - - -“. Man could not come from a single person, there had to be at least 2 – male and female. But even if there was a couple, that would be too little – the DNA variety would be too small for the “tribe” to be viable. Man simply developed little by little – like the Quran – from earlier primates (as for the archaeological Eve and the archaeological Adam whom science talks about, and whom some Muslims disuse trying to “prove” something: See the chapter: “Some wrong arguments – and their answers” in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran".)
005 4/1d: (A4/1): ”- - - created you from a single Person (”nafs”) - - -.” Is this the correct meaning? Or f.x. ”- - - from humankind - - -” (Muhammad ’Abdu)? Or ”- - - from a soul - - -.” Or “- - - from a spirit - - -”? Or ”- - - from a living entity - - -.”? Or ”- - - from a vital principle - - -”? Or “- - - from self - - -.”? Etc. The word ”nafs” is very vague and has many meanings – far from the clear language Muslims claim. At least 7 possible varieties of meaning - "ways of reading". Is this a sample of a god's clear speech?
#006 4/3b: “If ye (Muslims*) fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice – two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess." This is one of the verses behind the Sharia laws. Actually it is the verse which permits Muslims to have 4 wives (+ slave women and concubines of course). The possible restriction to perhaps only one, sometimes(?) is overlooked.
###007 4/3c: “- - - marry women of your choice, two or three or four - - - or (a captive) that your right hand possesses - - -.” The distance between a poor Muslim and a slave was less than in a similar situation in the Americas – it was acceptable to marry a slave woman. The woman then formally often was given her freedom and was no more a slave – though as the more or less forced wife of a man, her freedom was not necessarily very real. The social position was better though, and she normally kept her freedom if there was a divorce.
#008 4/3d: “- - - marry women of your choice, two or three or four - - -.” This is the verse where the Muslims are told they can have up to 4 wives - and in addition as many concubines and slave women as you want and can afford. But see 4/3e just below.
+009 4/3e: (A4/3): “- - - marry women of your choice, two or three or four - - -.” Is this the correct meaning? (Exact literal meaning: “- - - such as are good for you - - “). Or “- - - as are lawful for you - - -“ (Muhammad Asad)? Or (“- - - you must apply the same consideration to the rights and interest of the woman you intend to marry (as to the orphan*) - - -.” (Sa’id ibn Jubair and others)? Or does it simply mean “- - - such as are good for you - - -.”? Here either the Quran or the Muslim scholars have made at least 4 meanings. And these variants also are in the Arab text, as the relevant word there has more than one meaning. Clear language in the Quran? - and this in a MOST serious point for many humans.
##010 4/3f: “- - - marry women of your choice, two or three or four - - -.” Guess if this is contradicted by NT, which clearly states: Only one wife. This is one of the points where the difference between the Bible and the Quran is so clear and the principles so fundamentally different - this even more so as in Islam a man in addition can have any number of concubines, which the NT does not permit - that this verse alone proves that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god. And then there are all the other proofs in addition.
011 4/3h: "- - - deal justly with them (your wives*) - - -". This only concerns the material things. It is very clear that Muhammad did not value all his wives similar - f.x. the child Aishah was his favorite wife - and thus such differences are permitted for all Muslims. But their material sustenance shall be equal.
012 4/4a: "And give the woman (on marriage) their dower as a free gift.” Where do you find anything about a dower in NT? The same god?
013 4/5c: "- - - property, which Allah hath made a means of support for you - - -". Everything you have got is not from your own brain or toil, but it is gifts from Allah. At least according to the Quran.
014 4/7c: "(From inheritance*) there is a share for men and a share for women - - -". The sharia laws concerning inheritance are in some ways a bit peculiar. One thing is that men inherit the double of women. More peculiar is that each inherits fixed shares which far from always add up to 1. If the share adds up to less than one it is not too big a problem - there are others who like a share. But when they add up to more than 1 = more than the total inheritance - well, then sometimes the lawyers make good money sorting things out to reduce the shares in "correct" ways. See 4/11-12 below.
015 4/11+12a: The verses about inheritance are far from clear in Islam. Muhammad stated fixed proportions. But the trouble is that those proportions may add up to more than the full value of the property. If there f.x. are these inheritors after a man’s death: 1 wife = 1/8 (3/24), 3 daughters = 2/3 (16/24), 1 father = 1/6 (4/24) and 1 mother = 1/6 (4/24). If you add these you will see that they are to inherit 27/24, which is mathematically and practically impossible. Or if a man dies and leaves only a sister and a brother: The sister gets ½ and the brother the double of what the sister gets = 1/2 + 2/2 = 3/2, which is an absurd joke. And what if a man had 2 wives, one with a child and the other not? Does the one with child get 1/8 and the other ¼? Etc. Juridical problems concerning inheritance are complicated under Islam because of these mistakes. But the shares are said to be ordained by Allah, the All-knowing!!!
016 4/12b: "Thus is it (the inheritance law in 4/11 and 4/12*) ordained by Allah - - -". As it is ordered by Allah, it is inflexible and forever, and as the shares often does not add up to 1, they have made many a lawyer rich. Not to mention that as the shares often do not add up to 1, it is clear the rules are not made by a god - an omniscient god knows his mathematics.
017 4/13ca: "- - - those who obey Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) will be admitted (to Paradise*) - - -". Strongly contradicted by the Bible, and especially by NT. Muhammad's and his Quran's religion of war and partly immoral moral code, etc. does not qualify for Yahweh's Paradise, and NT's religion of love hardly qualifies for the Paradise of the war religion of the Quran - one of the proofs for that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god.
018 4/13cb: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad's standard, but never proved mantra for gluing himself to his god and platform of power.
####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". Self centered. Selfish? You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more to him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.
019 4/13cd: "- - - His (Allah's*) Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". To believe that an omniscient god sent a messenger with a teaching so full of mistakes, etc., and even at least a few lies, like Muhammad and his Quran, we need strong proofs.
020 4/13e: "- - - abide therein (in Paradise*) (for ever) - - -". But 11/108c may indicate that it is not forever.
021 4/13f: "- - - that (life in the Quran's Paradise*) will be the supreme achievement". Yes, but only if the Quran tells the full and only truth about it, and not least about how to deserve it.
022 4/13g: "- - - that (life in the Quran's Paradise*) will be the supreme achievement". Life in the Quran's Paradise mainly is bodily pleasures - luxury, good food and drinks, shade, nice cloths and place of living, plenty of sex, etc., and in addition there is a god at some distance. Is that a supreme achievement compared to f.x. Yahweh's Paradise, where you according to the Gospels "become like angels" (Matt. 22/30), also in the neighborhood of their god? (The differences between the two Paradises are one more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are different gods.
023 4/14a: "But those who disobey Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) and transgress His limits will be admitted to the Fire - - -". In other words: Obey Muhammad as he is the representative of the god, or else -!!
024 4/14b: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad glues himself to the god throughout the Quran. Self-centered. Selfish?
025 4/14c: "- - - His (Allah's*) Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". To believe that an omniscient god sent a messenger with a teaching so full of mistakes, etc. like Muhammad and his Quran, we need strong proofs.
026 4/14f: "- - - transgress His limits - - -". Whose limits? The intended meaning is Allah's limits, but as the Quran is not from a god and thus not from Allah if he is a god, this needs documentation.
027 4/15a: “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness (unlawful sex*) - - - confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way”. (The last part of the sentence must be understood as a “way” metered out especially for each woman who gets such an “ordain”.) This was in 626 AD. But contradiction - and abrogation - 1-2 years later – in 627 or 628 AD:
24/3: “The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication – flog each of them with a hundred stripes - - -“.
It also must be added that in Islam there is a persistent rumor claiming that about 100 verses disappeared and never made it into the Quran when Caliph Uthman had the official Quran made, and that one of the verses was one which demanded stoning for this crime. The fact that stoning for it is prescribed for it in Hadith, and that Hadith (Al-Bukhari) tells that at least once Muhammad himself took part in such a stoning, may strengthen this rumor. If true this would abrogated both those verses, but only some places in the Islamic world one believes this strongly enough in this to use stoning today, instead of the after all milder punishment prescribed by the Quran.
There is one more moral and judicial question here: If the Quran is the highest authority and Hadiths a lower one, is it then right - if the woman really is guilty - to punish her according to the Quran or to murder her in a bestial way like the Hadiths wants?
This is an even more serious question as a raped woman who cannot bring 4 male witnesses to the very act (which normally is impossible) is to be punished for unlawful sex - probably the most unjust and immoral law on Earth. This means that in such cases Muslims and their sharia laws murder innocent women if they stone them.
028 4/16a: "If two men among you are guilty of lewdness (homosexuality*), punish them both". Homosexuality was not liked in the Quran - but is to a degree overlooked and unofficially accepted many places in Muslim areas.
029 4/16b: "If two men among you are guilty of lewdness (homosexuality*), punish them both. If they repent and amend, leave them alone". We have found nowhere in the Quran where to repent and amend was enough to be left alone after unlawful sex where one or more women was/were involved. One law for men, another for women. This even though homosexuality generally is reckoned to be more debased than heterosexuality.
030 4/17b: "- - - Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom". Not if he made the Quran.
031 4/18b: “Of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil, until Death faces one of them, and he says, ‘Now I have repented - - -’” This is another fundamental difference between the Quran and the Bible - the Bible accepts regret up to the very end, if it is an honest regret. Remember "in the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8-13).
032 4/20a: "But if you (Muslim*) decide to take one wife in place of another - - -". This is one more place where the NT and the Quran collides so formidably that it singlehanded proves that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god, and their religions not the same ones, except some similarities on some superficial points - like you also will find between Islam and several of the old pagan religions - - - and Jesus and Muhammad thus not in the same religion, not to mention in the same line of prophets. NT simply does not accept divorce except for very heavy reasons - in the Quran divorce is a standard factor both in life and in the religion. (In OT the rules for divorce were a bit looser than in NT. In NT the marriage was strengthened, and divorce hardly accepted any more. An omniscient god may change his rules when he finds there is a reason for it, but he does not play "try and fail" and then go back to his old rules or worse if his tries fail. For a god to strengthen essential rules - essential for the stability of life and communities and not least for the children - and then suddenly dislike his own improved rules and have to lift the most basic ones and reduce them to become ruled just by whims and wishes (here mainly by what a man likes this day or dislikes the next day like the rules for divorce in the Quran) is not the work of an omniscient god. It also may be remarked that in the NT children in some ways are central, whereas in the Quran's rules for divorce follow the man's wishes - his wishes mostly is what counts. The values of the marriage - or ending the marriage - for a woman, counts very little, and the value for children - f.x. a stable life and reliable conditions - is not mentioned at all.)
033 4/22 - 24a: These verses list some women who are unlawful for a man to marry (a similar list for women is not given - Islam is mainly for men). Notice that some of the prohibitions has no zoological meaning - they come from old pagan tradition: Married women (except slaves), step-mother, foster-mother, step-daughters, two sisters at the same time - and "wives of your sons proceeding from your loins (= real sons*)". But NB: In the old Arabia and into Islam some years it also was reckoned to be incest and a grave sin to marry the (former) wife of not only your real son, but also the wife of your adopted son, simply because he was reckoned to be your son. Then Muhammad fell for Zaynab, the wife of his adopted son Zaid! Quickly Allah changed the age-old laws: You in realty could not adopt children - "a boy should be called by his father's name and not by your". Foster-son, yes. Adopted son, no. Allah often was quick to obey Muhammad's wishes (!!?). Not only that: Allah ordered(?) Muhammad to marry Zaynab, "to prove to people that it is permitted to marry the former wife of your foster-son" (a small verse in the Quran or a small Hadith had had just the same effect - - - but then Muhammad had not got a new wife in his harem). But it is not to be denied that many, also Muslims, had and some still have problems accepting the "proof", as it as mentioned was age-old incest in Arabia + a betrayal of Zaid + it did not help that Zaynab still was married to Zaid when the story started. Even today some Muslims are not 100% glad when they defend just this deed of Muhammad. There also is no doubt that Allah's ordering Muhammad to marry her for the mentioned reason is one of the "thinnest" and most helpless "explanations" we have ever met for a serious deed.
034 4/23a: "Prohibited for you (Muslims*) (for marriage) are - - - your - - - daughters - - -". Lot in the Quran is a prophet to Allah. All the same he got children with his 2 daughters (1. Mos. 19/31-36). (Islam "solves" the problem by claiming that it cannot be true. No proof, only claims - like normal for Muhammad. And the only argument: We do not like to believe this.)
035 4/23b: "Prohibited for you (Muslims*) (for marriage) are - - - your - - - sisters - - -". Abraham - the highest idol in Islam except Muhammad - was married to his half-sister Sarah (1. Mos. 20/12). Muslims never mention this.
036 4/23c: "Prohibited for you (Muslims*) (for marriage) are - - - two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time - - -". Jacob, who according to the Quran was a prophet to Allah, was married to the two sisters Leah and Rachel at the same time (1. Mos. 29/22-30). We have never seen any Muslim comment on this.
#037 4/24a: “Also (prohibited (for Muslims to marry*) are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess - - -“. = You can rape or marry slave women even if they were/are married before. No comments. In this connection remember that not until in unbelievable 1982 AD was slavery abolished in the last Muslim country – Mauritania. (And not until even more unbelievable 2007 did it become a punishable crime there). That is to say; we have heard that Niger was even later, but we have found no confirmation on this. Also remember that according to UN (2008 AD) some 24 million humans today “live as slaves or under slave like conditions” – a good percentage of them in Muslim areas. And not least: According to old Islamic laws (later than Muhammad though), all so-called “new ideas” became prohibited and punishable early in the Islamic period. That meant everything not in the Quran or traditions (Hadith) was prohibited. This turned out to be too harsh, and they were forced to accept some changes: Changes which could be said to build on the Quran or Hadith were called “god new ideas” and permitted, whereas all other were called “bad new ideas” and still prohibited. And if times are reversed sometime in the future and Islam becomes dominant, the "bad new idea" (= not in the Quran or Hadiths) of ending slavery, may well be abolished as sinful. No matter how Muslims boast about that abolishing of slavery was/is an integrated part of Islam, that claim only is rubbish to be very polite. Islam was forced backwards and fighting into abolition slavery by the west, and if the situation changes sufficiently (f.x. in a future world dominated by Islam) slavery may well be reintroduced - Muhammad practiced slavery, and the abolishing it thus was and is "a bad new idea", like it or not, as everything Muhammad said and did was right.
Muhammad both took, raped (at least Rayhana bint Amr and Safiyya bint Huayay), used as gifts, accepted as gift (at least his colored concubine Mariah, who bore him his son Ibrahim, who died as a baby, though) and sold slaves – and Muhammad is the great icon in Islam: Everything he did is permissible, good, and morally and ethically fine. So if Islam gains the upper hand and the pressure and ideas from the outside come to an end, will then to continue abolishing slavery be thought to be a “good new idea” or a “bad new idea” – and in the latter case: Will slavery then little by little be reinstated like said above? – at least as long as the slaves are not Muslims? There are many who would not be surprised. Especially slave women is a temptation.
038 4/24d: "- - - seek (them (female slaves*) in marriage) with gifts from your property - - -." Well, Muhammad took Safiyya prisoner, made her his slave, raped her, then later married her, and her "gift" was release from slavery (but not from marriage). A very cheap "gift" from Muhammad's property in reality. (He wanted to get a cheap new wife in the same way with Rayhana bint Amr, but she refused to marry him.) You do the same like Muhammad!!!
039 4/24e: "- - - seek (them (female slaves*) in marriage) with gifts from your property - - -". Dower is not a necessary part of the marriage in the Bible. We will not use the strong word "proof" for that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god here, but it is an added indication.
040 4/24f: "- - - Allah is All-Knowing, All-wise". Not if he made the Quran - when there is divergence between big words - even often repeated big words - and reality, we always believe in the reality.
041 4/25b: “If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women - - -". The likely meaning here is that you cannot afford the dower. As a dower is not a necessary part (hardly a part at all) in the Bible, this problem is not from the Bible. (As mentioned other places, the demand for dower as part of the ritual of marriage, is one more indication for that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god.)
042 4/25h: "- - - give them (the slave women Muslims marry*) their dowers, according to what is reasonable - - -". Part of the background for the sharia laws. We may add that it was a custom that the dower for a slave woman was her formal freedom from bondage. (Some even did like Muhammad: He took Safiyya captive, then married her - after having first murdered her husband and raped her - and then used her new slave status as a dower. A cheap wife.)
Dower is an essential part of the marriage in the Quran, but totally not-interesting - not even mentioned as a part of the necessary formalities - in the Bible. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.
043 4/25i: “- - - their (slave women married to a free Muslim*) punishment (for crime or indecency*) is half of that for free women.” This was softer than in the Americas, as far as it was practiced (slaves in the house often fared not too bad in Muslim areas (like in the Americas), whereas slaves in the fields, mines, etc. could have a terrible life – not unlike the worst situations in the Americas - in spite of Muslims' boasting about how well slaves were treated).
##########044 4/25k: (YA540): A serious quote from today's Islam (printed 2006 AD): "- - - see to it that she (the (slave) woman you are to marry*) too believes (= is a Muslim*). In that case, after all, she too is of the human brotherhood - - -." "- - - of the human brotherhood - - -". No comments. As said: Printed in 2006.
As said: This is said today. Even though slavery formally is prohibited, it still is a part of the religion. And not least: IF SHE DOES NOT BECOM A MUSLIM, SHE IS NOT A PART OF THE HUMAN BROTHERHOOD!!
If Islam gains world power, how long time will it take before slavery re-emerges in large? ESPECIALLY SLAVES TAKEN FROM OUTSIDE "THE HUMAN BROTHERHOOD"? (Slavery still exists. F.x. the robber barons and their gangs in east Africa still take and rape and sell slaves today (2014 AD) - included girls and women for concubinate or prostitution. This was exactly what Muhammad did and therefore "lawful and good" and morally ok, and we have not heard that Islam is doing anything efficient to stop it.)
If our sources are correct, in the old times 2/3 of new slaves to Islamic areas, were children and women to the harems (to the Americas 2/3 were men for work). Shall we make a bet that harems will reemerge big style at least among the rich ones in case Islam gains world power?
045 4/26a: "Allah doth wish to make clear to you - - -". Allah or the maker of the Quran? (No god was involved in the making of the Quran - far too much is wrong).
0046 4/26c: "Allah doth wish to make clear to you (by means of the Quran*) - - -". No book as full of mistakes and unclear points, etc. as the Quran makes much clear to anybody.
BUT THE MOST CENTRAL POINT HERE IS JUST THIS THAT THE QURAN CONFIRMS THAT THINGS ACCORDING TO THE QURAN ARE EXPLAINED CLEARLY = TO BE UNDERSTOOD LITERALLY. THIS DOCUMENTS THAT WHEN ISLAM AND MUSLIMS CLAIM THAT ERRORS, CONTRADICTIONS, ETC. AND OTHER BAD POINTS DO NOT MEAN WHAT THE TEXTS SAY, BUT ARE ALLEGORIES OR SOMETHING, SUCH CLAIMS AND EXPLAINING AWAY ARE WRONG. BESIDES: WHO CAN EXPLAIN BETTER THAN AN OMNISCIENT GOD?
047 4/26d: "- - - Allah is All-knowing, All-wise". Not if he is behind the Quran - too much is wrong in that book.
048 4/27b: "- - - those who follow their lusts - - -". = The non-Muslims. It was essential for Muhammad to impress on his followers that the ones who did not believe him, did so because they were morally inferior persons. (The real reason was that many of them saw that Muhammad's claim that Allah and Yahweh were the same god and Islam was this god's religion, could not be true - the religions and the gods were too different).
049 4/27c: "- - - the wish of those who follow their lusts (the non-Muslims*) is that ye (Muslims*) should turn away (from Him (Allah*)) - far, far away". Is that a bad idea if Allah does not exist - perhaps only is a dressed up, non-existing pagan god? This even more so if the non-Muslim should happen to believe in an existing god?
###050 4/29c: "- - - nor kill (or destroy) yourselves - - -". A most essential sentence in a time with lots of self murder terrorists - self murder clearly is against this verse in the Quran.
051 4/29d: "- - - for verily Allah hath been to you (Muslims*) most Merciful". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See 1/1a above, and add the introduction of a war religion you have to participate in. And there in addition is the questions; does he exist? - and is he in case a god?
052 4/29+30a: "- - - nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: - - - If any of you (Muslims*) do that in rancor or injustice - soon shall We (Allah) cast them into fire". Worth thinking over for terrorists? - if for no other reason than because you do injustice when you kill - at least if you kill persons a real court would not sentence to death, you are doing injustice and will end in Hell. Most likely also for killing yourself, but clearly for killing persons with too small sins to be judged to death sentences by a real court. There also are the cases where some ones are suspected, but not guilty - in a court they can clear up the story, but not if they simply are killed.
053 4/29+30b: "- - - nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: - - - If any of you (Muslims*) do that in rancor or injustice - soon shall We (Allah) cast them into fire". At least when you do not think things over like in 4/29+30a just above, this may seemingly permit self murder terrorists. Some religion! - not to mention some "religion of peace"!!
054 4/30c: "- - - it is easy for Allah". If he exists and if he in addition is a god.
055 4/31a: "If ye (Muslims*) (but) eschew the most heinous of the things which ye are forbidden to do, We (Allah*), shall expel out of you all the evil in you, and admit you to a Gate of great honor". In plain words: If you do not do big sins, the small sins will be forgiven you and you will end in Paradise - an easy religion - - - if it is not a made up one (remember that the Quran is not from any god - too much is wrong).
As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.
056 4/32a: "And in no wise covet those things in which Allah hath bestowed His gifts more freely on some of you than on others - - -." The old problem: "I am a good Muslim. Why do others have better lives than me?" This is explained away several places in the Quran - explained away. The most used "explanation" simply is that Allah in his deep wisdom has decided it like that - and that in the claimed next life you will be on top and they punished - - - quite a comfort for you to "know".
####057 4/32b: - - - but ask Allah for His bounty". Why? If Allah has predestined everything, prayers is a waste of time - nobody and nothing can change Allah's Plan according to the Quran.
This in reality is one more - but never mentioned - utmost severe contradiction in the Quran: If Allah has predestined everything according to his unchangeable Plan, like the Quran states several places, it is cheating and a parody to tell Muslims that prayers for betterments may have an effect.
057 4/33a: Here the Quran suddenly and totally changes subject. This is something you meet MANY places in the book: It jumps back and forth, hither and thither between the subjects. Also in this way the Quran is not good literature.
059 4/33d: "For truly Allah is witness to all things". See 2/233h above and 35/38b below.
060 4/34a: “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength (only the physical strength counts*)) than the other, and because they support them from their means (because the women hardly had any other choice in Muhammad's Arabia*). Therefore, the righteous women are devoutly obedient (and chaste*)”. As for support: In many Arabian societies before Islam, the woman was working and doing her share of supporting the family and herself. In those many cases the reason why she needs support, is that Islam denies her the possibility to do it herself. (Actually one reason why a war religion like Islam may be will not succeed in conquering the world, simply is the inefficiency of the female workforce - and another that Muslims cannot be trained to think for themselves (and be innovative) because then they may start asking questions about Islam - among other things about all the mistakes, contradictions, and invalid proofs and logic - and some aspects with its morality, ethics and humanity - or the lack of such. As for empathy it is so far from Islam, that it is an open question to what degree an average, but strongly believing Muslim is able to feel empathy, at least for anything not Muslim - it is too foreign to the ideals of Islam).
061 4/34d: "- - - and because they (men*) support them (women*) - - -". This was/is a result of the culture, not a necessary side of human nature. Given the possibility a woman can well support herself, and in many old cultures the woman did her share of the work to feed and to bring up the family - in some cultures more than her share. But because some places in Arabia - not all - a woman could not do that, it is used as an argument for that she is inferior to the man - in Mecca (originally not in Yathrib/Medina or among many other Arabs) and soon in Muslim societies (partly because of Umar) and now in all the world (though with variations - many places women are permitted to work outside the family).
062 4/34f: “As to those women on whose part ye fear (!!) disloyalty and an ill-conduct - - - (if not words help*) chastise them (lightly) - - -.” We are told that the word “lightly” is not in the original Arab texts. And it is enough that you fear it - nothing more is necessary.
063 4/34i: (YA547): “- - - spank them (lightly) - - -.” But the Arab word used here – “daraba” – “is used in the Quran with about 17 - seventeen - different meanings - - -.” Has Allah so limited a vocabulary that he has to use such a diffuse speech? At least it is very clear that the texts in the Quran frequently are very unclear.
064 4/34j: "- - - Allah is Most High, Great (above you (people*) all". If he exists. And if he in addition is like told in the Quran - the full and only truth.
065 4/36a: "Serve Allah, and join not partners with Him - - -". In reality an Arabism, because only the Arabs could be accused of joining other gods with al-Lah/Allah. All others simply did not believe in al-Lah/Allah and had one or more god not in addition to him, but instead of him (and the old Arabs really believed in the pagan al-Lah, not in Muhammad's version of him).
066 4/36b: “- - - do good - to parents, kinfolks, orphans, those in need, neighbors who are near, neighbors who are strangers, the Companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hand possess - - -”. Allah likes people who do good - even to slaves. Your slaves are mentioned after even wayfarers you happen to meet, but they are mentioned. Proving Islam was planning to end slavery? Hardly.
067 4/37a: "- - - the bounties which Allah hath bestowed on them - - -". Everything you have, are gifts from Allah according to the Quran (and as Allah predestine what you are going to have, why work?)
068 4/37b: "- - - We (Allah*) have prepared, for those who resist Faith, a punishment that steeps them in contempt - - -". See 3/77b above.
069 4/38: "- - - if any take Satan for their intimate - - -". It is normal for Islam to tell that non-Muslims have Satan for their intimate. A bit ironic as it is clear the Quran is from no god - too much is wrong - and one of the theories for who is the maker is just the Devil (the partly immoral moral code, the hate, suppression, and war religion, etc. may indicate such an explanation).
070 4/39a: "- - - what Allah hath given them (Muslims*) for sustenance - - -". Everything you have, is given you from Allah according to the Quran.
071 4/39b: "For Allah hath full knowledge of them". See 2/233h above and 35/38b below.
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####072 4/40a: “Allah is never unjust in the last degree - - -.” Wrong. Examples: Suppression of others (non-Muslims) is “good and lawful and just” . The same is stealing and robbing if it is possible to find an excuse to call it jihad (to do things like this in the name of the god makes it extra disgusting) – and the same for rape of any not pregnant female captive or slave. But a top of injustice is: A raped woman is to be punished strongly for indecency if she cannot produce 4 male witnesses to the actual rape - nearly always impossible. Allah in the Quran at times is extremely unjust.
Another point is that this is one more of the places where Muhammad knew he was lying in the Quran. F.x. stealing/looting was normal practice in Arabia, but there is no way for the follower of a good and benevolent god to honestly believe that to steal or rob or rape are just deeds. The same goes for hurting or killing others - f.x. in a war or fight/attack not in real self defense, not to mention attacks/raids for stealing, etc. A third sample is taking slaves - impossible to justify morally (but easy economically if you see it only from your own side). F.x. even the old Greeks with their advanced and deep moral thinking, were unable to find a general moral justification for taking slaves. And rape - destroying other human's lives just for your own pleasure! But to Muhammad and the Quran and thus to Islam it is "lawful and good" and to be enjoyed (8/69). A cheap way for Muhammad to get warriors - and a nice life for many a Muslim man - but unjust to a high power - - - and no way for an intelligent man like Muhammad not to know this, and thus impossible for him not to know he was lying each time he made claims like above.
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073 4/40d: "- - - and giveth from His (Allah's) own presence - - -". If he exists, if he in case cares about what is said in the Quran - which is moderately likely as it is not from any god with all its errors, etc. - and if the Quran tells the full and only truth here.
074 4/40e: "- - - and giveth from His (Allah's) own presence a great reward". Often claimed, never proved - and a promise any Pagan can tell about his god, as long as he is able to evade all requests for proofs.
But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but theater.)
075 4/41a: "How then if We (Allah*) brought from each People a witness - - -?" But why - WHY - does a god who Islam claims is omniscient and predestining, need witnesses??!!
076 4/41b: "- - - and We (Allah*) brought thee (a Muslim*) as a witness against these People!" See 4/41a just above.
077 4/42b: "On that day those who reject Faith and disobey the Messenger (will be strictly punished)". A seldom used, but strong version of Muhammad's mantras to glue himself to his platform of power - his god. Do not disobey Muhammad!
078 4/42g: "- - - never will they (not good Muslims# and non-Muslims*) hide a single fact for Allah." Such - never proved - claims are good comfort for Muslims; "they" will be punished. They also are good whips for Muhammad and his successors - "behave, or Allah will punish you". And if Islam is a made up religion: It was and is good and cheap words for Muhammad and for his successors.
079 4/43d: "- - - in a state of ceremonial impurity - - -". Beware that when the Quran so strongly stresses cleanliness, it is the formal - ceremonial - cleanliness which really counts, not the physical reality. This said, however, there is little doubt that the stress on ceremonial cleanliness also influences Muslims' view on physical cleanliness.
080 4/43e: “- - - (if*) ye have had contact (in this case; had sex*) with a woman (you are unclean*)”. We have found no corresponding statement about a woman having had sex with a man becomes unclean - but then women from nature are more unclean. Sex is nice and necessary according to Islam, but it also is unclean. Not only physically unclean, but also ceremonial unclean. The same go for the juices from a woman, and hence partly to the woman herself, at least when she has her monthly period. Therefore it is essential for the man to clean himself afterward – and if real washing is not possible, then at least ceremonial cleansing, if by no other means then by dust or some kinds of earth. The women is ceremonial restricted when she has her periods – she is unclean – and has to do a thorough ceremonial cleaning each time the period is finished. This even though according to Islam it is Allah who has made also the women, and he created the humans perfect.
081 4/43f: "- - - if ye find no water, then take for yourself clean sand or earth and rub therewith your face and hands". It was the formal cleanliness which counted, not the reality (all the same it is highly likely that the Quran's demand for formal cleanliness also had a general effect).
082 4/43h: "- - - Allah doth blot out sins and forgive - - -". Not unless he exists and is a god, and if he behaves like described in the Quran - and if the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth about this.
As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.
083 4/44b: "- - - they (Jews and Christians*) traffic in error - - -" = they have falsified the Bible - a never documented claim science long since have proved untrue, not to say is a lie - and just to mention it: Islam has proved the same by being unable to find even one proved falsification. Even more: If Muslims demand a proof from you for this, first demand proof for falsification from them, as they put forth the claim and thus have the burden of proof - such proof does not exist and the best documentation for this is that if it had existed, Islam had put it in the wall of every mosque in gold. But as said it really is proved by science and by Islam (by not finding one single proved falsification among literally tens of thousands of relevant old manuscripts) beyond any reasonable and unreasonable doubt that the Bible is not falsified - some mistakes, yes; falsifications, no.
REMEMBER: THEY CLAIM THE BIBLE IS FALSIFIED, "ERGO" IT IS THEIR JOB TO PROVE THEIR CLAIM, NOT YOUR JOB TO PROVE IT WRONG. According to all rules for evaluation of claims, a claim is automatically wrong or at least suspect, if the claimant is unable to prove his/her words (and Islam is totally unable to prove that the Bible is falsified - they only MUST use that claim, because if wrong, also Islam is wrong and a made up and in reality pagan religion.)
084 4/44e: "- - - the right path". The road to the Quran's paradise (see 10/9f below). But is a religious "path" advised by a "guide-book" full of mistakes and not from a god - too much is wrong - the right path?
085 4/45a: "But Allah hath full knowledge of your enemies - - -". If he exists and is a god, and if he behaves like described in the Quran - and if the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth about this.
086 4/45c: "- - - Allah is enough for a Helper". See 4/45a above. We may add that in 1400 years and more there has not been one single proved case of help from Allah to anyone - a lot of claims, but no proved case.
087 4/46e: "We hear and we obey". This was the slogan Muhammad idolized for his followers. And who did they in case obey here on this Earth? - Muhammad.
088 4/46f: "(If the Jews only had obeyed Allah/Muhammad*) it had been better for them, and more proper - - -". Only if Islam is a real religion based on a real god, and only if in addition Yahweh does not exist.
089 4/46g: "- - - Allah hath cursed them (non-Muslim - in this case Jews*) for their unbelief - - -". One more strong proof for that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god: Yahweh - especially in NT - might curse persons for bad deeds, but not for disbelief itself. He instead would try to reach them and save them - compare Allah here to f.x. "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the lost sheep" (Matt. 18/12-14), "the lost son" (Luke 15/11-31), "the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8-13).
090 4/46h: "- - - their (the Jews'*) Unbelief - - -". It is not unbelief unless Allah exists and Yahweh not - and for Yahweh there exist a lot of proofs if the old books tell the truth, whereas for Allah there only - only - are claims from a not very reliable person, who on top of all liked respect, power, riches for bribes for more power - and women - and who had Allah as his platform of power.
091 4/47f: "- - - We (Allah*) cursed the Sabbath-breakers - - -". An interesting piece of information, as Muslims does not celebrate the Sabbath, and break each and everyone.
092 4/47g: "- - - the decision of Allah must be carried out". Only if Allah is a reality and a god.
093 4/48a: “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him, - - -.” See 2/255a and 6/106b above, and 25/18a below.
Another point is: Can Allah forgive? To forgive in case means to change his predestined Plan, and to change that Plan is impossible according to several verses in the Quran.
As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.
094 4/48b: “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him, - - -.” Contradicts at least this one:
4/153: “Yet they (Moses’ Jews*) worshiped the (gold*) calf - - - even so We (Allah*) forgave them - - -“ – which he said he would not/never do in 4/48.
We may add that such a calf was a symbol for the holy ox Apis, which again was reckoned to be an incarnation of the great Egyptian god Ptah. They thus took Ptah as a god in addition to Yahweh.
095 4/48d: "- - - set up partners with Allah - - -". Non-Muslims do not set up partners with Allah. They simply do not believe he exists and set up another god - or other gods - instead. But Muhammad use the mentioned expression to claim that they know about Allah (and thus certifies his claims about Allah's existence), but have other gods in addition. Wrong. There are in this case oceans between "instead of " and "(together*) with".
096 4/48e: "- - - set up partners with Allah - - -". This only happened in Arabia, as the old Arabs believed in al-Lah and other gods. As Muhammad claimed al-Lah was his god Allah, he could claim the old Arabs set up other gods together with al-/Lah/Allah. But this as said only goes for Arabia - and the old Arabs were thinking about their own pagan god, not Muhammad's version of Allah.
097 4/48f: "- - - a sin most heinous indeed". Only if the Quran is without mistakes about this and about Allah and his existence.
098 4/49a: "- - - those (Jews*) who claim sanctity for themselves - - -". The Jews claimed to be "the god's chosen people", much to the irritation of Muhammad. Muhammad used to claim they claimed this special status because they were descendants of Abraham, even though he well knew about the real background; the Jews' covenant with Yahweh. Perhaps "descendants from Abraham" were easier to ridicule than a covenant with a god? Muhammad also did his best to claim the Jews' covenant with the god was terminated, but this is nowhere said by Yahweh according to the old books.
099 4/49b: "- - - Allah doth sanctify whom He pleaseth". Once more a fundamental difference between the Quran and especially NT: Yahweh sanctifies anyone who really wants and qualifies, Allah only whom he wishes.
100 4/50a: "How they (Jews and Christians*) invent a lie against Allah". = How they have falsified the Bible! = the only defense Muhammad had against the fact that there were large differences between what he told about the Bible and what really was in the Bible. See 2/75b, 2/89ab, 2/130 and 4/47d above and "Falsifications in the Bible?" in https://www.1000mistakes.com .
101 4/50b: "But that (to lie about Allah*) by itself is a manifest sin!" Is that also the case for the makers of the Quran? With that many errors, contradictions, cases of invalid logic, etc. it is not from a god, but invented by someone or something and just pretended to be from a god - but no god makes a book of a quality like the Quran. Still Muhammad blamed - and Islam blames - the Quran on the claimed, and claimed omniscient, god Allah.
102 4/50c: "But that (to lie about Allah - f.x. by revering Yahweh*) by itself is a manifest sin!". Wrong if Yahweh really exists - and even more so if Allah in addition is a made up, originally pagan god, and thus only a pagan mental idol.
103 4/51d: "- - - and say to the Unbelievers that they are better guided in the (right) way than the believers". This sentence is a bit unruly. What is meant is that the People of the Book tell other Unbelievers that they - the People of the Book - are better informed than the believers in Islam, about what is the right religion. Especially if Allah is a made up god, they may be right - not to mention if Yahweh in addition is an existing one.
104 4/51g: "- - - they (Jews, Christians*) are better guided - - - than (Muslims*) - - -". If Yahweh exists like both the Bible and the Quran tells, but Allah not - or if Allah is not a dominant god - this may be correct. Yahweh has proved himself if the old books tell the truth, Allah has proved exactly nothing.
105 4/52b: "They (the People of the Book - Jews, Christians, Sabeans*) are (men) Allah hath cursed - - - have no one to help". Wrong if the god(s) they believe in - f.x. Yahweh - really exists. Not to mention if Allah in addition is a fiction.
106 4/53a: "Have they (non-Muslims*) a share in dominion and power?" Yes, if their god - f.x. Yahweh - is a real and powerful god. And perhaps all the power if Allah is a fiction.
107 4/53b: "Behold, they (Jews and/or Christians*) give not a farthing to their fellow-men". A bit strange claim as generosity always has been a positive thing in Christianity. And not less strange as f.x. hardly any of the really international aid or help NGOs started in Muslim countries, but in Christian ones. Claims are cheap, reality is reliable.
108 4/56b: “Those who reject Our (Allah’s) Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire - - -”. As long as no reliable sign is sent, there should be no excuse for casting anyone into the Fire. Also see 3/77b above.
####109 4/56e: (In Hell:) "As often as their skin is roasted through (takes ca. 5 min. in a good fire according to science), #####We (Allah!! NB!!) shall change them for fresh skins (to give maximum pain*)".
1: Is this a good and benevolent god?
2: Why is Allah working in Hell? Is the Islamic rumor true that Hell is part of Allah's system and the Devil only a proprietor permitted by Allah? - in that case Allah definitely is no good and benevolent god (if he exists).
110 4/56f: "(Allah is*) - - - Exalted in Power - - -". He in case never clearly proved it.
111 4/56g: "(Allah is*) - - - Wise". Not if he made the Quran.
112 4/57d: "- - - Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath - - -". The desert dwellers' dream of a paradise - an Arabism.
113 4/57e: "- - - (Paradise will be*) their (Muslims'*) eternal home". But 11/108c may indicate that it is not quite eternal.
114 4/57f: “- - - therein (Paradise*) shall they (deserving Muslim men*) have companions pure and holy (houris - sex slaves in Paradise*) - - -.” Houris are a bit special kind of women, but the “fact” that they are given to the men arriving in Paradise as repayment for good (?) deeds, tells kilometers about Islam’s view on women, about the Quran's moral code and about the Muslim Paradise.
115 4/57g: “- - - therein (Paradise*) shall they (deserving Muslim men*) have companions (houris - sex slaves in Paradise*) pure and holy - - -.” Very different from the Bible's Paradise to use an understatement (f.x. Luke 20/36 - "they are like angels") - very different. The same god? You bet! Actually this - the concubines in Paradise - is one of the points where the difference between the Bible and the Quran is so big and so fundamental, that it singlehanded proves that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and then there are all the other proofs in addition.
We may add that the idea of houris is "borrowed" from the Persian religion Zoroastrianism, where the name of those sex slaves were paaris.
####116 4/57j: This is what the Muslim paradise has to offer: Good food and drink (and never to the toilet), lots of women (a small share of their husband for women - if they are able to compete with the houris), peace and quiet, nice shades and enough water, nice clothes and riches. You must be primitive, uneducated, poor, and from a hot desert to be able to think about this as the ultimate Paradise. F.x. exceedingly boring in the long run. Very different from the Bible's "You become like angels" (f.x. Luke 20/36). The very different paradises is one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.
117 4/58a: "- - - judge with justice - - -". On the face of it, this is a good demand. The minus is that it is meant "justice" according to the Quran's partly immoral moral code and the sometimes very unjust sharia laws.
118 4/58f: "- - - how excellent is the teaching (the Quran*) which He (Allah*) giveth you - - -". There is little excellent in a teaching where very much is wrong. And little excellence in a claimed holy book so full of wrong facts, other errors, contradiction, unclear texts, etc., and even at least a few lies, that it prove the book is not from any god.
119 4/59b: "Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -." This is one of Muhammad's standard, but never proved mantras to glue himself to Allah and his platform of power - here in a strengthened version - doubly nice as "Obey Allah" on Earth = obey Muhammad. An interesting and often repeated order from Allah(?) - at least interesting for a man who obviously liked power (and respect). Self-centered. Selfish? - he could be mistaken for that now and then.
120 4/59e: "Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad*), and those charged with authority among you." A clear order from the god: Obey the authority.
121 4/59g: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad's standard, but never proved mantra for gluing himself to his platform of power; Allah.
####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". Self-centered. Selfish? You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more for him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.
p>122 4/60c: "- - - the revelations that have come down to thee (Muhammad*) - - -". In case they came, they at least came from no god - too much is wrong. Then from whom?
123 4/60d: "Their (non-Muslims'*) (real) wish is to resort together for judgment (in their disputes) to Satan - - -". This is the kind of people non-Muslims are - at least according to the Quran!
124 4/60e: "But Satan's wish was to lead them astray - - -". The Quran intends that "they" are Jews, Christians, etc. But a pertinent question as it is clear the Quran is from no god, and as the Quran's moral code at points are horrible, is: Are the Muslims included in "they"? Or perhaps the Muslims = "they"? (some of the rules in the Quran may be made by a devil). Such rumors exist.
125 4/60f: "- - - (from the Right (the teaching of the Quran*)) - - -". With all those mistakes, etc. that teaching at best is partly right. At best. And no god has sent down a book with that many errors.
126 4/61e: "- - - reveled - - -". Is the Quran really revealed? - and in case from whom as no god ever was involved in a book that full of mistakes, etc.? At least the claim that it is revealed from a god is wrong. Also see 4/47c above.
127 4/63: “Those men (not good Muslims or apostates*) - - - keep clear of them, but admonish them, and speak to them a word to reach their very soul.” To keep clear of the not good Muslims, not to mention the possible apostates (this verse shows that apostates did (and do) exist - there are Muslims denying this), was not the real – and shortly also not the official - line for a long time. It soon was: Punish them! This verse is contradicted and often “killed” and abrogated by at least these verses demanding stricter actions: 2/191, 2/193, 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 5/73, 8/12, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 29 contradictions).
128 4/64a: "We sent not a Messenger (included Muhammad*) but to be obeyed - - -". Obey Muhammad! - no comment. Well, one: Jesus - and many other Biblical prophets - said "follow me", not "obey me". There is a fundamental difference here. But "obey me" gives more power.
129 4/64h: "- - - asked Allah's forgiveness - - -". Only 2 can forgive - the victim and a god. Thus in cases where Allah - if he exists - is not the victim, he cannot forgive unless he is a real god.
Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran is something nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.
###130 4/65b: "- - - they (persons*) can have no (real) Faith until they make thee (Muhammad*) judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against thy decisions - - -". = You only are a real believer if you accept Muhammad's total dictatorship and never question his decisions. ########This is a sentence which alone tells books about Muhammad and about Islam.
##131 4/66a: “If We (Allah*) had ordered them to sacrifice their lives or to leave their homes, very few of them would have done it (also most Muslims do not like war*): but if they had done what they were (actually) told, it would have been best for them - - -”. Allah had liked them better if they went to war, and willingly so. Like f.x. the Old Norse religion, Islam glorifies war, at least war for Allah and Muhammad (and his successors). And like the Old Norse religion, to die in battle meant to go to Paradise. That makes ferocious warriors - and today: Ferocious terrorists. Terrorists often do not qualify for Paradise even according to the rules of the Quran (their “war” is not really jihad, even if their leaders have told them so, and/or they practice their “war” in ways not accepted by the Quran - killing the not guilty, f.x. - even though the terrorists “define” the victims as guilty - and self murder is not accepted according to the Quran, etc., but as long as terrorists believe they are right, the effect is the same.
########A curiosum: Even in the Old Norse religion women had a better standing than even in modern time Islam. Muslims like to claim that Islam bettered and codified the position of women - at a time when they claim this was not codified in the partly Christian Europe. What they "forget" to mention is that the betterment only goes for Mecca and a few other places - in most of what now is Muslim area (even in Medina) women had a better social position before Islam. And not least: Muslims also "forget" to mention that Islam has forever locked women in a position based on the dark parts of early medieval times, whereas in the rest of the world, much has changed for the better, included the position and social standing of the women. Curiosa - but also strong and dark facts.
132 4/67b: "- - - a great reward". Paradise - see 10/9f below.
But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but theater.)
#133 4/68a: “And We (Allah*) should have shown them (see 4/67 above) the Straight Way (if they went to war*)”. War was essential for Muhammad - and still is for some Muslims - and there are lots of incitements to go to war. Like it or not - NT is far, far more peaceful. Yes, even OT, as that tells about old wars, but does not incite to war forever - and a limited war to gain a country for the Jews, not a global war to suppress all non-Muslims on the entire globe - - - or make them Muslims, often by force or pressure backed by force. It is far from true when Muslims tell Islam is a peaceful religion (except towards fellow Muslims of the same sects).
#134 4/68b: “And We (Allah*) should have shown them (see 4/67 above*) the Straight Way (to Paradise if they went to war)”. One more never proved claim from a man who had a lot to gain and who according to Islam was not very reliable (overlook the glorious words and read what he really demanded, introduced and did, and you will see how reliable he was and his real moral - demands and deeds, etc. are much more reliable than cheap words.
135 4/68d: "- - - the Straight Way". How can a crooked guide-book show any straight way? Also: Is there a symbolism in that Muhammad talked about the straight - the easy - road, whereas Jesus talked about the narrow - the difficult - road? Populism vs. realism?
136 4/69a: "All who obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad*) (are liked by Allah*)". Double plus for Muhammad: Glue him to Allah + obey him. Strengthening the platform of power. Self-centered. Selfish? An extra point here - like many other places in the Quran - is that here on Earth the one they had to obey, was Muhammad, a nice situation for any leader wanting power.
137 4/69e: "- - - the Sincere (lovers of Truth) - - -". The man who in reality institutionalized al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth), etc., even though it only was formalized later, who believed in deceiving ("war is deceit" - and everything is jihad) and who advised his followers to break their words/promises/oaths if that gave a better result (according f.x. to the Quran: 2/224e-f, 2/224-225, 5/89a+b, 16/91, 66/2), so definitely did and do not belong here. "Ausgeschlossen" to use a German - here - imperative.
This panegyric point also is quite a black joke and irony when you remember that Islam is the only one of the big religions which accepts dishonesty like mentioned just above, deceit, disuse/breaking of words/promises/oats (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2) as working tools, etc. - and also other forms for dishonesty like stealing/looting, extortion, etc.
138 4/69k: "What a beautiful fellowship (Islam)!" Look at Islam's treatment of non-Muslims outside Muslim area, f.x. during raids, wars and conquest, of non-Muslims inside Muslim areas at times, of Muslims disagreeing with the mainstream religion, of their own women, of slaves and slave women, and not to forget look at the Quran's moral code and sharia law, and then say this once more - if you are able to.
139 4/70a: "- - - the Bounty from Allah - - -". We are back to the worn out topic: He only can give you of his claimed bounty if he exists.
140 4/70b: "- - - the Bounty from Allah - - -". Does the Quran here mean what the Muslims stole/steal, raped/rape, extorted/extort, and enslaved during raids and wars?
141 4/70d: "- - - and sufficient is it that Allah knoweth all". All the mistakes, etc. in the Quran prove beyond not only any reasonable doubt, but beyond any doubt at all that he knows far from all - - - if it is he who made that book.
Besides: If he really knows everything, why then does he have to test all and everybody? If he already knows all, he can learn absolutely nothing from it.
142 4/72+73b: As mentioned in 4/72+73a just above these two verses are pep-talk for war. You NEVER find such pep talk in NT - NEVER. One more of the many points which alone proves that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion - and then there are all the other proofs in addition.
#143 4/74b: “Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter”. You NEVER find things like this in NT - NEVER - and not even in OT (there they fought for (establishing) their country). One more of the many points which alone proves that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and then there are all the other proofs in addition.
144 4/74c: “To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah - whether he is slain or gets victory - - -". Notice that the Quran never talks about the 3. alternative: The ones who becomes invalids. In any non-atomic battle there normally are to the size of 10 wounded for each killed. A good percentage of these will be so seriously hurt, that they never regain their health, and become a burden to their families instead of a plus. ####The book also never mentions the situation for families and children who have to live on with an invalid - or dead - father. May be Allah forgot this alternative?
145 4/75a: “And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah - - -?" The most clear-cut reason is that all the mistakes in the Quran makes it clear that something is seriously wrong + it makes it as clear that there is no god behind the book - no god makes such and so many errors. And when there is no god behind a religion, you do not fight for a god if you go to war.
146 4/76e: "- - - those who reject Faith fight in the cause of Evil - - -". Non-Muslims opposing Muhammad are bad people. There is a good reason to fight and kill or suppress them - and steal their possessions, children, and women.
##147 4/76j: "- - - the friends of Satan - - -". A name used by Muhammad and the Quran for non-Muslims. Quite understandable that Muslims may be reluctant to be integrated with such detestable persons. (If this had been a novel or a sect religion, Islam had been prohibited in most civilized countries for hate mongering, incitement to war and discrimination, etc. The only reason why the Quran is not prohibited in all civilized countries for such reasons, is that Islam is too strong and that most non-Muslims do not know the book and its very fascistic and hateful message, not to say Nazi-like message of discrimination, murder and war.)
###148 4/77b: “Our Lord! Why hast Thou ordered us to fight?” This is a question from a Muslim not wanting to fight (though see 4/77a just above) - and we should remember that after all today they are the majority (but the trouble for non-Muslims is that it is difficult and impossible to know who are terrorists, who are helping terrorists, who give money to terrorists, who has sympathy with terrorism and who are just plain - and often sympathetic - humans). But the verse makes it very clear - as do many other verses in the Quran - that war for the religion is a duty and an order. Who said that terrorists have to disuse the Quran to find incitement and reasons?
149 4/77d: “Short is the enjoyment of this world: the Hereafter is best for those who do right - - -.” You may flee from war in this short life – but those who go to war will have a much better next and everlasting life. Become a warrior and fight for Muhammad – and for Allah (if he exists). The ones doing right, are those who fight wars for Allah and for Muhammad. The religion of peace!?!
150 4/77h: "- - - never will ye (Muslims*) be dealt with (by Allah*) unjustly in the very least!" If Allah exists, if he is a major god, and if the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth about him. But also see 4/77i just below.
###151 4/78a: ###########“Wherever you are, death will find you, even if ye are in towers built strong and high!” The predestination once more - Allah has decided when you are to die (Hadiths tell he decides on this - and on whether you are to end in Hell or Paradise - 5 months before you are born). You can as well go to war and do "good" things for Allah – and get rewards and spoils of war from him – because you will die no sooner and no later all the same. No comments should be necessary. Beware that this is the belief also today, even though it is ever so easy to prove by statistics - and also by simply using your brain - that this is wrong. If this is true, free will for man can walk away whistling a tune.
152 4/78d: “All things are from Allah.” From other places in the Quran one knows that “all things” means everything which happens, is given, is taken, and anything else. Then 4/78 is clearly contradicted by 4/79: “- - - but whatever evil happens to thee, is from thy (own) soul”. In addition this sentence from 4/79 is wrong – there f.x. are the natural and other catastrophes and accidents impossible for you to cause, and there are other peoples’ and animals’ actions. In addition every verse telling that man has free will, is contradicted by this (and many others) verse – free will for man and full predestination, and even only full precognition are absolutely impossible to combine even for a god. Even Islam admits that it is impossible to combine, “but all the same it has to be true as Allah says so (in the Quran)” (!!!!!) (“The Message of the Quran” 6/149, note 6/141).
153 4/79a: "Whatever good, (O man!) happens to thee, is from Allah - - -". Nothing good is from your toil or brain or father - it is all gifts from Allah. (But then why toil or think?).
154 4/79c: "And We (Allah*) has sent thee (Muhammad*) as a Messenger - - -" No god sends a messenger telling tales where so much is wrong.
155 4/79d: "And We (Allah*) has sent thee (Muhammad*) as a Messenger - - -". Another version of Muhammad's mantra to glue himself to his platform of power - his religion.
156 4/79fa: " - - - a Messenger to (instruct) mankind". Muhammad should instruct - and instruct dishonesty, apartheid, and war religion - and he should do it to all mankind. The first part was easy in a robbing and warlike culture. But why choose an unfinished an primitive language, and why are all - to a large degree made up - stories and tales and wrong facts, etc. only from in and around Arabia, if the Quran is a copy of "the Mother of the Book" - a claimed timeless miracle of quality and meant for all the world and all people and cultures and times?
####157 4/80a: "He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah - - -". It is not possible to express Muhammad's mantra more directly than this. The ultimate dictator with ultimate power. Self-centered. Selfish? - well, at least he may be mistaken for that.
##158 4/80b: "He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah - - -". If Muslims insists on that Yahweh = Allah, this is one more very strong proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.
159 4/80e: "We (Allah*) have not sent thee (Muhammad*) to watch over their (evil deeds)". This was in 626 AD, shortly before Muhammad's power really took off. Guess if this sentence was abrogated (made invalid) by later and harsher verses!! - f.x. 9/5. The ones doing right, are those who fight raids and wars for Allah and the ones who suppress the non-Muslims.
Besides no god ever sent a messenger telling so much wrong as Muhammad did, and no good and benevolent god ever sent a representative as thieving and bloody as Muhammad.
160 4/81aa: "Obedience". One of Muhammad's strongest demands. Normal for eastern potentates/dictators.
161 4/81c: "- - - put thy (Muslims'*) trust in Allah - - -". A bit risky if he does not exist.
162 4/81e: "- - - enough is Allah as a disposer of affairs". If he exists, if he is a major god, and if the Quran in addition tells the full truth and only the truth about this.
163 4/82a: "Do they (some skeptics*) not consider the Quran (with care)?" At least a number did - and found too much wrong and too much wanting. Those were the real reasons for a large number of skeptics - not the base reasons Muhammad accused them of./p>
###164 4/82b: “Had it (the Quran*) been from other than Allah, they would surely therein found much discrepancy.” #####What a proof!!! The ultimate joke and irony! In addition to all the mistakes, contradictions, etc. (roughly at least unbelievable 3000 (!!!) everything included), there is so much discrepancy in the Quran, that Islam has a special rule how to solve such problems - the so called rule of abrogation: If there is discrepancy between two (or more) places in the Quran, the youngest one normally is the correct one - the omniscient Allah so often (300 times or more according to "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran") had to change his mind or got new information which forced him to change his words, that one needs a special rule how to behave in such cases (this is one of the reasons why it is essential for Islam to know the age of the surahs and verses, or at least which is older than which - to know which is valid and which is abrogated). And there is so much discrepancy between the Quran and modern knowledge that it is clear that either Islam has a lot of good explaining to do, or the Quran is not made by an omniscient god. (Islam has a lot of explanations, but most of those are not about explaining the mistakes, etc., but about explaining them away, and such "explanations" most often are invalid or highly dubious - use your brain and knowledge when you listen or read, and you will see this is true). ###############The quoted sentence really is an indirect, but strong proof from the Quran itself that the Quran is not sent down from an omniscient god - and a reason why Muslims cannot afford to admit there is one single mistake in the book, no matter how unlikely explanations they have to use to “explain” the mistakes away: If there are mistakes, there is something fundamentally wrong with the religion. That is too difficult to face.
(It should be mentioned that some Muslims denies there is a rule of abrogation (an omniscient god would not need to adjust or further specify his own rules - it spoils the picture of perfection and of omniscience), but anyone can read and see for him-/herself: Many points are adjusted, extended or given other limits - larger or smaller - in the Quran. We have never counted, but we have read numbers from ca. 100 to more than 500 abrogations depending on how strictly you judge. http://www.1000mistakes.com/"1000+ Mistakes in the Quran" lists 300+. Actually it is said by some Islamic scholars that only 9/5 – “the Verse of the Sword” – abrogates 124 older mild verses).
In addition to the internal discrepancies in the Quran, one has all the mentioned mistakes – they are discrepancies compared to the reality. Besides: Even if it had been without the least contradiction, that had meant nothing as a proof - Muhammad had plenty of time to be careful and think his words over as after all this not big book took 23 years (but he was unable to make it perfect). But in reality there are more than 300 internal contradiction (see http://www.1000mistakes.com about this) + all external contradictions (contradiction with reality).
###165 4/84a: “Then fight in Allah’s cause - - -.” One more verse which contradicts and abrogates many of the peaceful verses from mainly Mecca and early Medina (this is from 626 AD and the harsher religion Islam had developed into). At least 10 contradictions and as many abrogations. Remember that when the Quran talks about fight, it normally always means armed combat (as opposed to NT where it refers to intellectual conflict).
###166 4/84c: “Then fight in Allah’s cause - - -.” This one is strongly contradicted both by OT (where one fought first to establish a country and later to defend it), and even far more - 180 degrees opposite - by NT (which does not accept physical fighting at all - "turn the other cheek"). One of the many points in the Quran which singlehanded proves that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and then there are all the other proofs.
167 4/84d: "- - - rouse the Believers (to armed combat*)". May be this is what some imams, mullahs and others are doing? Well, drop "may be".
168 4/84e: "- - - rouse the Believers (to armed combat*)". This one is strongly contradicted both by OT (where one fought first to establish a country and later to defend it), and even far more - 180 degrees opposite - by NT (which does not accept physical fighting at all - "turn the other cheek"). One of the many points in the Quran which singlehanded proves that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god - and then there are all the other proofs.
169 4/84g: "It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the unbelievers". Once more we are back to the fact: Not unless he exists and has the power to do this.
170 4/84i: "- - - for Allah is the strongest in might - - -". A might he in case never provably has proved.
171 4/85b: "- - - whoever recommends and helps an evil cause; shares its burden." Is f.x. indiscriminate killing by terrorists of persons who would not be sentenced to death in a normal court, part of a good or an evil cause? Is inflicting pain and terror on persons a normal court would not sentence to such a punishment - or raping a woman just because you have taken her captive and the Quran thus permits you to rape her and hurt or destroy her life, just because you want some minutes of pleasure and may be enjoy the feeling of power over a helpless victim, part of a good cause or an evil cause? Etc. No other of the large religions has such a rotten moral code as Islam on points like this - but you find similarities in some old and primitive and luckily more or less forgotten war religions; pagan religions. Also most big religions have moral philosophy/thinking, but Islam not - Islam only have the old code made from what Muhammad said and did (and Muhammad was not a very moral man - just look at what he demanded, wanted and did; deeds, introduced rules and moral standards, and demands, etc. are much more reliable than glorious words or propaganda). As for punishing and killing, the Quran says that no parent shall be punished for what their children do and the other way around - but many Muslims, not to mention terrorists, punishes far more remote relatives, or not relatives at all (f.x. innocent persons who just happen to be from a disliked country), and that killing of the innocent is a great sin.
172 4/85c: "- - - whoever recommends and helps an evil cause; shares its burden." This also should be the case for Muslim clergy - imams, mullahs, etc. - and others who incite to evil deeds, and NB; evil deeds according to normal moral codes, not the Islamic sometimes rather peculiar ones.
It should also be the case for the ones doing evil deeds - f.x. deeds conflicting "do to others like you want others do to you".
173 4/85e: "- - - Allah hath power over all things". Often claimed, never proved. (And remember a proof is not just a claim or a reference to an authority. A proof is "one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". The reason why claimed proofs from Islam normally are invalid, is that they do not build on proved facts, only on loose words or claims - or on thin air).
174 4/86b: "Allah takes careful account of all things". = Conform to the rules - and do not try to cheat, because Allah sees it. Good psychology from any leader who wants his followers to follow his rules.
175 4/87a: "There is no god but He (Allah*) - - -". See 2/255a above and 6/106b and 25/18a below - and for that case 2/165c above.
176 4/87b: "- - - of a surety He (Allah*) will gather you (people*) together against the Day of Judgment". Only if Allah exists, if he has made the rules in the Quran, and if the Quran in addition has made no mistakes on this point.
177 4/87g: "And whose words can be truer than Allah's?" Allah - al-Lah - was a pagan main god from Arabia made sole god on basis of a book full of mistakes, contradictions, etc., dictated by a man of very doubtful morals - believing f.x. in al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), and even the breaking of oaths and on deceit - and a man liking power and riches (at least for bribes - and women), but unable to prove one single of his claims about his god or his connection to a god. Is this a god basis for believing what is said to be the truth? And 100% sure: If the Quran is Allah's words, much of his words are not the truth.
178 4/87h: "And whose words can be truer than Allah's? (Muhammad's?)" Reality can be truer when Allah - or at least the Quran - is wrong; facts are facts even if a claimed god makes mistakes. And honestly: When Allah is wrong - like many places in the Quran - many a person can be truer.
179 4/88c: "Would ye guide (by means of the Quran*) those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way?" Read f.x. about "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the lost sheep" (Matt. 18/12-14), "the lost son" (Luke 15/11-31), and "the 11. hour (Matt 20/8-13). No further comments.
180 4/88d: “For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the way, never shalt thou find the way.” When Allah has decided – and he decides everything, and even before you are born – there is no way to have things your own way. Yahweh on the other hand according to NT would NEVER throw anyone out of the way who honestly wanted to be in - and he would go far out of his way to lead those on a wrong track back to the right one. Cfr. f.x. "the lost sheep" (Matt.18/12-14). Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.
181 4/88e: "- - - those (non-Muslims*) whom Allah hath thrown out of the way - - -". But is it Allah or the fact that many of them see that something is seriously wrong with the Quran and with Islam, which make them look for other roads?
182 4/89b: “- - - take no friends from their (hypocrites’/non-Muslims‘*) ranks”. Direct order. No wonder Muslims often are reluctant mingling with non-Muslims. And there are many similar points in the Quran.
###183 4/89e: "- - - seize them (the ones leaving/opposing the religion*) and slay them wherever you (Muslims*) find them - - -." To say the least of it: Contradicting Jesus' words in NT. It is not possible that the Quran and NT is from the same god - and not possible that Muhammad and Jesus is from the same line of prophets. Too different fundamental ideals, moral, ethics, etc. in the religions.
###184 4/89f: "- - - seize them (the ones leaving/opposing the religion*) and slay them wherever you (Muslims*) find them - - -." The religion of peace practicing no compulsion in religion. "The Religion of Honesty"??!
####185 4/89g: "- - - seize them (the ones leaving/opposing the religion*) and slay them wherever you (Muslims*) find them - - -." You find nothing similar in NT. One of the really strong profs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Their moral codes at points are so different that there are no connections at all, especially if you look at NT and Jesus.
186 4/89h: "- - - and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their (non-Muslims'*) ranks - - -". Similar to 4/89b above, but stronger. How to integrate believing Muslims in other cultures?
187 4/89h: "- - - and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their (non-Muslims'*) ranks - - -". Similar to 4/89b above, but stronger. How to integrate believing Muslims into other cultures?
###188 4/90b: “- - - hearts restraining them (persons from the enemies*) from fighting you as well as fighting their own people”. The ideal is fighting for Muhammad/Allah. One of the many points in the Quran which singlehanded proves that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion - and then there are all the other proofs.
##189 4/92a: “Never should a believer kill a believer - - -”. Especially in the NT in the Bible the corresponding order is: “You shall not kill”. But non-Muslims of course count less and really do not matter. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.
190 4/92f: "- - - Allah hath all knowledge and wisdom". Not if he made the Quran. Also see 2/233h above.
191 4/93a: “If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell - - -”. Not a word is said about killing a non-Muslim intentionally. Compare NT: "You shall not kill". But then there is the difference that Muslims are valuable, non-Muslims less so. Also see 4/92b above.
Also remember that this is a never proved claim.
192 4/94e: "- - - with Allah are profits and spoils abundant". Fight wars for Allah and get profits and spoils aplenty! Stealing/robbing, raping, enslaving, was an essential part of raids and wars for many of the warriors - and leaders. Compare this to NT and the New Covenant, and not even weeping can express the abyss between the religions. The same god?
193 4/94f: "- - - with Allah are profits and spoils abundant". One more sentence which alone proves that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and then there are all the other proofs in addition. Also: Jesus was very far from this kind of immoral.
194 4/94h: "- - - therefore carefully investigate (if they were Muslims or not)". If they were Muslims you should not kill them. If not you could do so and steal their property, rape and enslave their families, etc. Some contradiction to NT's strong: "You shall not kill". Yahweh and Allah the same god? Simply no. One more sentence which alone proves that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and then there are all the other proofs in addition. And to talk with small letters: Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion - not by many miles.
195 4/95+96b: “- - - those who strive hath Allah distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward – Ranks specially bestowed by Him (Allah*), and Forgiveness (for anything if you are killed in battle*) and Mercy.” The total and 180 degree difference from NT - in NT physical fighting is not accepted at all. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and one of those many proofs which each alone proves this.
But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but theater.)
196 4/96a: "- - - Forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive only if he exists and if he is a real god. Also see 2/187d above.
197 4/97c: "Such (non-Muslim*) men (women as normal is forgotten in the Quran*) will find their abode in Hell - - -". See 3/77b above.
198 4/99a: "- - - forgive - - -". Allah can forgive only if he exists and if he is a real god - and perhaps not even then; see 2/187d above.
199 4/99b: "- - - Allah doth blot out (sins) again and again". This he can do only if he exists and if he really is a god - there only are the words of a not much reliable man for both, and a man who had much to gain from making people believe that this claimed god existed.
200 4/100a: “He who forsakes his home in the cause of Allah - - - should he die as a refugee from home for Allah and his Messenger, his reward becomes due and sure with Allah - - -”. Even if you do not die in battle, just die in war - f.x. from illness or accident - or if he has had to flee from persecution, it seems like you go directly to Paradise. (Perhaps this also goes for refugees.) War for Allah really is valuable for Muslims - - - if the Quran tells the truth. A fact(?) any terrorist "knows" - most of them are Muslims.
201 4/100b: “He who forsakes his home in the cause of Allah - - - should he die as a refugee from home for Allah and his Messenger, his reward becomes due and sure with Allah - - -”. Too different from the Bible - there it only is your belief in the god and your life in accordance with his rules for (real) good moral which can save you in a possible next life. To suffer for Yahweh is on par with doing good deeds, but alone no guarantee for Paradise. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god.
202 4/100c: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad's standard, but never proved mantra for gluing himself to his platform of power - his god.
####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. Self-centered. Selfish? - he sometimes could be mistaken for that, too. The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more for him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.
203 4/100f: "- - - his (dead Muslim*) reward becomes due and sure with Allah - - -". This only is possible if Allah exists and if he really is a god - there only are the words of a not reliable man seeking power for both.
204 4/101a: "When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for the fear that the unbelievers may attack you: for the unbelievers are unto you open enemies". You do not find similar in the Bible - especially to Jesus and the NT unbelievers were not automatically enemies.
205 4/101c: "- - - for the unbelievers are unto you open enemies." An unmistakable message - no good basis for building trust between religions, or for integration of Muslims in non-Islamic cultures. Hate mongering simply.
206 4/103b: "- - - set up regular prayers: for such prayers are enjoined on believers on stated times". The 5 fixed prayers is one of the pillars of Islam. If Yahweh had meant the number and times of prayers were of any essence to him, he had enjoined it on the Jews and Christians. But such rules are not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. Because they are so essential in the Quran, but completely of no interest to Yahweh - he says pray when you want or need - this is one of the real strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. (And a curiosa here: If Allah has no connection to the old Jewish god Yahweh, Abraham and Ishmael and the others are not part of Islam. Well, this in case is no surprise - there are more indications for the same.)
As for prayers in Islam also see 4/43h and 4/64g above.
207 4/104a: "And slacken not in following up the enemy - - -". The religion of peace (!!). (Compare it to NT: Forgive your enemy.)
208 4/104b: "And slacken not in following up the enemy - - -". Absolutely contradicted by NT. One more of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and in addition there are all the other proofs. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
209 4/105c: “We (Allah*) have sent down to thee the Book (the Quran*) in truth, - - -”. With so many mistakes, it is without doubt that it at best can be only partly true (if not there had been no mistakes).
210 4/106a: "- - - the forgiveness of Allah - - -". Only 2 can forgive - the victim and a god. Thus Allah can forgive if he is the victim - which he never is unless he exists - or if he is a god.
As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.
211 4/107c: "- - - Allah loveth not one given to perfidy and crime". A most thought provoking sentence, as much of what the partly immoral Islamic moral code permits or even encourages, is crime or worse according to all normal moral codes and to normal moral philosophy, the essence of which is "do against others like you want others do against you", (beware here that the Quran - and Islam - has no moral or ethical philosophy, only an old and partly immoral moral code = "what did Muhammad say or do in such a situation?").
######212 4/108c: "- - - Allah doth compass round (= notice and outdo*) all that they do." ######One of the alibis for al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), deceiving, etc. in Islam - if Allah can outdo bad people, all Muslims have the permission to do the same as long as it is not prohibited - which it is not (the Quran is not teaching an absolute on honesty - even oaths can be broken).
213 4/109a: "- - - but who will contend with Allah on their (hypocrites', non-Muslims'*) behalf on the Day of Judgment - - -". None of course - they are too bad. At least if it should not happen that their belief was the right one.
214 4/111aa: "- - - he (the sinner*) earns it (sins*) against his own soul - - -". The expression "soul" is used also in the Quran, but seems to have a more diffuse meaning than in the Bible. In the Bible it is the religious and eternal part of your being - the very part which is "life" as contrast to "body", and the part which will live on after the body is dead. In the Quran is seems to represent the essence of your physical life. But then the Quran and Islam do not need anything more or anything more clearly defined, because you according to Muhammad will be resurrected in body, and then the soul is of little essence.
215 4/111b: "- - - Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom". Not if the Quran is representative for it.
216 4/113c: "But (in fact) they (non-Muslims*) will only lead their own soul astray - - -:" Because of all the wrongs in the Quran, everything there is doubtful if it is not proved, included this - at least it is no proved fact. And if they believed in Yahweh or some other perhaps existing god, there is a chance that they were not led astray, especially if Allah is a made up one, which is highly likely as the Quran with all its mistakes is from no god. Besides: What is really the definition of "the soul" in the Quran?
217 4/113f: “For Allah hath sent down to thee the Book (the Quran*) and Wisdom - - - “. As said before - f.x. in 4/105a+b+c - there is good reason for doubt as to if the Quran is sent down by a god, and no reason for doubt that much of the contents are not true - not much wisdom.
218 4/113g: "- - - (Allah has*) taught thee (Muhammad/Muslims*) what thou knewest not (before) - - -". At least someone - or he himself - has done so. The big question is if the teaching is right or wrong. At least some of it is morally highly wrong, not to mention all the wrong facts it gives.
Another big question is: If it was sent, then who sent is, as no god ever sent a book of that quality?
219 4/114aa: "- - - to him who does this (charity or justice), seeking the good pleasure of Allah - - -". Here is one of the central differences between daily life in Christianity and daily life in Islam: In the Bible charity partly is from empathy and sympathy with the one in need and partly to gain merit from Yahweh. In Islam it mainly is to gain merit from Allah. And something similar - the quest for fair justice in Christian teaching vs. the quest for merit with Allah in the Quran's teaching - when it comes to justice.
220 4/114a: "- - - We (Allah*) shall soon give a reward of the highest (value) (Paradise*)". Often claimed, never proved - and a claim any "prophet" can make on behalf of his god(s) free of charge as long as the demands for proofs can be evaded.
221 4/114b: "- - - We (Allah*) shall soon give a reward of the highest (value) (Paradise*)". But is a paradise of mainly bodily pleasures and sex the highest value?
But also remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but theater.)
222 4/115a: "If anyone contends with the Messenger (Muhammad*) even after guidance has been plainly conveyed to him (he ends in Hell*)". Disagree with Muhammad and you end in Hell! The perfect commandment for the total dictator.
223 4/115h: “We (Allah*) shall leave him (the one on a track not to Islam's Paradise) in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell”. It is mathematically sure it is not the same god as in NT - cfr. "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the lost sheep" (Matt. 18/12), "the lost son" (Luke 15/11-31), "the 11. hour" (Matt.20/8-13). (NB: This is one of the places where the translation differs a little in the last edition).
224 4/115i: “We (Allah*) shall leave him (the one on a track not to Islam's Paradise) in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell”. What if he has chosen the path to Yahweh? - Yahweh exists even according to the Quran, even though the book wrongly mixes him up with Allah.
225 4/115k: "- - - and land him (non-Muslim*) in Hell - - -". Allah can land nobody anywhere unless he exists and is a god. (Well, he easily can do it also if he is a devil.)
226 4/116a: “Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this - - -.” This in reality is identical to 4/48a-f above. See this. Also see 25/18a below.
As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.
227 4/116b: "- - - one who joins gods with Allah - - -". Non-Muslims do not join gods with Allah. They simply do not believe he exists, and believe in their own god(s). An exception may be the old Arabs, who believed in their main pagan god, al-Lah, which Muhammad claimed in reality was the only god Allah - this in case is one of the Arabisms in the Quran.
228 4/116c: "- - - one who joins gods with Allah, hath strayed far, far away (from the Right)". Only if Allah really exists and is correctly described in the Quran. Not if another god they believe in - f.x. Yahweh - really exists, and especially if Allah on top of all is a made up god - quite likely as the Quran is not from any god. Also see 2/165c and 2/255a above and 6/106b and 25/18a below.
229 4/117b: "- - - they (the Pagans*) call but upon Satan the persistent rebel". But if it is true that Satan/Iblis really is a servant or partner to Allah - Iblis running Allah's Hell or a Hell which is part of Allah's Plan (like many Muslim scholars believe, as Iblis could not have his Hell without ok from Allah if Allah is omnipotent) - is Iblis/Satan then a rebel? Not to mention if Allah just is a dressed up Iblis?
230 4/119b: "- - - I (Iblis, the Muslim Devil*) will create in them (humans*) false desires - - -". Here we are back to the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code, which permits Muslims to go for a lot of immoral desires. Study the Quran's moral code, compare it to "do against others like you want others do against you", and see for yourself.
231 4/119d: "Whoever, forsaking Allah, takes Satan for a friend - - -". The one does not necessarily implicate the other, especially if Allah just is a dressed up, non-existing pagan god (al-Lah/Allah - simply was the main Arab pagan god at that time), not to mention if Allah is from the dark forces (if. f.x. "Gabriel" was not Gabriel, but f.x. a dressed up Iblis). And especially not if there exist other real gods - f.x. Yahweh.
232 4/120a: "Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; But Satan’s promises are nothing but deception". One of the possible creators of the Quran is Satan - this even more so as all the mistakes, contradictions, etc. make it clear that it is not made by a god, and in addition parts of the Quran's moral code fit better a devil than they fit a benevolent god. If this is the truth - and all the satanic "unmoral" in the Quran after all may indicate this - this verse is very informative (but actually we personally believe that not even devils would make a book with that many errors - the only really believable creator is a (or some) human(s)). (There is one possible exception, though; if the Devil only got permission from the god for trying to cheat people into a made up religion, only on the condition that it should be easy for thinking persons to see through the trap.)
233 4/122f: "- - - to dwell therein (Paradise*) forever". 11/108c may indicate that Paradise is not forever. Muslims explains it with that the residents will be transferred to an even better place, but this is not said in the Quran. Unclear.
234 4/122g: "Allah's promise is the truth - - -." Is it? - there are too many points which are not the truth in the Quran. Also see 2/2b above. Besides there in all history and prehistory have never been one single proved case of Allah keeping a promise - many claims, but not one proved case.
235 4/122i: "- - - whose words can be truer than Allah's?". Very many, if the Quran is the kind of "truths" Allah tells, not to mention if Allah is something made up. We may also mention Yahweh. Also see 57/8a below.
####236 4/124a: "If any do deeds of righteousness - - - and have faith, they will enter Heaven - - -". Here is one of the fundamental differences between Islam and Christianity: In Islam what count is faith and good deeds. In NT the main things are faith and the belief in your god - good deeds counts, but the major point is your belief in your god and forgiveness from him.
237 4/124d: "- - - they (Muslims*) will enter Heaven - - -". If the Quran represents a god and in addition tells the full truth and only the truth.
238 4/124f: "- - - and not the least injustice shall be done to them (Muslims*)". Injustice according to the Quran's moral code, or injustice in accordance to how well they have lived after the real and fundamental moral law: "Do onto others what you want others do onto you"?
239 4/125a: "Who can do better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah - - -". Anybody if Allah does not exist - and there are at least 3 very good indications for that he is fiction: 1) Muhammad was never able to prove anything. 2) Allah has never in 1400 years given the slightest clear indication for his existence. 3) And the Quran is not from a god - no god would ever be connected to a book of that quality.
240 4/126a: "- - - to Allah belong all things in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". Often claimed, never proved - and it is one of those many claims any believer in any religion can make on behalf of his god(s) as long as he does not have to prove anything.
241 4/126d: "- - - He (Allah*) is it that encompasseth all things". We are back to the old black fact: This claim only can be true if the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth about everything. And if Allah really exists and is a major god.
242 4/127b: “They ask thy (Muhammad’s*) instruction concerning women. Say: Allah doth instruct you about them - - -”. Treat them like the Quran instructs you. The Quran has no instruction the other way round, though. Besides: Even if the Quran is not too bad against woman in some ways, in other ways the “instructions” in the Quran are such that no man would accept it for himself - - - and no human should demand that other humans have to live under conditions he will refuse himself, and especially not that his closest family - wife and daughters - should be forced to live like that. Also: In spite of what Muslims like to claim, Islam represented a step towards the worse for women most places - they refer to strict rules in Mecca, and "forget" that women most places were much freer than in Mecca. Even in Medina they were better off until Islam took over. (F.x. some of Muhammad's nearest co-workers in Medina complained about the freedom of the women there, according to Hadiths.)
243 4/129a: “Ye are never able to be fair and just between women (wives*) - - -”. This sentence is often used by Muslims as a "proof" for that polygamy (many wives) is not much used in Muslim societies. The trouble is, though, that this paragraph is a most sleeping one for men who can afford and really wants more wives. (Also serial monogamy - frequent divorces and marriages - exists. Media have reported up to more than 60 marriages for a man. Among Shi’ia Muslims also short time/fixed time marriages exists - marriage for a month, f.x. - in reality legalized prostitution often.)
244 4/130b: "- - - Allah is He that careth for all - - -". But there have not been one single case in all history or prehistory where it is proved that Allah cared for anybody at all. Not one single case - only some claims and words.
245 4/130c: "- - - Allah - - - is Wise". Perhaps - if he exists. But in any case he shows little of it in the Quran.
246 4/131a: "To Allah belong all things in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth". Often claimed, never proved. It also is one of those many claims any believer can make on behalf of his god(s), as long as he can evade the demands for proofs.
247 4/131f: “- - - We (Allah*) have directed the People of the Book before you (Muslims*) - - - to fear Allah.” Wrong - the "People of the Book" were, rightly or wrongly, directed to fear Yahweh.
248 4/131i: "- - - unto Allah belong all things in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". Often claimed, never proved. Claims are cheap.
249 4/131l: "- - - Allah is - - - worthy all praise". Read 1/1a and see if you agree.
250 4/132a: "- - - unto Allah belong all things in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". See 4/131a above.
251 4/132d: "- - - and enough is Allah to carry through all affairs". Only if he exists and only if he in addition is a god of some power, neither of which is in any way proved.
252 4/133a: “If it were His (Allah’s*) Will, He could destroy you, O mankind, and create another race; for He hath power this to do”. Well, neither he nor Islam has been able to finish off mankind yet - though Islam and Muslims have done enormous destruction through the times. If Muslims will be able to finish off mankind in the future, it hardly will be because of Allah’s wish, but because of fanatics being more “Muslim” than Allah.
253 4/133c: "- - - create another race - - -". You several places in the Quran meet the claim that Allah created or can create life, but there nowhere is proved anything (there 1 or 2 places are referred tales that he did, but nowhere firsthand witnesses), whereas if the old books - included the Quran - tell the truth on this point, Yahweh both created life (f.x. the bird from clay according to the Quran (though that is likely to be from an old legend)) and resurrected many times (f.x. 1. Kings 17/22, 2. Kings 4/34-35, Mark 5/41, John 11/44, Luke, 7/15, Matt.27/52, Acts 9/40, Act 20/40, and Jesus himself). An interesting fact.
254 4/134e: "- - - in Allah's (gift) is the reward (both) of this life and of the Hereafter - - -". Often claimed, never proved - the only thing which is really proved in the Quran, is that so much is wrong in the book, that no god has been involved in making it, and thus that something is seriously wrong with the book and with the religion - and not to mention with Muhammad.
355 4/135b: "Stand out firmly for justice - - -". This had been a good point, if it was not for the fact that the Quran's "justice" and the moral code it rests on, both often have sick rules. Compare some points in them to "do towards others like you want others do against you" and be horrified. And ethics we hardly ever even mention in connection to the Quran, as you may be have noticed.
256 4/135d: "- - - a witness to Allah - - -". But why does a presumed or at least claimed omniscient and predestining god need witnesses? This even more so as even in this very verse it is stated that Allah knows everything one does!? See 4/135f below.
257 4/135e: "- - - Allah can best protect - - -". If he if he is a god, if he sent down the Quran, and if Muhammad told the truth and only the truth about this when reciting(?) it.
258 4/135h: "- - - Allah is well acquainted with all that ye do." This cannot be written by a god; in one end of the verse he needs witnesses, and in the other end he knows everything. When you know everything you do not need witnesses - at least not unless you think people will disbelieve you. Also see 2/233h above and 35/38b below.
259 4/136b: “Believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -”. A strengthened version of Muhammad's standard, but never proved mantra for gluing himself to his platform of power - his god.
####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. Self-centered. Selfish? The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more for him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.
260 4/136i: "- - - the scripture which He (Allah*) sent to those before (him Muhammad*))". = The Bible. The Quran claims that the Bible is a falsified copy of Qurans (or really copies of claimed "Mother of the Book" (= "mother" of the Quran) Allah sent down to Jewish and Christian prophets/messengers - twins to the Quran, and that the Quran confirms the "original" Bible/scriptures. But the Bible's/NT's fundamental ideas, moral code, ethics, etc. are too different from the Quran's - it is not possible they are from the same god, not unless the god is strongly schizophrenic. (The standard Muslim "explanation" is that the Bible is falsified, but both science and Islam have thoroughly proved this is not true, by being unable to find a single proved case of falsification among the literally tens of thousands of relevant old scriptures and fragments.)
#261 4/136j: “Any who denieth Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray”. Hardly. When you know how full of mistakes, contradictions and wrong logic the book which all Islam rests on is, it takes some more - and real - proof to decide that it is the non-Muslims who are “far, far astray”. As everything in Islam rests on the Quran and on the if possible even less reliable Hadiths, the chances are that Muslims are the ones who are most astray. This even more so as all the mistakes, etc. prove that no god was involved in the delivery of the Quran, and that nothing - absolutely nothing - ever was proved about the existence of Allah or about Muhammad's connection to a god. In all other aspects of life blind belief is the easiest way to be cheated - and it is normal for false prophets (there have been many through the times) to rely on fast talk, bluffs and demands for blind belief.
262 4/136l: "- - - His (Allah's*) Books - - -". It is heresy and slander and an insult against a god to claim he has made a book so hopelessly full of mistakes, contradictions, invalid logic, unclear language, etc. like the Quran.
263 4/136m: "- - - His (Allah's*) Books - - -". The plural here indicates that Allah also is behind the Jewish scriptures and NT, a claim which only can - can - be correct if the god is strongly mentally ill (schizophrenic), as the fundamental differences compared to the Quran are too many and too deep, especially if you compare to NT and its New Covenant (f.x. Luke 22/20).
264 4/136n: "- - - His (Allah's*) Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - -". There is nowhere any proof for that Muhammad was the representative of a god. He was frequently asked for proofs, but was unable to deliver anything but fast-talk to explain it away - the mark of a deceiver? Also see 63/5a below.
265 4/136o: "- - - His (Allah's*) Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - -". There in reality is known only one claimed messenger for Allah: Muhammad. All the other claimed ones just are not proved - and highly unlikely - claims.
266 4/137aa: "Those who believe, then reject Faith (Islam*) - - -". You meet Muslims claiming Islam is such a good religion that nobody leaves it (it costs - sometimes even your life - to leave Islam, so better stay even if you do not believe). Here is a proof for that even at that time people left the religion.
257 4/137c: "- - - Allah will not forgive - - -". Only 2 can forgive: The victim and a god. Thus Allah cannot forgive unless he is a god - and of course not unless he exists. But perhaps he not even then can forgive - see 2/187d above.
268 4/137d: "- - - Allah will not - - - guide - - -". Allah cannot guide unless he exists.
269 4/139a: “Yea, to those who take for friends Unbelievers rather than Believers (you will not get honor from Allah*)” You are permitted to have non-Muslims as friends - in the real world it is impossible to prohibit it - but not close friends. Beware of possibility of social extrication and of punishment from Allah if you "sin" against this.
270 4/139b: "- - - all honor is with Allah." May be correct - but only if Allah exists and is a god - and only if he in addition is reasonably correctly described in the Quran. And NB: Only if there is no other god.
271 4/140b: "- - - when ye hear the Signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them - - -". Abrogated by being made much harsher by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/38, 3/85, 3/148, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 8/12, 8/38, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many bloody threats, but also verses advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 28 abrogations).
272 4/140d: "For Allah will collect the Hypocrites and all those who defy Faith - in Hell". Often claimed, never proved. It is not even proved that Allah exists or that he has the power for doing this.
273 4/143a: "Whom Allah leaves straying - - -". Jesus in NT: "Search for the lost sheep." Different gods, different religions, different lines of prophets (in addition to that Muhammad did not have the gift of prophesying - he in reality was no prophet, but just "borrowed" that imposing and impressive title).
274 4/146c: "And soon will Allah grant the believers a reward of immense value". Not possible unless Allah really exists and is a major god.
###275 4/148a: "What can Allah gain by your punishment, if ye are grateful and ye believe?" Yes, that is one of the big mystery if it is true like the Quran claims many places, that Allah predestines everything, included everything every human say and do, and all the same he predestine that many will have to live a life sending them to Hell.
But perhaps he not even then can forgive - see 2/187d above.
276 4/149d: "- - - Allah doth blot out (sins) - - -". This only is possible if he exists and is a real god. And if he makes changes to his Plan.
277 4/149e: "- - - Allah - - - hath power (in the judgment of values)". If Allah is behind the moral and hardly existing ethical codes in the Quran, the book proves this claim wrong.
278 4/150c: "- - - Allah and His Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - -". This is a variety of Muhammad's main mantra to glue himself to the god - at the same time his platform of power; Self-centered. Selfish? In this case he also claim to belong to the (Jewish) line of messengers/prophets, which is wrong because both his messages and his teaching differ too much from the prophets in that line, included Jesus.
279 4/152a: "- - - Allah and His Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - -". A version of Muhammad's standard, but never proved mantra for gluing himself to his platform of power - his god. Self-centered. Selfish?
280 4/152d: "- - - make no distinction between any of the Messengers". In spite of 4/152c just above, this may be meant to single out Jews and Christians, who did not believe in Muhammad, and thus according to the Quran made distinctions between the claimed messengers. Unclear point. Also see 4/152e just below.
281 4/155a: "- - - signs of Allah - - -". There are no signs specific for Allah in the entire Quran or anywhere else. There hardly is one single one proving a god in the Quran (with the possible exceptions of the samples "borrowed" from the Bible, and they in case prove Yahweh, not Allah), and if there is, any priest in any religion can claim it as easily for his god(s), as long as Islam does not prove it really was Allah who was behind it (there may be exceptions for the stories borrowed from the Bible, but they in case prove Yahweh). Loose words and loose claims are very cheap, but proves nothing.
282 4/155c: "- - - Allah hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy - - -." Compare this to "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10),"the lost sheep" (Matt. 18/12-14), "the lost son" (Luke 15/11-31), and "the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8-13)in NT: Two very different gods.
#283 4/156c: “- - - they uttered against Mary a grave false charge (that Jesus was crucified and dead*)”. There were so many witnesses, included many who knew Jesus well (f.x. Matt.27/54, Mark 15/40, John 19/25), and included so many who hated him and definitely had made revolt if he was not executed – the Jewish clergy was powerful - that this charge was definitely not false. If Islam says something else, they will have to provide good proofs, not only bring forth lofty statements taken out of thin air 600 years later. Because that is all the Quran has got to offer: A few lofty statements backed by nothing - no proofs and not even an indicium indicating that all those witnesses - and the rulers and the hateful Jewish clergy - were wrong. Words are very cheap - - - and the only fact Islam can produce is that neither Muhammad nor Islam can accept that Jesus died and was resurrected - in that case he clearly was a greater prophet and/or had closer connections to the god than Muhammad - or were slightly divine - and that is taboo for Muslims. It simply is unacceptable for them.
284 4/157e: "- - - the son of Mary - - -". See 5/110a below.
285 4/157f: "We killed Christ Jesus - - - the Messenger of Allah - - -". Wrong. For one thing not even his worst enemies claimed Jesus was a prophet of Allah (or al-Lah) - the pagan god al-Lah "lived" in the not too distant Arabia, and not one soul in Jerusalem thought about al-Lah there and then. But neither did they call him a prophet or messenger of Yahweh - the reason why they killed him was just that it was claimed, and many believed, he was a false prophet just claiming to be a prophet for Yahweh, directly opposing of what the Quran here tells they said.
#286 4/157g: “- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear for them - - -”. See 4/156c above. In addition to what is said in 4/156c: If no one else made sure that it was no impostor and that the correct killing really took place, the angry and spiteful Jewish clergy and scholars would see to that. This claim is made up by someone that could not accept that Muhammad was not the greatest prophet (even though Muhammad in reality was not really a prophet – he did not have the gift of being able to make prophesies - an interesting fact here is that 19/19 tells Jesus was holy, whereas Muhammad according to the Quran clearly "was just an ordinary man"), and who did not know the political and religious situation in Israel at that time. If Islam wants to say something else, they will have a lot of explanation and proving to do - this even more so as the Quran always demands proofs for what non-Muslims say about their religion, and thus confirms that proofs are essential, but the Quran and Islam NEVER themselves offer any real proofs for Islam or Allah or for Muhammad's connection to a god. In spite of all the “signs” it boasts of, not one single of those “signs” - with the possible exception of some taken from the Bible - proves any god at all, and definitely not one single one proves anything about Allah or the teachings of Muhammad. Words are very cheap, and there is not one single of those “signs” which cannot as well and as easy be used by priests or believers or "prophets" of all other religions: Manito did this, Thor did that, Kali made something, Osiris something else, Baal created the Earth, and al-Uzza is great. Islam always only claims that Allah did this and this and that this is a “sign” or a “proof” for Allah. But they NEVER prove that it really was Allah who did this and this. Because of that each and every such “sign” and “proof” are intuitively and logically and even judicially invalid as an indication or a proof – and for the same reason any priest in any religion can say exactly the same valueless words about his god(s). The claims are totally invalid as indications or indicia, not to mention as proofs. There is not one single valid proof for Allah or for the teachings of Muhammad anywhere - - - or for the undocumented claim that Jesus was not crucified and died. Similar claims f.x. in 4/156c as mentioned (above).
No matter – it is reckoned as a fact that Jesus really was a historical person . He was heard and seen by so many after his death and resurrection, that it is possible also this part of the story may be true – that he really existed after his execution. (He also is mentioned by the old writers Josephus Flavius, Tacitus, Suetonius, and Plinius the younger - just mentioned, but mentioned.)
But he was never heard or seen after his final farewell to his disciples.
####And actually: Whether he died and was resurrected like told in the Bible, or he was miraculously saved and taken up to Heaven alive like claimed in the Quran, it very clearly indicates a much closer connection to the god than what Muhammad had. This even more so if the Quran is a completely or partly made up book and Muhammad a cheat.
##287 4/157h: (YA 663):"- - - nor crucified him - - -." We quote from the book "The Meaning of the Holy Quran" one of the "heavy" ones in Islam - comment 663: "The Gospel of St. Barnabas supported the theory of substitution (another man than Jesus was crucified*) on the Cross". This is one of Islam's pet claims for explanation of the claim that Jesus was not crucified, this in spite of that nothing neither in the Quran, nor in Hadiths indicates anything like this. But we must admit we reacted when we saw the so called "Gospel of Barnabas" used as a documentation for this claim in a book told by Islam to be of high quality - "The Gospel of Barnabas" is a well known apocryphal and made up scripture. Now many of these made up scriptures were made by fringe semi-Christian sects in the old times. But this one most likely is not even one of them. It is likely it is written by Islam - most likely one of the many falsifications which were made in Spain around 800 - 900 AD during its Muslim period, to "prove" pet Muslim theories or to cheat people. But it also is a possibility that it was made in Baghdad at the court of the caliph - #####remember that Muslims are not only permitted to lie (al-Taqiyya, Kitman, etc.) when defending or forwarding Islam, but are told to lie "if necessary" if that gives a better result. That this "Gospel" is a falsification is so well known, that there is no chance Yusuf Ali did not know this. The use of this well known falsification tells quantities about how reliable even presumed high quality Islamic religious literature sometimes is - or not is. It also tells mountains about lack of true facts and arguments - or total lack of such (no sane person uses arguments he knows are faked, if he has true arguments). And not least: It tells something about even top Muslim scholars. Honestly we had preferred not to meet things like this - there are more than enough facts which document that something is wrong in the Quran, so we did not need this al-Taqiyya. It makes the Islamic religion so dirty and "small" - we had preferred honest mistakes. And the sad thing is: It is not the only time we have met this kind of debate from Muslims.
To repeat the final point: ########The use of known falsifications prove that Islam has no honest arguments and no real proofs for their claim - if they had, they had not been forced to use known falsifications as a last resort as "proofs".
288 4/157j: "- - - those who differ therein (believe that Jesus was crucified*) are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow - - -". Good propaganda if the listeners were naive enough or eager enough to believe what they wanted to hear - but wrong information (no Christian believer believe this point, but Muslims HAVE to believe it, because if not, Muhammad was not the greatest of prophets, and Islam likely wrong).
289 4/157k: "- - - for a surety they (the Jews*) killed him (Jesus*) not - - -". This is one of the strong claims in the Quran (if Jesus was killed and resurrected he clearly was something much more special than Muhammad), but like all his other central claims it only is a claim. Muhammad never was able to prove any - any - of his central claims. They just are words from an ambitious man with a doubtful moral. At least it is wrong that they for a surety did not kill Jesus.
290 4/158b: (YA664): “Nay, Allah raised him (Jesus*) up unto Himself - - -“. There is difference among Muslims what this exactly means: Was Jesus raised up to heaven bodily and never died? Or did he die later than the crucifixion Islam denies and spared the indignities the Jews intended for him? Muslims will give you different answers, because the text is not clear - but it is clear that the god somehow was involved even according to the Quran. (But none we have ever met has given a clear answer to where Jesus disappeared if he lived on on Earth – a person like Jesus would have left traces no matter where he fled – if he fled, which he absolutely did not do according to the Bible).
What is for sure is for one thing that a person like Jesus could not disappear anywhere - he was too special a personality. And for another: If he was taken up to Heaven alive - which is the most often met explanation - or in other ways activated on by a god, that is just a good proof for the involvement of something supernatural - a god - as resurrection. And thus a clear indication for that Jesus was something much more than the self proclaimed, never proved messenger and prophet Muhammad.
291 4/159b: (YA665): “And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him (the claimed Muslim prophet Jesus*) before his death - - -.” This seems to refer to a claim that in the moment of death the dying person discovers that Islam is the right religion. As normal for Islam the claim is never proved. This is not from the Bible - and definitely not from science. Believe it if you want - science has found nothing like this, not even by persons who have been clinically dead and totally unconscious, but in some way or other have come back to life.
292 4/159e: "- - - on the Day of Judgment he (Jesus*) will be a witness against them (sinners*) - - -". Why does an omniscient god need witnesses? Especially if he predestines everything?
293 4/160b: "- - - they (the Jews*) hindered many from Allah's Way - - -". Two never documented claims: They hindered people from finding their god, and this god was Allah. It is highly likely that both claims are wrong, as it is contradicted by the only existing source, the Bible, and made highly suspect by the fact that all the errors in the Quran make that book most unreliable. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
294 4/161a: "(A reason for forbidden food in the Laws of Moses, is among others:*) That they (Jews') took usury - - -". At this time the Jews had been slaves in Egypt for a long time - some hundreds of years. Few slaves have money or valuables to lend against usury. Also there is no hint about such a reason in the Bible. This "reason" is a made up one or at least a not documented one.
295 4/162e: "- - - what (the Quran*) hath been revealed to thee (Muhammad*) - - -". The stories Muhammad told were from no god - too many mistakes, contradictions, etc. - - - and mainly repeated known legends, fairy tales, made up "Biblical" stories, etc.
296 4/162i: "- - - regular prayers - - -". 5 prayers a day: One of the pillars for Allah and Islam, of no interest for Yahweh in the Bible. One of the so essential and deep differences between the two books that it alone prove that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god - and then there are all the other proofs in addition.
297 4/162m: "- - - a great reward". Muhammad's and Islam's paradise - see 10/9f below.
298 4/163b: "We (Allah*) have sent thee (Muhammad*) inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him - - -". As Muhammad claimed he got much of the Quran by inspiration, it was good psychology to claim also earlier prophets got messages from the god the same way - it "documented" that Muhammad was a prophet like the older ones. This in spite of that the alternative "inspiration" is never mentioned in the Bible.
299 4/163c: "- - - Noah and the Messengers after him - - -". Muhammad claimed there to all times and all places had been messengers/prophets from Allah teaching Islam - included the Biblical prophets and other Biblical persons which all are claimed to have been good Muslims. Hadiths mention the number 124ooo through the times. Neither science nor Islam has been able to find a single documented trace of Islam older than 610 AD when Muhammad started his mission. Also neither science nor Islam has ever found a trace of relevant messengers/prophets. (Just to mention it: As both science and Islam have proved beyond any reasonable and unreasonable doubt that the Bible is not falsified - neither has found one single documented falsification among the some 44ooo relevant scriptures and fragments - it is clear that the Biblical prophets are irrelevant here, as they believed in Yahweh, the old Jewish and Christian god who in spite of strong, but as normal for Muslims never documented claims, is not identical to Allah, as the teachings and the fundamental elements of the religions are too different.)
######An interesting mathematical fact: If we operate with a normal religious time frame, Adam lived something like 5ooo years before the claimed last prophet, Muhammad. If we say that Hadiths' number 124ooo had been correct, and that each of them worked for 25 years, there all the time from Adam till Muhammad should be on average 620 active prophets working for Allah around the world all the time (some 3 in every country during all those thousands of years). None of them (except the old Jewish ones - really working for Yahweh) left one single trace anywhere on the entire Earth. Even if you reckon the entire age of Homo Sapiens - 160ooo-200ooo years - there in case during all these eons have been 15-20 prophets working all the time. But no trace from them or a religion like Islam, a god like Allah - or a book like the Quran.
Believe it if you are able to.
300 4/163e: "- - - We (Allah*) sent it (messages by inspiration*) to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the (12 Jewish*) Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and to Solomon - - -". As Muhammad claimed he received his verses from Allah by inspiration, it was essential to "prove" that this was a normal way for prophets to receive information from the god. And NB: He used these claimed Muslim prophets as proofs for that "inspiration" was a normal way of communication. The word "inspiration" is not used anywhere in the Bible in such connections. Also it is nowhere in the Bible mentioned that Ishmael had a close enough connection to Yahweh to be a prophet.
301 4/165aa: "Messengers (4/163 and 4/164 show here is meant old Jewish prophets*) who gave good news, as well as warning that mankind - - -". The old Jewish prophets mainly spoke to and about Jews and sometimes neighboring people, not to mankind as such.
302 4/166a: "But Allah beareth witness that what He hath sent (the Quran*) onto thee (Muhammad)- - -". No god has ever sent a book with that many mistakes, contradictions, etc.
Besides: Muhammad here claimed that Allah witnesses. But it only is a claim. There is no kind of witness to this, and no kind of valid witness from Allah - only words from a man accepting and using dishonesty as working tools (al-Taqiyya, Kitman, Hilah, deceit, betrayal, disuse/breaking of even oaths), and likening respect, power and riches for bribes for more power - and women. One has to be pretty naive to believe that such a man could not also cheat his followers a little - - - or a lot.
303 4/166d: "- - - the angels bear witness - - -". Why does an omniscient, predestining god need witnesses?
304 4/166e: "- - - enough is Allah for a witness". Only if he exists and in addition is reliable in spite of the Quran's and Islam's points of view concerning al-Taqiyya (lawful lies), Kitman (lawful half-truths), Hilah (lawful pretending/circumventing), deception ("war is deceit" - and everything is war), broken words/oaths (f.x. 2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2), etc.
305 4/167f: "- - - strayed - - -". Who have strayed if the Quran is a made up book? - and at least it is not from a god with all its mistakes, etc.
306 4/168d: "- - - Allah will not forgive - - -". Allah simply cannot forgive unless he exists and in addition is a god, neither of which is proved. Muhammad was not able to prove anything at all concerning central points in his new religion. Claims based on nothing is a hallmark of cheats, swindlers and deceivers - was Muhammad a such one?
As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.
307 4/168-169: "- - - Allah will not - - - guide them (non-Muslims*) to any way - Except the way to Hell - - -". Compare this to f.x. "search for the lost sheep" in NT. Definitely not the same god.
308 4/169b: "- - - to dwell therein (Hell*) forever". But there are verses in the Quran which may indicate that Hell is not quite forever - at least not for Muslims who all the same ended in Hell. Unclear. See 6/128c, 11/107b, 43/74b-c, 78/23, below (plus some Hadiths). (One verse - 11/108c - may even indicate that also Paradise may once come to an end).
#309 4/170d: “The Messenger (= Muhammad*) hath come to you in truth from Allah: - - -”. With so many mistaken facts in Mohammad’s tales (the Quran), it is impossible he really got the surahs and verses from a god, at least not from an omniscient god. Also see 13/1g and 40/75 below.
310 4/170f: "- - - believe in him (Muhammad*): it is best for you." This only is true if the Quran is true, and it contains so much which is wrong that it maximum can be partly true.
311 4/170i: "- - - to Allah belongs all things in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". Often claimed, never proved.
312 4/170l: "- - - Allah is All-knowing, All-wise". Not if he made the Quran - too much is wrong in that book.
313 4/171b: "- - - nor say of Allah aught but the truth - - -". Another hint to the claim that Jews and Christians had falsified the Bible (impossible to be true for MANY reasons, but it was Muhammad's only possible explanation for the differences between his teaching and the real Bible".
314 4/171c: "- - - nor say of Allah aught but the truth - - -". But there is a good chance that that was just what the Jews did - said the truth about Allah, revealing that something was seriously wrong with Muhammad's new religion.
315 4/171e: “- - - Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, was (no more than) a Messenger- - -.” Well, he frequently called Yahweh (the Jewish and Christian god) his father - the word is used for Yahweh in the relationship between Yahweh and Jesus at least 204 times in the Bible, and the word "son" at least 89 times, many of those times by Jesus himself - and Jesus was reliable also according to the Quran (and remember: Neither science nor Islam has been able to find one single falsification in the Bible - lots of claims from Islam, but not one documented case (just guess how loudly Islam had screamed about it, if they had ever found one!)).
It also is a fact that 19/19 tells Jesus was holy - Muhammad was not, even according to clear statements in the Quran.
316 4/171f: "- - - Christ Jesus - - -". Wrong. "Christ" was not part of his name - it was a title given him after his death - it is the Greek version of the Hebrew title Messiah, which means the anointed one. The word Messiah was sporadically mentioned during his lifetime, but not Christ, which only emerged some years after his death and resurrection. Unknown to Muhammad, but known to any god - then who made the Quran?
317 4/171h: “Christ Jesus was - - - a Messenger of Allah - - -”. Islam will have to prove this, as he definitely was no messenger of Allah but for Yahweh in case - for explanations about this see 3/51a above.
318 4/171i: “Christ Jesus was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah - - -”. Muhammad could not afford that Jesus was anything more than a normal prophet - in that case he himself impossible could be the greatest.
319 4/171n: "- - - so believe in Allah and His Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - -". A strengthened version of Muhammad's standard, but never proved mantra for gluing himself to his god and his platform of power; Self-centered. Selfish? - he certainly could look so sometimes.
320 4/171s: “- - - (far Exalted is He (Allah*)) above having a son”. If the Quran here talks only about Allah, that may be correct. But if it talks about an Allah identical to Yahweh, we have to remind Muslims of the fact that Jesus many times and in front of many witnesses called Yahweh his father – the word “father” as a statement of the relationship between Jesus and Yahweh is used at least 204 times in the NT according to our latest leafing through it, and the word “son” at least 89 times, many of those times by Jesus himself. And even the Quran agrees to that Jesus was reliable. And we remind you that in spite of what Islam and the Quran claim without any documentation about falsifications of the Bible, science clearly has documented that those never proved claims are not correct. Islam has given even stronger proofs for this by being unable to find one single proved falsification in all the literally tens of thousands of relevant old manuscripts or fragments.
Besides; what do humans know about what a god wishes? - f.x. about some company?
321 4/171t: "To Him (Allah*) belong all things in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth". Often claimed, never proved - - - and a claim any believer in any religion can make on behalf of his god(s) as long as no proof is required - words are that cheap.
322 4/172a: “Christ disdaineth not to serve and worship Allah.” In 3/51a is implicated the explanation why this is wrong. The only possible exception is if Yahweh and Allah really were the same god. But only Islam states that, and the teachings of Yahweh (especially in NT and the New Covenant – f.x. Luke 22/20) are so different at so many essential points from the teachings of Allah, that they cannot be the same god unless he is mentally ill (schizophrenic). Islam will in case have to prove what they say, not only to claim it.
323 4/172b: “Christ disdaineth not to serve and worship Allah.” Strongly contradicted by the Bible, which says Jesus' god was Yahweh. It also is totally contradicted by the science of history, which flatly says there was no god like Allah, no book like the Quran, and no religion similar to Islam in what is now Israel or anywhere else in the Roman Empire (we are now deep inside the times of written history in those areas) or anywhere else in the world. There is no kind of even an indication for a god like Allah, a religion like Islam, or a book similar to the Quran neither in the Bible nor anywhere else in the entire world, older than 610 AD. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
324 4/172e: "- - - He (Allah*) will gather them (non-Muslims*) all together unto Himself to (answer (and to punishment*))". See 3/77b above.
325 4/173d: "- - - (due) reward - - -". The Quran's and Islam's paradise - see 10/9f below.
326 4/173g: "- - - nor will they find , beside Allah, any to protect or help them". Well, if they are Jews or Christians may be there is Yahweh.
327 4/174b: “- - - there hath come to you (mankind*) a convincing proof (the Quran*) - - -“. With that many mistakes, contradictions, etc., and so much wrong logic, etc., etc. the Quran is not very convincing, and its “proofs”/”signs” are no more convincing - see 2/39b above.
The one who is finding "a convincing (and valid*) proof" in a book like the Quran, has no training in critical thinking or in the laws of logic - and very little rational knowledge.
328 4/174f: "- - - a light (the Quran*) (that is) manifest." What is absolutely manifest is that a book with that much wrong and with such a detestable pre-medieval moral - or immoral - code, is no light for anyone. NB: Some Muslims claim the "light" is Muhammad. To call a man with a morality like the real historical Muhammad a "light" for people, is a bit too far from realism.
329 4/175b: "- - - soon He (Allah*) will admit them (good Muslims*) to (Paradise*) - - -". If he existed. If he is a god. If he is behind the texts in the Quran. And if the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth.
330 4/175c: "- - - Mercy and Grace from Himself (Allah*) - - -". See 1/1a above and see if you agree.
331 4/175d: "- - - guide them (Muslims*) to Himself (Allah*) - - -". A guide like the Quran can guide no-one to something good - too much is wrong in that book.
332 4/175e: "- - - a straight Way". The claimed road to the Quran's and Islam's claimed paradise - see 10/9f below.
333 4/176c: "- - - (his (Allah's*) law) - - -". But is it Allah's law when the Quran is not from any god, included the possible Allah? - no god is involved in a book of that quality.
334 4/176d: “And Allah hath the knowledge of all things”. Obviously not in this case, too. F.x.: Given the right combination of inheritors, their shares add up to 125% or even 150% of the inheritance (this has given lawyers and lawmakers much work – and at least the lawyers much money - through the times.)
929 + 334 = 1263 remarks.
Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".
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This work was upload with assistance of M. A. Khan, editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery".